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Post by snakecharmer on Oct 29, 2023 22:35:35 GMT
Sorry that's threefold !
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Post by saintjiub on Oct 29, 2023 23:05:42 GMT
Huh ... you were just commenting on the Queen rumor mill, and how archive releases take a back seat to the tour?
As far as I can tell you were on topic.
Maybe in March, after Brian & Roger have somewhat recovered from the tour, maybe the rumor mill can start again ...
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Post by donovan on Oct 30, 2023 1:09:54 GMT
I think the problem is two fold Brian is a perfectionist with any releases and they are busy touring and I just don't think they can be bothered ! The man put out three box sets of his own solo material over three years, so it's not like his perfectionism is the Aswan dam holding up the Nile. The REAL problem is that some fan priorities don't like up with his. I'd rather he was happy and enjoying life on his own choices.
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Post by agkelly on Oct 30, 2023 13:01:47 GMT
I don't know where (or even 'if') I've heard this, but I think I've read years ago that it is, in fact, Roger that poo-poos product ideas more than Brian. That he's the harder one to get things okayed by.
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Post by august on Nov 3, 2023 10:37:03 GMT
Brenski wrote: ...and if there's [not quite] enough material to justify a boxset, what about a combined II/SHA package?Now THAT would make perfect sense to me, since SHA and QII are my favourite Queen albums. Ted
The idea of II/SHA box is very intriguing, as those are very creative albums (II being my favourite by them) and we don't have much demoes or alternative takes from that era. But would we get anything new/interesting? I fear the box would end up looking something like:
Disc 1: II (original album) Disc 2: SHA (original album) Disc 3: II (Instrumentals) Disc 4: SHA (Instrumentals) Disc 5: (Live At The Rainbow '74 -March gig, II tour)
Disc 6: (Live At The Rainbow '74 -November gig, SHA tour) Disc 7: BBC Sessions ((II & SHA songs)) Disc 8: DVD/Blueray (Live At The Rainbow + maybe some TOTP appearances as bonus
That's enough material for a box set.
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Post by Egietje on Nov 3, 2023 10:57:28 GMT
The idea of II/SHA box is very intriguing, as those are very creative albums (II being my favourite by them) and we don't have much demoes or alternative takes from that era. But would we get anything new/interesting?
I think they have enough material from that time period to make an alternate takes cd for both albums, given the (instrumental) takes that they've shown during conventions. Edit: or perhaps even new mixes of the albums, although I don't think they'd go that far given QPL's track record.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Nov 3, 2023 11:04:37 GMT
Brenski wrote: ...and if there's [not quite] enough material to justify a boxset, what about a combined II/SHA package?Now THAT would make perfect sense to me, since SHA and QII are my favourite Queen albums. Ted
The idea of II/SHA box is very intriguing, as those are very creative albums (II being my favourite by them) and we don't have much demoes or alternative takes from that era. But would we get anything new/interesting? I fear the box would end up looking something like:
Disc 1: II (original album) Disc 2: SHA (original album) Disc 3: II (Instrumentals) Disc 4: SHA (Instrumentals) Disc 5: (Live At The Rainbow '74 -March gig, II tour)
Disc 6: (Live At The Rainbow '74 -November gig, SHA tour) Disc 7: BBC Sessions ((II & SHA songs)) Disc 8: DVD/Blueray (Live At The Rainbow + maybe some TOTP appearances as bonus
That's enough material for a box set.
Most of that has already been released though, hasn't it? I wouldn't spend what they charge for a box set just for a couple of CDs of instrumentals. We can get those from Brian's Wig!
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Post by Dimitris on Nov 3, 2023 13:48:48 GMT
I did some observations to Universal music group, over the last 2-3 years via its record companies , (polydor, emi), there are releases from their legacy artists -bands. The who, Abba, Queen(The miracle, FIA), Rolling stones and The Beatles.
I believe that in the next two years EMI is going to release something from Queen, which I don't think is going to be something without a good small suprise for the die hard fans.
Queen usually follow up what Beatles do (in a way). Vinyl boxsets , remasters etc.
Maybe Queen will use AI technology to surpass technical problems.
I don't know how long and when their contract expires, the first was for three years, then in 2013-14 it was renewed.
The miracle box was a good release missing some circulated demos, edits etc while FIA could have been done way better, nevertheless it was something quite good.
I am not very optimistic, what I am saying is that the record company wants to make profit from the vaults.
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Post by ted on Nov 3, 2023 14:15:30 GMT
Brenski wrote: ...and if there's [not quite] enough material to justify a boxset, what about a combined II/SHA package?Now THAT would make perfect sense to me, since SHA and QII are my favourite Queen albums. Ted
The idea of II/SHA box is very intriguing, as those are very creative albums (II being my favourite by them) and we don't have much demoes or alternative takes from that era. But would we get anything new/interesting? I fear the box would end up looking something like:
Disc 1: II (original album) Disc 2: SHA (original album) Disc 3: II (Instrumentals) Disc 4: SHA (Instrumentals) Disc 5: (Live At The Rainbow '74 -March gig, II tour)
Disc 6: (Live At The Rainbow '74 -November gig, SHA tour) Disc 7: BBC Sessions ((II & SHA songs)) Disc 8: DVD/Blueray (Live At The Rainbow + maybe some TOTP appearances as bonus
That's enough material for a box set.
Lord Fickle wrote: Most of that has already been released though, hasn't it? I wouldn't spend what they charge for a box set just for a couple of CDs of instrumentals. We can get those from Brian's Wig!
Alternate instrumental takes *might* be interesting but I'd prefer alternate takes w/vocals. I already have the Live at The Rainbow '74 DVD but not the BBC Sessions containing songs from II and SHA. A DVD with previously unreleased footage from the Eras of those 2 albums would be good.
So yes, concentrating on unreleased material would be best.
Ted
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Post by Lord Fickle on Nov 3, 2023 14:27:40 GMT
I did some observations to Universal music group, over the last 2-3 years via its record companies , (polydor, emi), there are releases from their legacy artists -bands. The who, Abba, Queen(The miracle, FIA), Rolling stones and The Beatles. I believe that in the next two years EMI is going to release something from Queen, which I don't think is going to be something without a good small suprise for the die hard fans. Queen usually follow up what Beatles do (in a way). Vinyl boxsets , remasters etc. Maybe Queen will use AI technology to surpass technical problems. I don't know how long and when their contract expires, the first was for three years, then in 2013-14 it was renewed. The miracle box was a good release missing some circulated demos, edits etc while FIA could have been done way better, nevertheless it was something quite good. I am not very optimistic, what I am saying is that the record company wants to make profit from the vaults. The bottom line with QPL is that they'll only release something that doesn't take an awful lot of work to compile, and that they can charge a premium price for.
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Post by Dimitris on Nov 3, 2023 15:04:04 GMT
I did some observations to Universal music group, over the last 2-3 years via its record companies , (polydor, emi), there are releases from their legacy artists -bands. The who, Abba, Queen(The miracle, FIA), Rolling stones and The Beatles. I believe that in the next two years EMI is going to release something from Queen, which I don't think is going to be something without a good small suprise for the die hard fans. Queen usually follow up what Beatles do (in a way). Vinyl boxsets , remasters etc. Maybe Queen will use AI technology to surpass technical problems. I don't know how long and when their contract expires, the first was for three years, then in 2013-14 it was renewed. The miracle box was a good release missing some circulated demos, edits etc while FIA could have been done way better, nevertheless it was something quite good. I am not very optimistic, what I am saying is that the record company wants to make profit from the vaults. The bottom line with QPL is that they'll only release something that doesn't take an awful lot of work to compile, and that they can charge a premium price for. Yes indeed, I was wondering if Queen and compwny decide to re-re-release their studio album remixed...by using AI to fix some engineering issues in first album, jazz etc. How many different vinyl formats, limited editions etc will overcharge us.
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Post by macduff77 on Nov 10, 2023 16:39:54 GMT
With the release of the “Machines” digital single today, are we moving towards a 2024 The Works box set after all…?
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Post by Golden Salmon on Nov 10, 2023 17:40:10 GMT
With the release of the “Machines” digital single today, are we moving towards a 2024 The Works box set after all…? Pretty sure that QPL will release "The Works" 40th anniversary boxset in 2027!
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Post by poxqboard on Nov 10, 2023 21:21:11 GMT
I just listened Machines in hi-res 24 bit 96Khz quality on Qobuz, sounds damn good! I think that this quality release suggest QP is working on masters for a hq boxset as did with The Miracle. Could be possible A Kind Of Magic as well because of the new Highlander movie require for sure a high quality soundtrack to be released. What do you think?
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Post by JackG on Nov 11, 2023 8:33:01 GMT
I just listened Machines in hi-res 24 bit 96Khz quality on Qobuz, sounds damn good! I think that this quality release suggest QP is working on masters for a hq boxset as did with The Miracle. Could be possible A Kind Of Magic as well because of the new Highlander movie require for sure a high quality soundtrack to be released. What do you think? The 24/96 mix was released in 2011 for the SHM SACD releases in Japan, so it's nothing new
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Post by poxqboard on Nov 11, 2023 9:56:06 GMT
Weren't they all 24/48??
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Post by manymilesaway on Nov 11, 2023 21:19:03 GMT
The bottom line with QPL is that they'll only release something that doesn't take an awful lot of work to compile, and that they can charge a premium price for. Yes indeed, I was wondering if Queen and compwny decide to re-re-release their studio album remixed...by using AI to fix some engineering issues in first album, jazz etc. How many different vinyl formats, limited editions etc will overcharge us. With multitracks, they wouldn't need AI for any of that. You don't even need AI WITHOUT multitracks, tbh. There's so much more you can do to remaster audio than feeding it through an AI.
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Post by manymilesaway on Nov 11, 2023 21:47:26 GMT
What I really wish (keyword being WISH) is for Queen to do a series inspired by The Beatles Get Back. They obviously don't have anywhere close to as much footage as what was filmed for Let It Be, but the footage that Bob Harris shot for the News Of The World tour would be perfect. A shorter series than Get Back, but would still be a great watch.
Footage of the band recording the BBC versions of the NOTW album, footage of the band rehearsing and mixing We Are The Champions, up close footage of Queen rehearsing their live show at Shepperton Studios, discussing their setlists, crafting the transitions of the medley, etc., great backstage and soundcheck footage of the actual tour, and the interviews would be a great treat as well.
Brian doesn't even realize that they've got this footage; he posted a little piece of it on his Instagram gushing over it and asking where it came from.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Nov 11, 2023 22:47:17 GMT
What I really wish (keyword being WISH) is for Queen to do a series inspired by The Beatles Get Back. They obviously don't have anywhere close to as much footage as what was filmed for Let It Be, but the footage that Bob Harris shot for the News Of The World tour would be perfect. A shorter series than Get Back, but would still be a great watch. Footage of the band recording the BBC versions of the NOTW album, footage of the band rehearsing and mixing We Are The Champions, up close footage of Queen rehearsing their live show at Shepperton Studios, discussing their setlists, crafting the transitions of the medley, etc., great backstage and soundcheck footage of the actual tour, and the interviews would be a great treat as well. Brian doesn't even realize that they've got this footage; he posted a little piece of it on his Instagram gushing over it and asking where it came from. but much of the BBC's tapes were wiped and reused - as per their policy at that time. i would venture that there won;t be much more survived than has already been seen.
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Post by manymilesaway on Nov 11, 2023 22:53:23 GMT
What I really wish (keyword being WISH) is for Queen to do a series inspired by The Beatles Get Back. They obviously don't have anywhere close to as much footage as what was filmed for Let It Be, but the footage that Bob Harris shot for the News Of The World tour would be perfect. A shorter series than Get Back, but would still be a great watch. Footage of the band recording the BBC versions of the NOTW album, footage of the band rehearsing and mixing We Are The Champions, up close footage of Queen rehearsing their live show at Shepperton Studios, discussing their setlists, crafting the transitions of the medley, etc., great backstage and soundcheck footage of the actual tour, and the interviews would be a great treat as well. Brian doesn't even realize that they've got this footage; he posted a little piece of it on his Instagram gushing over it and asking where it came from. but much of the BBC's tapes were wiped and reused - as per their policy at that time. i would venture that there won;t be much more survived than has already been seen. Lots of it has been digitized as we know from the 2017 docs. The 2017 docs don't use everything that was filmed as other missing pieces from the filming have come from other documentaries from unrelated productions. So yes, there's probably quite a lot that doesn't exist anymore, but I do believe that there's enough to make something substantial out of it.
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Post by pg on Nov 11, 2023 22:53:41 GMT
On one hand, the BBC's tape wiping wasn't as bad by '77.
On the other, the list of "things that were filmed" looks to include some unproven stuff (recording the NOTW session?)
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Post by manymilesaway on Nov 12, 2023 1:48:54 GMT
On one hand, the BBC's tape wiping wasn't as bad by '77. On the other, the list of "things that were filmed" looks to include some unproven stuff (recording the NOTW session?) For the It's Late one, that video doesn't contain the audio that it's actually supposed to be matched with. I can't find an upload due to all those Queen YouTube purges last year. For the MMB one, the vocal take doesnt match until Freddie's lyric flub at 0:39, but that is definitely him actually recording and not just miming due to us being able to hear the flub. I play piano, and from my eyes, Freddie's little fills match up with the actual audio as well. He usually doesn't play the same thing the exact same way twice- so I think that little clip of him playing the piano is the ACTUAL take heard in the session.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Nov 12, 2023 7:52:25 GMT
the BBC had no particular archiving policy until 1978. Tapes were routinely wiped until that time. The exceptions were programmes that they exported for overseas broadcast, stuff like Monty Python. So what does survive from 77 will be down to good luck and not any kind of sensible call by Auntie
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Post by Dimitris on Nov 12, 2023 8:52:07 GMT
Yes indeed, I was wondering if Queen and compwny decide to re-re-release their studio album remixed...by using AI to fix some engineering issues in first album, jazz etc. How many different vinyl formats, limited editions etc will overcharge us. With multitracks, they wouldn't need AI for any of that. You don't even need AI WITHOUT multitracks, tbh. There's so much more you can do to remaster audio than feeding it through an AI. They have several issues with their multitracks, some multilayer vocals, guitars are bounced. Lot of engineering issues like Jazz or Queen first album could be improved, since the original sound source on multitracks is very awful.
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Post by innuendo73 on Nov 13, 2023 18:50:25 GMT
It’s just my guess, but I think if we are lucky enough to see a release 2024, I think it’ll be Innuendo.
My only logic is we’ve had a box set from the seventies (News of the world) Eighties (The Miracle)
Freddie said let’s keep making music so I think there is more unknown stuff in the vault from this period.
Not finished for Made in heaven but waiting to be finished.
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Post by pg on Nov 13, 2023 19:24:47 GMT
I really doubt theres much left from the 90s. The sheer volume of recycling that was necessary for MIH - 4 previously released tracks, one that Brian had to finish, another that there was only one verse of, and the snippet spun out to YDFM.
The valid counter-argument to that is LMIYHA and FIA existed, so maybe other stuff does.
But yeah, Innuendo, The Works, Queen, Queen II and SHA all getting box sets next year. And Live Killers, as always....
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Post by Lord Fickle on Nov 13, 2023 19:54:33 GMT
It’s just my guess, but I think if we are lucky enough to see a release 2024, I think it’ll be Innuendo. My only logic is we’ve had a box set from the seventies (News of the world) Eighties (The Miracle) Freddie said let’s keep making music so I think there is more unknown stuff in the vault from this period. Not finished for Made in heaven but waiting to be finished. Bearing in mind Freddie's health at the time, I wonder if any such left-over material might not be of a usable quality? That said, we know there's a few demos knocking around from that period (Self Made Man, Robbery, My Secret Fantasy), so maybe they could scrape enough together for a CDs worth. I'd actually be happy with a full remix of the entire album, rather than the mushy mix we currently have.
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Post by eiricd on Nov 13, 2023 20:03:55 GMT
I really doubt theres much left from the 90s. The sheer volume of recycling that was necessary for MIH - 4 previously released tracks, one that Brian had to finish, another that there was only one verse of, and the snippet spun out to YDFM. The valid counter-argument to that is LMIYHA and FIA existed, so maybe other stuff does. But yeah, Innuendo, The Works, Queen, Queen II and SHA all getting box sets next year. And Live Killers, as always.... I think another important part of the equation is this; at the time of compiling MIH, it's fair to suggest that the state of the Queen archives was a mess compared to what it probably is these days, in 2023. Greg Brooks has publicly spoken about how he started sorting through everything in the late 90s, and has kept at it. In that process, recordings the band had either forgotten about, or simply couldn't locate, must have surfaced. LMIYHA and FIA being two examples.
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Post by eiricd on Nov 13, 2023 20:07:11 GMT
dunno if people have heard the new Beatles track? but if what I read is correct, it seems Lennon's parts are from the same source that gave us Real Love and Free as a Bird, almost 3 decades ago? If so, techology has really blown up some new doors in terms of what you can extract from an old tape that's not in pristine quality. Surely there are some sub par cassette recordings of Freddie somwhere?! Fingers crossed
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Post by georg on Nov 13, 2023 20:52:45 GMT
I’m sure there’s more in the vaults than we know of, even if it’s alternate takes or mixes or additional stuff on the multitracks. Whether they think it’s of releasable quality is one thing, but I feel like Brian especially is starting to see the value in these archival sets.
For me, I love the alternate mixes on the NOTW and Miracle boxes, and if those were all we’d gotten I would’ve been mostly happy (provided the price was cut back accordingly). I still think they should’ve put a live disc in the NOTW box, but they seemed to have their reasons.
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