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Post by Doughnut on Oct 15, 2020 18:25:03 GMT
Greg Brooks still says the Miracle Boxset will happen but that it’s just been pushed back 🤷♀️
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Post by Doughnut on Oct 15, 2020 18:26:53 GMT
Rudi has also mentioned several times that he and Peter Freestone are going to be working together (secret project ) Yeah.. with his pretend phone calls he makes to Peter when he’s live on IG Does he still do that ? I can’t stand watching him .
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Post by Bul on Oct 15, 2020 22:13:40 GMT
If you look closely at previously published material, you can see that two cameramen are involved in the filming of this large-scale event. We see that one of them constantly accompanied the group including aerial photography, and the second recorded behind-the-scenes footage from the ground. Then it was placed to the side of the stage to capture the overall plan of this Grand show. When switching from One Vision to Is This The World We Created, we see that the angle hasn't changed, which suggests that they have a full 35mm recording of the concert. The second operator at this time continued to follow Freddie out of the van to the scene. And later he took a position near the stage to capture close-UPS, in this case there are close shots of Bohemian Rhapsody and Hammer To Fall. The only question is how soon he managed to get into position so that DoRo could create a full concert from two cameras
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Post by Jake12 on Oct 15, 2020 23:01:26 GMT
If QPL were to comply footage from DoRo and from other media outlets that were there that day, I think it would make a great 2 disc release! Honestly I don’t mind if a few songs or portions of songs are missing!
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Post by RhapsodiaBohemia on Oct 16, 2020 0:49:23 GMT
Knebworth would be a sight to see next year. This would be fantastic if this is what they have in store for the 50th anniversary.
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Post by Mack Mantilla on Oct 16, 2020 5:41:34 GMT
I wonder if Remastered promo videos will finally be released for 50th also I think that could be a possibility
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Post by pg on Oct 16, 2020 7:40:59 GMT
I wonder if Remastered promo videos will finally be released for 50th also I think that could be a possibility In terms of ticking the marketing boxes, it's an easy win. -known for visuals -includes the big hits -nothing currently in the market
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Oct 16, 2020 8:58:52 GMT
Knebworth wasn't filmed. It would have been released years ago instead of the countless wembley re releases. not discounting the remotest possibility that "Knebworth" could (in theory) exist. I'm inclined to agree with you. why? there've been far too many "excellent opportunities" to cash in on such Golden Goose: 20yr, 25yr, 30yr ? the more time that passes, the smaller the nostalgia market becomes. in fact, if QPL have Knebworth then the ideal time to release it was a very soon after Freddie's death Knebworth anniversary...say, 1996!
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Post by Goldy on Oct 16, 2020 10:20:00 GMT
Knebworth wasn't filmed. It would have been released years ago instead of the countless wembley re releases. not discounting the remotest possibility that "Knebworth" could (in theory) exist. I'm inclined to agree with you. why? there've been far too many "excellent opportunities" to cash in on such Golden Goose: 20yr, 25yr, 30yr ? the more time that passes, the smaller the nostalgia market becomes. in fact, if QPL have Knebworth then the ideal time to release it was a very soon after Freddie's death Knebworth anniversary...say, 1996! I am inclined to think that Knebworth was filmed (with at-least 1 camera), but is not available for emotional/sentimental reasons. As we all know Brian really likes to be emotional about a lot of things, including their last show with Freddie. My guess is that Knebworth has been 100% complete for a number of times now, but was always pushed back because of emotional reasons (Brian's perfectionism, Deacy throwing his bass, etc.). Furthermore, if they didn't have the footage, they would've already released it as a CD with bonus extras, they wouldn't wait for a magic source to appear. Just my opinion.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 16, 2020 10:29:19 GMT
not discounting the remotest possibility that "Knebworth" could (in theory) exist. I'm inclined to agree with you. why? there've been far too many "excellent opportunities" to cash in on such Golden Goose: 20yr, 25yr, 30yr ? the more time that passes, the smaller the nostalgia market becomes. in fact, if QPL have Knebworth then the ideal time to release it was a very soon after Freddie's death Knebworth anniversary...say, 1996! I am inclined to think that Knebworth was filmed (with at-least 1 camera), but is not available for emotional/sentimental reasons. As we all know Brian really likes to be emotional about a lot of things, including their last show with Freddie. My guess is that Knebworth has been 100% complete for a number of times now, but was always pushed back because of emotional reasons (Brian's perfectionism, Deacy throwing his bass, etc.). Furthermore, if they didn't have the footage, they would've already released it as a CD with bonus extras, they wouldn't wait for a magic source to appear. Just my opinion. Also, if it exists and they released it: a) They could be accused of cashing in as it was the last concert, and b) Accused of duplication (not that they've ever bothered about that before) given that we have Wembley and Budapest, both of which are virtually the same sets.
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Post by Bul on Oct 16, 2020 10:31:42 GMT
Do not forget that this is primarily a documentary. The question is whether there is enough interesting material. We got 11 minutes that cover the highlights of the concert. Stretching them to 1 hour will not add interest to the average viewer. So they are likely to complement it with Mannheim, Budapest and Wembley. Another question is, what name will this project get - the European dream?)
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 16, 2020 10:42:24 GMT
For all we know it could be John who has objected to it's release, and they are respecting his wishes. Maybe he felt he had a bad show hence the bass throwing tantrum?
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Post by Bul on Oct 16, 2020 10:51:49 GMT
I doubt, they showed this moment several times in the Days of our lives)
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Post by emrabt on Oct 16, 2020 11:04:42 GMT
If they had better footage than the Camcorder pointing at the screen, why would they use the camcorder footage in documentaries?
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Post by oreno on Oct 16, 2020 11:05:10 GMT
It seems clear that, if they'd filmed Knebworth in releasable (by QPL standards) condition, it would be out by now.
Even if they had 'taped' the video feed, it's not a great representation of the concert. It's almost exclusively close ups of Freddie, with the odd cutaway. Priceless to us, but not visually anywhere near Wembley standard. (And I suspect using far fewer cameras too). Remember, the live feed was intended for a big outdoor screen, not for a broadcast/release, so the images needed to be close ups, to be visible by people stood 100s of metres away. I don't believe there's any crowd footage either.
Add to that to all DoRo footage is on film. In theory this could greatly expand the coverage, but you're talking two visually incompatible formats. You cannot cut from video to film and back (well you can, but not on a professional release).
From watching Rudi's videos, it seems clear QPL own the release rights to all his Queen footage, even if he 'owns' the material.
But it's entirely plausible DoRo have a lot of the gig filmed, single camera. They also must have reams of unseen backstage etc footage. It seems unlikely they'd film a ton of arrivals, setup, warm ups etc and then turn the cameras off just as the gig started. But who knows. Again, single camera complete songs would be priceless to us, but used as DVD extras at best. And we know how QPL work. If it's not bells and whistles super-multi camera angles (and remixed/overdubbed), forget it.
Finally.. I seem to remember an image of a camera, somewhere beneath the sound tower - possibly a TV OB unit or similar. There's definitely an image of it somewhere. It may have been local TV, maybe just earlier in the day. I remember a big debate about it but cannot remember where (QZ probably). So MAYBE there is another single (video?) camera take, of some of the gig, from halfway back. Maybe.
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Post by Bul on Oct 16, 2020 11:21:24 GMT
If they had better footage than the Camcorder pointing at the screen, why would they use the camcorder footage in documentaries? Because if you've seen Magic Years, they don't have a close-up of Mercury during Radio Ga Ga (Perhaps now, in the 21st century, they are not afraid to show unique materials, despite their quality)
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Post by Bul on Oct 16, 2020 11:24:35 GMT
It seems clear that, if they'd filmed Knebworth in releasable (by QPL standards) condition, it would be out by now. Even if they had 'taped' the video feed, it's not a great representation of the concert. It's almost exclusively close ups of Freddie, with the odd cutaway. Priceless to us, but not visually anywhere near Wembley standard. (And I suspect using far fewer cameras too). Remember, the live feed was intended for a big outdoor screen, not for a broadcast/release, so the images needed to be close ups, to be visible by people stood 100s of metres away. I don't believe there's any crowd footage either. Add to that to all DoRo footage is on film. In theory this could greatly expand the coverage, but you're talking two visually incompatible formats. You cannot cut from video to film and back (well you can, but not on a professional release). From watching Rudi's videos, it seems clear QPL own the release rights to all his Queen footage, even if he 'owns' the material. But it's entirely plausible DoRo have a lot of the gig filmed, single camera. They also must have reams of unseen backstage etc footage. It seems unlikely they'd film a ton of arrivals, setup, warm ups etc and then turn the cameras off just as the gig started. But who knows. Again, single camera complete songs would be priceless to us, but used as DVD extras at best. And we know how QPL work. If it's not bells and whistles super-multi camera angles (and remixed/overdubbed), forget it. Finally.. I seem to remember an image of a camera, somewhere beneath the sound tower - possibly a TV OB unit or similar. There's definitely an image of it somewhere. It may have been local TV, maybe just earlier in the day. I remember a big debate about it but cannot remember where (QZ probably). So MAYBE there is another single (video?) camera take, of some of the gig, from halfway back. Maybe. Great. You're the closest you've come to explaining this from a professional point of view!
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Post by Jake12 on Oct 16, 2020 13:46:34 GMT
Finally.. I seem to remember an image of a camera, somewhere beneath the sound tower - possibly a TV OB unit or similar. There's definitely an image of it somewhere. It may have been local TV, maybe just earlier in the day. I remember a big debate about it but cannot remember where (QZ probably). So MAYBE there is another single (video?) camera take, of some of the gig, from halfway back. Maybe. is this the image you’re referring to?
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Post by Makka on Oct 16, 2020 15:54:55 GMT
Finally.. I seem to remember an image of a camera, somewhere beneath the sound tower - possibly a TV OB unit or similar. There's definitely an image of it somewhere. It may have been local TV, maybe just earlier in the day. I remember a big debate about it but cannot remember where (QZ probably). So MAYBE there is another single (video?) camera take, of some of the gig, from halfway back. Maybe. is this the image you’re referring to? Fuck! That fence looks like it's from the middle ages!
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Post by oreno on Oct 16, 2020 17:39:26 GMT
Right. Forget the actual image of the camera person, that's my memory cheating. Here's what I'm thinking of.. at 5.49 in this Quo Knebworth footage, there is video from one of the towers, filmed while Quo were on. Who/what/why - unknown. Possibly from one of the screen feed cameras, but there's different footage on screen at this point, and someone waves a stills camera in front of the lens, which seems a little unprofessional mid gig. Which is why it's thought to be a different camera.
It's also the only insert from that angle in the whole clip, the rest is one of the Quo crew with a single camcorder, on stage or backstage.
Probably nothing worth bothering about really. Mysterious, nonetheless.
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Post by innuendo1990 on Oct 16, 2020 21:51:13 GMT
It could've been that one of the roadies filmed something for Status Quo
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Post by Bul on Oct 16, 2020 22:59:46 GMT
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Post by Raf on Oct 17, 2020 1:57:10 GMT
To be honest, I don't get all the hype the Queen community's had for an official release of Knebworth all these years. It's definitely a landmark in Queen's history, but during the Magic Tour they definitely weren't at their musical peak, and as someone else pointed out, we've already got so much from this tour.
Despite the TV quality vs film quality, I was really excited when Live at the Bowl came out and I never bothered getting Budapest. Rainbow and Hammersmith were much more interesting both in terms of performance and "novel" setlists. Even for those of us who collected bootlegs at some point there were some new gems thanks to the March disk on the Rainbow box.
If they can find something watchable/listenable from Knebworth to release as bonus material on a pretty boxset, yay. Otherwise I really think we'd have much more to appreciate and discuss if they dug up something from one of the many tours never officially released in modern formats. I know I can't really speak on behalf of all of you, but I'm pretty sure many of us could get excited about seeing Queen's last concert, then we'd buy the new BluRay or whatever, watch it a couple of times and soon we'd catch ourselves skipping half the songs on it or realising we prefer the Wembley or Budapest version of this or that song.
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Post by highlander on Oct 18, 2020 9:10:38 GMT
It seems clear that, if they'd filmed Knebworth in releasable (by QPL standards) condition, it would be out by now. Even if they had 'taped' the video feed, it's not a great representation of the concert. It's almost exclusively close ups of Freddie, with the odd cutaway. Priceless to us, but not visually anywhere near Wembley standard. (And I suspect using far fewer cameras too). Remember, the live feed was intended for a big outdoor screen, not for a broadcast/release, so the images needed to be close ups, to be visible by people stood 100s of metres away. I don't believe there's any crowd footage either. Add to that to all DoRo footage is on film. In theory this could greatly expand the coverage, but you're talking two visually incompatible formats. You cannot cut from video to film and back (well you can, but not on a professional release). From watching Rudi's videos, it seems clear QPL own the release rights to all his Queen footage, even if he 'owns' the material. But it's entirely plausible DoRo have a lot of the gig filmed, single camera. They also must have reams of unseen backstage etc footage. It seems unlikely they'd film a ton of arrivals, setup, warm ups etc and then turn the cameras off just as the gig started. But who knows. Again, single camera complete songs would be priceless to us, but used as DVD extras at best. And we know how QPL work. If it's not bells and whistles super-multi camera angles (and remixed/overdubbed), forget it. Finally.. I seem to remember an image of a camera, somewhere beneath the sound tower - possibly a TV OB unit or similar. There's definitely an image of it somewhere. It may have been local TV, maybe just earlier in the day. I remember a big debate about it but cannot remember where (QZ probably). So MAYBE there is another single (video?) camera take, of some of the gig, from halfway back. Maybe.
I just hate that DoRo sit on their archives and never really release the complete stuff they've done. Only little snippets maybe... They won't get any younger and time is precious!
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Post by oreno on Oct 18, 2020 9:34:07 GMT
It seems clear that, if they'd filmed Knebworth in releasable (by QPL standards) condition, it would be out by now. Even if they had 'taped' the video feed, it's not a great representation of the concert. It's almost exclusively close ups of Freddie, with the odd cutaway. Priceless to us, but not visually anywhere near Wembley standard. (And I suspect using far fewer cameras too). Remember, the live feed was intended for a big outdoor screen, not for a broadcast/release, so the images needed to be close ups, to be visible by people stood 100s of metres away. I don't believe there's any crowd footage either. Add to that to all DoRo footage is on film. In theory this could greatly expand the coverage, but you're talking two visually incompatible formats. You cannot cut from video to film and back (well you can, but not on a professional release). From watching Rudi's videos, it seems clear QPL own the release rights to all his Queen footage, even if he 'owns' the material. But it's entirely plausible DoRo have a lot of the gig filmed, single camera. They also must have reams of unseen backstage etc footage. It seems unlikely they'd film a ton of arrivals, setup, warm ups etc and then turn the cameras off just as the gig started. But who knows. Again, single camera complete songs would be priceless to us, but used as DVD extras at best. And we know how QPL work. If it's not bells and whistles super-multi camera angles (and remixed/overdubbed), forget it. Finally.. I seem to remember an image of a camera, somewhere beneath the sound tower - possibly a TV OB unit or similar. There's definitely an image of it somewhere. It may have been local TV, maybe just earlier in the day. I remember a big debate about it but cannot remember where (QZ probably). So MAYBE there is another single (video?) camera take, of some of the gig, from halfway back. Maybe.
I just hate that DoRo sit on their archives and never really release the complete stuff they've done. Only little snippets maybe... They won't get any younger and time is precious!
I get the impression DoRo (or Rudi, since he and Hannes seem to be estranged) would release the lot, in a heartbeat.. in his videos he makes it fairly plain that what comes out, or doesn't, is down to QPL.
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Post by mkls on Oct 18, 2020 10:23:04 GMT
I just hate that DoRo sit on their archives and never really release the complete stuff they've done. Only little snippets maybe... They won't get any younger and time is precious!
I get the impression DoRo (or Rudi, since he and Hannes seem to be estranged) would release the lot, in a heartbeat.. in his videos he makes it fairly plain that what comes out, or doesn't, is down to QPL. exactly - Rudi clearly explained many times in the last 6 months, he wanted to release a lot of stuff, but its entirely up to Jim and QPL what comes out. Hannes is out of DoRo productions now yes... and we exactly know the way Jim and Brian think about these releases...
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Post by oreno on Oct 18, 2020 11:19:39 GMT
A lot of Knebworth talk over 2 threads, there's also this one queenchat.boards.net/thread/1332/queen-knebworth-screen-camera-changesI've remembered/ identified ANOTHER camera, that films the ITV footage, from beneath the left side (stage right) sound tower (the same angle as one of the live feeds, and the brief Quo insert). So in total there were upto NINE cameras filming at least parts of the day at Knebworth - four live video feeds, two with Quo (one onstage, one on sound tower), two film cameras with DoRo, and a so far unidentified single video camera used for the ITV/Anglia news item (which MAY be the same as the second Quo camera, though I seriously doubt it, and MAY actually be footage from the live feed, which I also seriously doubt, but cannot yet say for certain.) Upto NINE professional cameras /operators at Knebworth (upto seven filming Queen), but short clips aside the best we have is a shaky domestic camcorder in the audience shooting the big screen.. what you gonna do..
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Post by justin07 on Oct 18, 2020 13:54:25 GMT
Does anyone know if the whole audio was recorded? We have the tracks released on the Live Magic album so I would have thought surely the whole of it was taped and they just picked out some of them to combine with the Wembley/Budapest ones.
I would take a full, remastered release just on audio in the absence of video.
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Post by Jake12 on Oct 18, 2020 16:42:05 GMT
Does anyone know if the whole audio was recorded? We have the tracks released on the Live Magic album so I would have thought surely the whole of it was taped and they just picked out some of them to combine with the Wembley/Budapest ones. I would take a full, remastered release just on audio in the absence of video. Yes. Was meant for a 2012 release but never happened. Audio is complete
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Post by justin07 on Oct 19, 2020 9:06:02 GMT
Does anyone know if the whole audio was recorded? We have the tracks released on the Live Magic album so I would have thought surely the whole of it was taped and they just picked out some of them to combine with the Wembley/Budapest ones. I would take a full, remastered release just on audio in the absence of video. Yes. Was meant for a 2012 release but never happened. Audio is complete
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