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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 14:26:30 GMT
Roger did say at some point he was a bit fed up with drumming. He still did a great job when touring, but I suppose in the studio he'd grown tired of that and was more focused on programming, singing, and playing other instruments.
David Richards did confirm the samples came from his (Roger's) own playing.
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Post by georg on Mar 12, 2021 14:43:26 GMT
I think maybe in early days (Hot Space era) on songs like Staying Power, Dancer, Cool Cat, and Body Language, that's a Linn drum machine (to my untrained ear) but once programming got more sophisticated he did most of it himself. I'm sure what they're showing in the One Vision documentary where Roger is hitting and playing different parts of his set is a stage of the programming process.
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Post by ploughman on Mar 13, 2021 12:27:00 GMT
Its also is downt to the requirements of the song n question. The samples thing in the 80s was a bit different than today.
You could sample live drums (that means the drums Roger actually played in the studio) to make the snare drum more effective for example. A good way to hear this is Hammer to Fall. The every second snare drum hit is sampled with an more effective hit on the top.
You could also start to record your own drumsound to the sampler and play them back with LinnDrum. This is exactly what they did with Scandal. That is the reason why they sound much more natural than on Radio Gaga. But they are still programmed. That song is so sequenced and relies on that arpeggio, so maybe they descided to program the drums rather than try to get Roger to play it so precise.
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Post by Chopin1995 on Mar 13, 2021 23:45:02 GMT
ploughman You state - "We heard Brians demo during 2017 Back to Tapes session". What is this? I've never heard of a demo of 'The Show Must Go On' being available, nor of this session. There was entire thread on QZ dedicated to the 'Innuendo: Back To The Tapes' event. Highly recommended! www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1488928.html |
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Post by soundfreak1 on May 1, 2021 10:39:27 GMT
Oh man. It is becoming ever so clear how the output from the 1970s was exceptionally superior to their later albums. I am suspecting that Queen began using drum machines on Hot Space, according to this amazing list here. I would blame Mack, but I'm sure that Roger used them all over his Fun In Space (1981) album as well. Holy smokes, is the drummer to blame? My mind is blown. I would not blame anybody for this.
It was a natural developement in those days. Suddenly electronic drums were there and seemed to be "the future". Lots of bands went into this "trap" like ELO or even the Moody Blues. And what sounded modern then, very soon sounded dated. The moment you hear these terrible syndrums you know...it's 80s...
The interesting thing is, that they all tried sooner or later to make these electronic drums and drum-machines sound as natural as possible. If you don't have a drummer - yes!
But if you have a real outstanding drummer - isn't it better to let him play instead of programming a machine to sound like him?
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Post by scapp70 on May 6, 2021 12:44:52 GMT
It was a natural developement in those days. Suddenly electronic drums were there and seemed to be "the future". Lots of bands went into this "trap" like ELO or even the Moody Blues. And what sounded modern then, very soon sounded dated. The moment you hear these terrible syndrums you know...it's 80s...
The interesting thing is, that they all tried sooner or later to make these electronic drums and drum-machines sound as natural as possible. If you don't have a drummer - yes!
But if you have a real outstanding drummer - isn't it better to let him play instead of programming a machine to sound like him?
I think that's why the early Queen albums sound timeless, they didn't try to match a new sound or go with a new fad, like they started to do in the 1980s. In my opinion, this was the problem with an artist like David Bowie. While he had some good songs, they all sound dated. The same with Billy Joel as well. Outside of the 70s production sound, I doubt a non-Queen fan could pinpoint when those classic Queen songs were originally released. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 14:00:50 GMT
That's a great point: ''39' could've easily been written and recorded in 1960, in 1990, in 2020... something like 'Action This Day' (which I also like), on the other hand, screams early eighties!
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Post by Dimitris on May 19, 2021 9:24:38 GMT
I was listening Ride the wild wind early version (Roger's guide vocals), I think that, the big drum sound during the intro and in some parts of the song is either drum machine or computer generated, while the rhythm part is real drum loop.
what do you think? Could anybody clarify this?
Thanks!
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 19, 2021 13:02:21 GMT
I was listening Ride the wild wind early version (Roger's guide vocals), I think that, the big drum sound during the intro and in some parts of the song is either drum machine or computer generated, while the rhythm part is real drum loop. what do you think? Could anybody clarify this? Thanks! I just think it's a shame Roger didn't play proper live drums on it, especially given it's his own song. |
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Post by Dimitris on May 19, 2021 16:53:29 GMT
I was listening Ride the wild wind early version (Roger's guide vocals), I think that, the big drum sound during the intro and in some parts of the song is either drum machine or computer generated, while the rhythm part is real drum loop. what do you think? Could anybody clarify this? Thanks! I just think it's a shame Roger didn't play proper live drums on it, especially given it's his own song. If he didn't play even for a drum loop, it isreally shame, it is a good song, I prefer Freddie on vocals, he gave to the lyrics a sweet melancholy tone. Thanks for the reply. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 19, 2021 17:49:12 GMT
I just think it's a shame Roger didn't play proper live drums on it, especially given it's his own song. If he didn't play even for a drum loop, it isreally shame, it is a good song, I prefer Freddie on vocals, he gave to the lyrics a sweet melancholy tone. Thanks for the reply. Oh, I'm not saying he didn't record a drum loop, just that he didn't play the song 'live', so to speak. At least, that's my interpretation, which could be completely wrong. |
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