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Post by Steve on Apr 16, 2020 21:45:27 GMT
Just love the lighting rig.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 17, 2020 8:02:17 GMT
deathtoming - revisiting this again. What proof do we have that this photo of Brian is actually from April 25, 1979 ? The band photo is certainly from the 24th, with Mercury in the silver lurex suit. But couldn't the photo of Brian just be from a few seconds later on the 24th as well, or maybe one of the other Tokyo shows (there were five in all) ?
I know I'm calling everything I wrote on the previous page into question now, but I'm trying to remember how we became so certain of this. Actually, I don't think we ever had any proof about Brian's solo pic. As for the group photo, I don't think we have any evidence to point at the 24th, either. We can only rule out some dates: 1) April 13, Budokan - because it's the first night 2) April 14, Budokan - because it's the second night 3) April 25, Budokan - because of the video proof (wrong outfit, as you pointed out) 4) May 5 and 6, Sapporo - these are the last two shows; it's highly unlikely that they would wait this long to try to get the shot they wanted, and the "running out of time" pressure would have added another element to the story and would have been told. Also, it wouldn't make sense to have a Tokyo-based magazine photographer to travel all the way to the northern island of Hokkaido when they had 5 shows in Tokyo alone. Personally, I'm leaning towards the 3rd or 4th nights of the tour, both in Osaka. The photo of the group at the train station with Freddie taking Polaroids is by Hasebe at Osaka station, so he did travel with them. I have my doubts about the the second leg at the Budokan, because by then it's already their 6th, 7th, and 8th shows, 10 days after their first night. How much time do they need to decide on the cover photo, with Live Killers being released June 22?   Also, Koh Hasebe has been consistent with the "I got it on the 3rd try" story across several interviews; however, all of these interviews were in the past couple of years to promote his photo exhibition, and he's turning 90 later this month, thinking back 40 years ago. What if he actually got it on the 4th try? It would help if we had access to more photos; particularly those with John in the hat and Freddie in silver. But I've given up on getting accurately dated pro shots, or good quality amateur shots. For example, this pro shot:  It was on a book publisher's website to promote their book of live photos of Queen from '75 to '85. However, it just said, "Japan tour 1979, date and venue unknown." They got the rights to publish from the photographer (Hasebe?) but have no details? Then what luck are we going to have? For amateur photos, the only one I found was this one from their Nagoya show (April 28):  My last hope is to track down a copy of Music Life from 1979, because that's who Koh Hasebe worked for. Supposedly the summer edition of that magazine has extensive details about the '79 tour; on the other hand, a lot of those details are in the Queen in Japan book I've reference several times, and it's mostly things like what they ate for dinner on any particular night. But maybe the magazine will have more tour photos. I'll pick one up if it's a decent price.
You are a wealth of expertise and excellence.
Indeed, the photographer is remembering something from decades ago. Of course he could be a few days off. Hell, I can't tell you what I had for dinner two nights ago.
Good call to go with Osaka for the Live Killers cover shot(s).
Thanks for posting the photos !
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Post by cmi on Apr 17, 2020 8:45:51 GMT
It seems to me this photo was taken on the same show at the same position as the backsleeve photo of the album... Nice one. |
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Post by deathtoming on Apr 17, 2020 22:11:27 GMT
You are a wealth of expertise and excellence. Indeed, the photographer is remembering something from decades ago. Of course he could be a few days off. Hell, I can't tell you what I had for dinner two nights ago. Good call to go with Osaka for the Live Killers cover shot(s).
Thanks for posting the photos ! Ha, no problem. I ended buying that book of photos of Queen live in Japan from '75 to '85, so maybe we'll get some more clues once it arrives in a couple of weeks. I'll keep you posted.Also, did you see the photos of Freddie from Yamaguchi in '79 in that "Queen in Pictures" thread you started? He's in that silver lurex outfit, no less! It's the third last show so not likely, but still... |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 17, 2020 23:09:31 GMT
It seems to me this photo was taken on the same show at the same position as the backsleeve photo of the album... Nice one. Good catch !
These photos are claimed to be from Ljubljana on February 7, 1979. They're almost the same angle, and the lighting is so similar:
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 17, 2020 23:28:15 GMT
You are a wealth of expertise and excellence. Indeed, the photographer is remembering something from decades ago. Of course he could be a few days off. Hell, I can't tell you what I had for dinner two nights ago. Good call to go with Osaka for the Live Killers cover shot(s).
Thanks for posting the photos ! Ha, no problem. I ended buying that book of photos of Queen live in Japan from '75 to '85, so maybe we'll get some more clues once it arrives in a couple of weeks. I'll keep you posted.Also, did you see the photos of Freddie from Yamaguchi in '79 in that "Queen in Pictures" thread you started? He's in that silver lurex outfit, no less! It's the third last show so not likely, but still... Excellent - looking forward to it !
I do have the Yamaguchi photos. Thanks for the reminder to get them onto my website.
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Post by deathtoming on Apr 18, 2020 0:47:43 GMT
It seems to me this photo was taken on the same show at the same position as the backsleeve photo of the album... Nice one. Good catch !
These photos are claimed to be from Ljubljana on February 7, 1979. They're almost the same angle, and the lighting is so similar: Yes, good catch, cmi! There are two additional photos in the inner sleeve collage, too. The Real Wizard, you're right, those photos are very similar. It looks like the stage monitor speakers are farther apart in the Germany photos, though. There also seems to be less space on the stage in front of the drums. Angles can make it deceiving, but I think the differences are big enough. Still, it's practically a "spot the difference" exercise. |
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Post by cmi on Apr 18, 2020 8:52:42 GMT
Does anyone understand, why John's pose on the front sleeve photo is so unnatural? Seems like he is going to fall or something like this...
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Post by Steve on Apr 18, 2020 8:56:28 GMT
Does anyone understand, why John's pose on the front sleeve photo is so unnatural? Seems like he is going to fall or something like this... Never spotted that before. |
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Post by deathtoming on Apr 18, 2020 14:47:19 GMT
Does anyone understand, why John's pose on the front sleeve photo is so unnatural? Seems like he is going to fall or something like this... Ha, maybe it's natural for him:  |
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Post by deathtoming on Jun 12, 2020 19:53:19 GMT
The Real Wizard After a couple of months, I finally received the two things that I thought might help figure out where and when the Live Killers cover was shot: a 2cm-thick photo book of Queen in Japan with over 400 photos, many never seen before, and a 2019 reproduction of the magazine first published in the summer of 1979 to commemorate Queen's tour.   The book had the alternate shot that I've already posted, but it didn't have a date, like most of the photos. However, the photos were basically arranged in chronological order, and the Live Killers alternate shot was placed right before a pic of Brian at Osaka station on April 21st, on the way to Kanazawa for a show later that evening. It's too bad that the photos were not dated properly, and hard to believe because everything else about the Japan tours are absolutely packed with detail with comprehensive tour diaries that even describe what the members ate on particular nights. These are the kinds of details available, and they range from the mundane to the interesting: - April 25, 1975: the band perform Martha My Dear by the Beatles during soundcheck - April 27, 1975: the band go to a disco in Okayama and have a jam session with a Filipino band - May 4th, 1979: John goes to the arcade to play Space Invaders at 12:30 am, while the rest of the band go to sleep around 1 am. John returns to the hotel at 3 am. - May 15, 1985: Freddie goes out to party while the rest of the band have a drinking session at the hotel bar and have a coaster throwing contest with the bar staff There are details like this for every day they spent in Japan!
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 13, 2020 0:08:38 GMT
- April 25, 1975: the band perform Martha My Dear by the Beatles during soundcheck Wow - I'd kill to hear that.
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Post by Chopin1995 on Jun 13, 2020 16:34:30 GMT
These are the kinds of details available, and they range from the mundane to the interesting: - April 25, 1975: the band perform Martha My Dear by the Beatles during soundcheck - April 27, 1975: the band go to a disco in Okayama and have a jam session with a Filipino band - May 4th, 1979: John goes to the arcade to play Space Invaders at 12:30 am, while the rest of the band go to sleep around 1 am. John returns to the hotel at 3 am. - May 15, 1985: Freddie goes out to party while the rest of the band have a drinking session at the hotel bar and have a coaster throwing contest with the bar staff There are details like this for every day they spent in Japan! That's incredible. Thanks a lot for translating and sharing these details. |
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Post by deathtoming on Jun 13, 2020 19:06:08 GMT
These are the kinds of details available, and they range from the mundane to the interesting: - April 25, 1975: the band perform Martha My Dear by the Beatles during soundcheck - April 27, 1975: the band go to a disco in Okayama and have a jam session with a Filipino band - May 4th, 1979: John goes to the arcade to play Space Invaders at 12:30 am, while the rest of the band go to sleep around 1 am. John returns to the hotel at 3 am. - May 15, 1985: Freddie goes out to party while the rest of the band have a drinking session at the hotel bar and have a coaster throwing contest with the bar staff There are details like this for every day they spent in Japan! That's incredible. Thanks a lot for translating and sharing these details. No problem. I'm hoping to translate all of the tour diary entries one day, one tour at a time, so that I can share them on this forum. |
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Post by Chopin1995 on Jun 14, 2020 14:36:38 GMT
^ Wonderful! You've shared some really great stuff on this forum already.
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Post by pg on Jun 15, 2020 7:42:09 GMT
Does anyone understand, why John's pose on the front sleeve photo is so unnatural? Seems like he is going to fall or something like this... I always believed he was about to bow. Feet together, hold the bass against the body so it doesn't swing forward, rotate shoulders 90 degrees forward. He just hasn't done the last bit. |
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Post by eddiespaghetti on Jun 19, 2020 21:15:22 GMT
Can't add much to the table regarding the discussion when the composed photo(s) were shot, but I really think it's an interesting discussion.
Haven't read such enjoyable discussion in a long time on queenzone.
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