Lord Fickle
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Post by Lord Fickle on Feb 26, 2021 18:17:01 GMT
Does anyone know the exact phases of the recordings of Hammer To Fall? Obviously we have the album version, but I think in this case, the 12-inch 'Headbangers' mix and the UK single were added to, rather than having bits edited, as was more usual for an album to single mix. Did they go back to the studio to record the extra bits, or were they outtakes that were edited back in?
Just curious, and I know we have people here who know all this stuff. 😄
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Post by macduff77 on Feb 27, 2021 19:06:04 GMT
I’ve always felt that the Headbanger’s Mix saw additional work added to the album cut. And the single mix was edited down with the guitar solo altered.
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Post by Jake12 on Feb 27, 2021 20:37:40 GMT
I always thought the same since the line “Baby now your struggle's all in vain” are different takes. can’t really tell when they changed it but the master was completed on Jan. 20, 1984.  |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Feb 27, 2021 20:42:11 GMT
I always thought the same since the line “Baby now your struggle's all in vain” are different takes. can’t really tell when they changed it but the master was completed on Jan. 20, 1984. I'd love to hear the "Tear It Up end bit no fade". Seems they only chopped about 14 seconds off the run time, so it would still have easily fitted on the vinyl. |
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Post by Jake12 on Feb 27, 2021 21:17:10 GMT
They also show at the bottom, “Your Heart Again (Edits) & Break Free (Intro Edits)  |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Feb 27, 2021 22:23:18 GMT
They also show at the bottom, “Your Heart Again (Edits) & Break Free (Intro Edits) Guessing the intro edit of IWTBF is just the keyboard intro on the single chopped off. Would be fascinating to get hold of those tapes, though. |
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Post by macduff77 on Feb 27, 2021 22:35:02 GMT
Man, I’d love to hear the Queen version of Man on Fire. One of my favourite Roger songs.
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Post by Jake12 on Feb 27, 2021 22:56:31 GMT
Man, I’d love to hear the Queen version of Man on Fire. One of my favourite Roger songs. I’m actually wondering if it really is a Queen version or when there was down time Roger would just use the same tape? |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Feb 27, 2021 23:06:12 GMT
Man, I’d love to hear the Queen version of Man on Fire. One of my favourite Roger songs. I’m actually wondering if it really is a Queen version or when there was down time Roger would just use the same tape? or what if Roger's version and the Queen version were one and the same initially. Maybe MOF started life as a Queen song - with only one of the band playing - it's certainly not unheard of for finished Queen songs to have been principally one band member only. Then, at some point the band (democratically) decided against including it, so Roger used those tapes for his own solo version? |
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Post by macduff77 on Feb 28, 2021 6:09:08 GMT
or what if Roger's version and the Queen version were one and the same initially. Maybe MOF started life as a Queen song - with only one of the band playing - it's certainly not unheard of for finished Queen songs to have been principally one band member only. Then, at some point the band (democratically) decided against including it, so Roger used those tapes for his own solo version? Actually, you make a very good point. It's possible what we have is what was on that master. I'd never considered that before... |
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Feb 28, 2021 11:31:03 GMT
The fact that Brian plays rhythm guitar on Man On Fire, and no other tracks on Strange Frontier, could be an indication that (parts of) a work-in-progress Queen-version were used for Roger's solo version. By no means evidence - I mean, John plays on It's An Illusion - but there could be something there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 16:22:18 GMT
The fact that Brian plays rhythm guitar on Man On Fire, and no other tracks on Strange Frontier... Fascinating! What's the source of that info? Did he play on the released version? |
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Post by Golden Salmon on Feb 28, 2021 16:33:54 GMT
Didn't Freddie have some input in "Killing Time" too? I may be misremembering.
Gotta wonder at what point did Brian come up with "Hammer To Fall" slow version, and whether studio versions exist. But you do have a point in that the remixes feature new / unused parts or different takes indeed.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Feb 28, 2021 18:12:23 GMT
But you do have a point in that the remixes feature new / unused parts or different takes indeed. And, to be honest, it wasn't very well put together. You can clearly hear the joins!  |
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Post by cmsdrums on Mar 1, 2021 6:41:47 GMT
But you do have a point in that the remixes feature new / unused parts or different takes indeed. And, to be honest, it wasn't very well put together. You can clearly hear the joins! Exactly - it’s very clear on the 12” mix where the extended bit has been dropped in due to the sonic difference. I would wager however that it was recorded as the longer version and then edited out. Would they have bothered going back in after and setting the gear up to record an extra bit for an extended mix? I don’t think so - and would they have got the sound (mainly the drums with mic placement, heads tone etc) a similar match for the original sessions likely recorded several months before? Again, likely not. However, the extended bit was likely chopped out quite soon after recording, and then the mixing and mastering of the album/single versions were done. When they came to edit it back in, they have tried to mix and master that section separately to sound seamless but just haven’t been able to. With the other extended mixes I reckon they’ve either mixed and mastered the whole thing before editing out the extra parts, or alternately mixed and mastered a whole standalone extended version from scratch so the whole track is consistent - the Hammer To Fall 12” version is therefore an oddity whereby the album and single versions are mastered but the extended section has already been cut out before that without a copy of the full length version kept, and so they then mastered it separately and dropped it back in. Just my best guesswork on what I’m hearing though. |
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