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Post by pg on Apr 18, 2021 12:34:56 GMT
Acknowledging this is a bit of a tangent...
In the UK there is much concern about the possibility of a "vaccination passport", which would be potentially required for certain events.
In general, every opposition politician and civil liberties advocate, and many businesses, are all against this...
...but I have yet to see anybody making ostensibly valid complaints offering any kind of alternative. There are vague references to "this isn't the way", but nothing specific is offered.
My question for this audience is - have you seen any such alternative being proposed?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 18, 2021 12:45:31 GMT
Acknowledging this is a bit of a tangent... In the UK there is much concern about the possibility of a "vaccination passport", which would be potentially required for certain events. In general, every opposition politician and civil liberties advocate, and many businesses, are all against this... ...but I have yet to see anybody making ostensibly valid complaints offering any kind of alternative. There are vague references to "this isn't the way", but nothing specific is offered. My question for this audience is - have you seen any such alternative being proposed? No, but I think there would need to be some sort of safety measures introduced before large scale events, particularly those indoors, can resume with anywhere near full capacity. To have to test everyone outside an event before entering would be impractical and overly time consuming, so it would seem logical that some sort of evidence of pre-testing (or vaccination) would be required, at least in the short to medium term. Folks, if we're going to continue this discussion sensibly, let's stay away from the ethical / political side of the debate and concentrate on the practicalities of how things could move forward - thanks.
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Post by Doughnut on Apr 18, 2021 14:28:34 GMT
I don’t know how this will work as it kind of takes away people’s rights . Those that for whatever reason have chosen not to have the vaccine will be discriminated against . It’s a tough one .
That being said there have been mandatory vaccines required to visit certain overseas countries so perhaps this would be no different. If you haven’t had it there is no guarantee of safety so venues / countries should be within their rights to protect themselves.
Another thing is a lot of people don’t have mobile devices . There was an old man on the news in the week who couldn’t get a pint at his local because he didn’t have a smart phone and so they said they couldn’t take his order .
If we do have vaccine passports I hope it’s carefully thought out and not rushed .
I had the Oxford vaccine Thursday and felt so rough afterwards . Not looking forward to my second dose
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 18, 2021 17:15:50 GMT
I don’t know how this will work as it kind of takes away people’s rights . Those that for whatever reason have chosen not to have the vaccine will be discriminated against . It’s a tough one . That being said there have been mandatory vaccines required to visit certain overseas countries so perhaps this would be no different. If you haven’t had it there is no guarantee of safety so venues / countries should be within their rights to protect themselves. Another thing is a lot of people don’t have mobile devices . There was an old man on the news in the week who couldn’t get a pint at his local because he didn’t have a smart phone and so they said they couldn’t take his order . If we do have vaccine passports I hope it’s carefully thought out and not rushed . I had the Oxford vaccine Thursday and felt so rough afterwards . Not looking forward to my second dose I also felt rough after my first Oxford vaccine, but from what I've gathered, the second one isn't as bad.
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Post by Doughnut on Apr 18, 2021 18:41:48 GMT
I don’t know how this will work as it kind of takes away people’s rights . Those that for whatever reason have chosen not to have the vaccine will be discriminated against . It’s a tough one . That being said there have been mandatory vaccines required to visit certain overseas countries so perhaps this would be no different. If you haven’t had it there is no guarantee of safety so venues / countries should be within their rights to protect themselves. Another thing is a lot of people don’t have mobile devices . There was an old man on the news in the week who couldn’t get a pint at his local because he didn’t have a smart phone and so they said they couldn’t take his order . If we do have vaccine passports I hope it’s carefully thought out and not rushed . I had the Oxford vaccine Thursday and felt so rough afterwards . Not looking forward to my second dose I also felt rough after my first Oxford vaccine, but from what I've gathered, the second one isn't as bad. I hope so as the effects from the first were terrible . Strange how it affects people so differently as my hubby was fine
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Post by georg on Apr 18, 2021 21:07:03 GMT
I’m fine with a “passport”, if that were to be offered, but I think it should be based on your medical records and not your Covid card, as those can be purchased if you know where to look. I have my medical records in my phone and I carry it with me all the time, so even if it was a virtual thing you had to scan then I’m all for it.
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Post by stevedorius on Jun 16, 2021 19:38:37 GMT
I haven't had Covid, but a few of my siblings, their families and in-laws have. None were hospitalised, and they seem to have recovered fully. Also, none were vaccinated and it ripped through them like a tornado . I just had my second messenger RNA shot, nothing unusual to report so far. One of my wife's work colleagues is feeling awful after his first, and he's considerably more athletic than me - not sure how that works.
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Post by boboroni on Aug 28, 2021 22:16:14 GMT
I haven’t had it but I’m patiently waiting with every sore throat and sniffle.
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Post by Frank on Aug 29, 2021 3:14:36 GMT
My landlord's husband died from it. The man was in his 60s...healthy and going strong in life. It was all very sudden. Only in the hospital for a couple of months.
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Post by Doughnut on Aug 29, 2021 9:56:08 GMT
My landlord's husband died from it. The man was in his 60s...healthy and going strong in life. It was all very sudden. Only in the hospital for a couple of months. Awful . Did he have the vaccine?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 29, 2021 10:06:47 GMT
My landlord's husband died from it. The man was in his 60s...healthy and going strong in life. It was all very sudden. Only in the hospital for a couple of months. Even having had both vaccines, this still worries me as it seems quite a lottery as to whether you still get really sick, or have minor symptoms.
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Post by Frank on Aug 29, 2021 13:54:38 GMT
My landlord's husband died from it. The man was in his 60s...healthy and going strong in life. It was all very sudden. Only in the hospital for a couple of months. Awful . Did he have the vaccine? To be honest, I'm not sure and I thought it too personal a question to ask the family. But my personal opinion is he didn't get the vaccine. There's a large community here that is anti-vaccine and he sent off that vibe during my interactions with him, such as not wearing a mask when working in our rental. But he was a really nice guy and was always there when my wife and I needed him. Again, he was healthy and loved to work. So it was quite a shock when we found out the news. We knew he was in the hospital but thought a strong guy like him would certainly come around.
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Post by Frank on Aug 29, 2021 13:57:27 GMT
My landlord's husband died from it. The man was in his 60s...healthy and going strong in life. It was all very sudden. Only in the hospital for a couple of months. Even having had both vaccines, this still worries me as it seems quite a lottery as to whether you still get really sick, or have minor symptoms. Exactly my thoughts. It seems strange that a lot of schools in the USA are going back to "normal" with cases rising and Covid now being more dangerous for children. I think it's only a matter of time before schools shut down again...in fact, several to my knowledge have.
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Post by Doughnut on Aug 29, 2021 15:18:18 GMT
Even having had both vaccines, this still worries me as it seems quite a lottery as to whether you still get really sick, or have minor symptoms. Exactly my thoughts. It seems strange that a lot of schools in the USA are going back to "normal" with cases rising and Covid now being more dangerous for children. I think it's only a matter of time before schools shut down again...in fact, several to my knowledge have. I don’t believe it is more dangerous for children , well it hasn’t been in the UK as fewer cases are seen of under 18’s seriously ill . Not sure where you are but I know a few people now that are double jabbed and caught Covid , including a 16 year going through chemotherapy. She was fine thankfully , so was her mum , dad and 80 year old nan although she was in hospital for a short while . My daughter goes back to school in a week and I’m praying for an uninterrupted year . However , I think Covid will spread round schools like wildfire .
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 29, 2021 16:16:44 GMT
Exactly my thoughts. It seems strange that a lot of schools in the USA are going back to "normal" with cases rising and Covid now being more dangerous for children. I think it's only a matter of time before schools shut down again...in fact, several to my knowledge have. I don’t believe it is more dangerous for children , well it hasn’t been in the UK as fewer cases are seen of under 18’s seriously ill . Not sure where you are but I know a few people now that are double jabbed and caught Covid , including a 16 year going through chemotherapy. She was fine thankfully , so was her mum , dad and 80 year old nan although she was in hospital for a short while . My daughter goes back to school in a week and I’m praying for an uninterrupted year . However , I think Covid will spread round schools like wildfire . As you mentioned, it's not so much the children themselves, but the families they bring the virus home to that is perhaps more of a concern, particularly as many kids may be asymptomatic and may unknowingly pass Covid onto grandparents. I don't have any kids at school, but I'm in my late 50s, fat, mildly asthmatic, and a carer for another vulnerable individual, so I really don't want to put the vaccines to the test if I can avoid it. I'm currently weighing up the potential risks of a couple of concerts I have booked for October, which were postponed from last year. At the moment, I feel reluctant to attend, as if I did go, I don't think I would feel comfortable being amongst crowds of other people.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 29, 2021 16:20:45 GMT
Awful . Did he have the vaccine? To be honest, I'm not sure and I thought it too personal a question to ask the family. But my personal opinion is he didn't get the vaccine. There's a large community here that is anti-vaccine and he sent off that vibe during my interactions with him, such as not wearing a mask when working in our rental. But he was a really nice guy and was always there when my wife and I needed him. Again, he was healthy and loved to work. So it was quite a shock when we found out the news. We knew he was in the hospital but thought a strong guy like him would certainly come around. That seems to be a sad lesson several people have learned to their cost.
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Post by saintjiub on Aug 29, 2021 17:53:23 GMT
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Post by Frank on Aug 29, 2021 18:04:38 GMT
There are some true and ignorant folks in my country. My own brother-in-law refused to take the vaccine and in a sly remark said he'll simple choose to "identify as vaccinated." It's utterly frustrating. But then there are also some good minded folks who truly look out for one another. It's just sad to see such a strong divide on an issue that we should all agree to come together on.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 29, 2021 18:05:58 GMT
but in fairness, they should be completely worm-free. should save a few carpets/rugs from the proverbial Arse-scooting.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 29, 2021 18:49:41 GMT
There are some true and ignorant folks in my country. My own brother-in-law refused to take the vaccine and in a sly remark said he'll simple choose to "identify as vaccinated." It's utterly frustrating. But then there are also some good minded folks who truly look out for one another. It's just sad to see such a strong divide on an issue that we should all agree to come together on. Can you "identify as vaccinated" without some sort of evidence?
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Post by saintjiub on Aug 29, 2021 19:29:09 GMT
There are some true and ignorant folks in my country. My own brother-in-law refused to take the vaccine and in a sly remark said he'll simple choose to "identify as vaccinated." It's utterly frustrating. But then there are also some good minded folks who truly look out for one another. It's just sad to see such a strong divide on an issue that we should all agree to come together on. Can you "identify as vaccinated" without some sort of evidence? There is a mask mandate in Chicago (city). Some businesses in Chicago are requiring proof of vaccination while other businesses just take the person's word for it. Also, fake vaccine records are reportedly relatively easy to obtain.
My manufacturing workplace does not require masks, but I am one of the few who will wear a mask. I realize a mask does me little good, as mask does a poor job of protecting me from the unmasked due to gaps in the mask (particularly around the eyes).
I have been meaning to ask our health insurance / human resource director whether there might be an "unvaccinated" surcharge for the 25% employee portion of health insurance costs.
Although I am obese and diabetic, I am hoping my being vaccinated, that COVID would only produce mild symptoms for me, or at worst, a brief hospitalization.
I have no idea what the mask policy will be for kids attending school. Although the Chicago metro area is doing well COVID-wise, I suspect that there will be another COVID peak now that kids are back in school.
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Post by saintjiub on Aug 29, 2021 19:33:28 GMT
Actually, a mask mandate starts Monday in Illinois, but I have no idea whether the mandate applies to my workplace, or whether my workplace will comply with the mandate. Oh well.
Edit: oops.
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Post by Doughnut on Aug 29, 2021 20:11:24 GMT
To be honest, I'm not sure and I thought it too personal a question to ask the family. But my personal opinion is he didn't get the vaccine. There's a large community here that is anti-vaccine and he sent off that vibe during my interactions with him, such as not wearing a mask when working in our rental. But he was a really nice guy and was always there when my wife and I needed him. Again, he was healthy and loved to work. So it was quite a shock when we found out the news. We knew he was in the hospital but thought a strong guy like him would certainly come around. That seems to be a sad lesson several people have learned to their cost. Yes I most definitely agree with that as they are asymptomatic carries. All we can do is hope the vaccine helps
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Post by Golden Salmon on Dec 18, 2021 16:21:22 GMT
He's vaccinated, it shouldn't be too bad but...
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Post by Doughnut on Dec 18, 2021 16:32:32 GMT
He's vaccinated, it shouldn't be too bad but... I imagine he likely feels like he has the flu or a very bad cold . Fingers crossed he will get better quickly .
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Post by Lord Fickle on Dec 18, 2021 19:30:02 GMT
Hope he's better soon. 🤞
As an observation, I'm not sure if anybody could use it nefariously, but should he be displaying the serial number of his test on his Instagram page?
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Post by badboybez on Dec 18, 2021 23:49:37 GMT
Yeah fancy a few days off work cheers for the pic Bri
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Post by Lord Fickle on Dec 20, 2021 14:56:59 GMT
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Post by Doughnut on Dec 20, 2021 15:21:22 GMT
He has made a good point . Maybe they only contact those with the omicron variant meaning he may have Delta. My daughter tested positive the end of November and was never told what variant she had .
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Post by pg on Dec 20, 2021 20:46:06 GMT
He has made a good point . Maybe they only contact those with the omicron variant meaning he may have Delta. My daughter tested positive the end of November and was never told what variant she had . I think you've missed the point. How would "they" know which variant he has, if "they" don't have access to his test? It's self-administered and there's no requirement to submit the test kit, just the positive / negative result. You can no more assume it's delta variant.
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