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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Mar 5, 2021 10:38:48 GMT
Just listening to Let Me Live in the car this morning - and something that's always fascinated me about the song prompted me to post this.
The Made In Heaven recording sessions - while obviously very emotional for those involved, and a complete labour of love, were also about maintaining the "Queen Sound" despite the absence of arguably the "Queen Trademark" - Freddie.
How do you take a < 1-minute snippet of Freddie vocals and craft it into a full track? Well, obviously, you add verses with other band members singing, but that then sounds a little patchwork doesn't it? So the trick is to crowbar Freddie in wherever possible. A genius move that makes Let Me Live (aka Another Piece Of My Heart, aka Somebody To Love II) bear the indelible Queen stamp. Some of those snippets of Freddie that appear in Roger and Brian's verses (and elsewhere) may have been pieces of the remnants of the original recording, others will have come from elsewhere in the Queen catalog. However, the gaffa tape fixes and joins are so good, that (IMO) had Freddie still been alive and Queen put this recording out as is, no one would bat an eyelid at how it ended up. All of Freddie sounds like he was there throughout the recording. Utter Genius.
One other thing, in among those Freddie snippets there's one very revealing little piece. At 03:36 Freddie clearly sings "in your heart" - and (to my ears) this sounds like it was a direct lift from Let Me In Your Heart Again.
So here's my point. QPL definitely knew of the existence of this song back in 93-95 - despite the previous claims of it being an archive discovery.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Mar 5, 2021 10:45:03 GMT
Got to be honest, it's not one of the songs I regularly listen to, but I will now listen to it again as I hadn't realised that it was quite such a patchwork composition. I had always thought that this was a song from an older session, so the Freddie vocals would have more or less been complete. Did they not record it with Rod Stewart initially?
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Mar 5, 2021 11:00:45 GMT
starting to doubt myself now, i can't find the part of IMIYHA - think I've imagined the whole thing.
however, Let Me Live including the phrase "in your heart" at 03:36 does share a little quirk with Let Me In Your Heart Again.
At 04:12 in LMIYHA Freddie sings "Let Me Live".
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Post by NathanH on Mar 5, 2021 11:34:23 GMT
Unless they used vocals from the Let Me Live multitasks to patch up Let Me In Your Heart Again...
I do think it is several different tracks on LMIYHA as there is some inconsistency in Freddie's vocal delivery but then it might be because it's a demo.
The two songs were recorded in the same studio around the same time, it may have even been the same day so if Let Me Live had guide vocals or anything which Freddie could just come up with on the spot, LMIYHA would've fresh in his mind so he might've just used those vocal lines.
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Post by pg on Mar 5, 2021 17:42:12 GMT
That's a good point. Let me live is not much Freddie, well padded out, as is Beautiful Day and of course YDFM, and yet LMIYHA is a reasonably complete vocal that wasn't used.
Maybe a factor is that the sessions were originally RT/JD, and that demo was for some reason in Brian's archive , as opposed to Queen's, having been used as the guide for Anita's album. By the time Brian's involved, there have probably been a lot of meetings to get access to the two Mr Bad Guy tracks from CBS(?), and they feel like they have enough material already worked up....so Brian has enough on his plate working on what IS there instead of thinking about what isn't.
If they felt they were a song short, they might have looked harder and found it, or they might just have extracted a further track off Mr Bad Guy....
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Post by Golden Salmon on Mar 5, 2021 19:01:47 GMT
If they felt they were a song short, they might have looked harder and found it, or they might just have extracted a further track off Mr Bad Guy.... That's an interesting thought. There's a chance they probably started work on at least a couple more tracks from MBG. I'd bet there may be kinda complete Queen versions of: - There Must Be More To Life Than This - Love Me Like There's No Tomorrow - Man Made Paradise |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Mar 5, 2021 19:15:43 GMT
If they felt they were a song short, they might have looked harder and found it, or they might just have extracted a further track off Mr Bad Guy.... That's an interesting thought. There's a chance they probably started work on at least a couple more tracks from MBG. I'd bet there may be kinda complete Queen versions of: - There Must Be More To Life Than This - Love Me Like There's No Tomorrow - Man Made Paradise could well be. however, - if every song mentioned so far were included - the album would've ended up very over-stuffed with ballads. It's A Beautiful Day
Made In Heaven
Let Me Live
Mother Love
My Life Has Been Saved
Heaven For Everyone
Too Much Love Will Kill You
A Winter's Talethe album is already ballad-heavy, if they'd shortened Track 12 and inserted these three: Let Me In Your Heart Again
There Must Be More To Life Than This
Love Me Like There's No Tomorrowyou'd have Queen's very own version of Val Doonican - Rocks...But Gently  |
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Post by Golden Salmon on Mar 5, 2021 19:21:13 GMT
^Haha, good point. Pretty sure they were just satisfied with how the album turned out. Brian always says it's their best album and it's certainly brilliant all things considered.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Mar 5, 2021 22:37:53 GMT
^Haha, good point. Pretty sure they were just satisfied with how the album turned out. Brian always says it's their best album and it's certainly brilliant all things considered. ...and none of my comments are to imply that any of those tracks are substandard. quite the opposite. most of what has been produced for MIH album and the three tracks for LMIYHA single, are (IMO) (even if not great by Queen standards) far superior to most of Queen's output from 80-86. the band lost me completely (recording-wise) for those six years - i tried to hang about, but each subsequent LP was slightly worse than the previous. Queen started to sound like a plastic version of themselves. From Miracle to Innuendo and (finally) Made In Heaven the band began to sound like Queen again, and recovered a lot of lost ground. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 0:59:54 GMT
They also could have gone the classic Queen album way and had Brian and Roger as lead vocalist on a track or two, not just filling in the gaps left by Freddie.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 1:44:36 GMT
That would've been interesting, especially considering how Brian had grown as a singer in the nineties. I mean, even as far back as the sixties he had an excellent voice and quite a large range, but in the nineties he took everything even further.
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Post by Maxi Dries on Mar 9, 2021 15:19:21 GMT
Just imagine a full length song from Works sessions..."Let me live in your heart again". Mind blowing (?
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Mar 9, 2021 15:30:17 GMT
Just imagine a full length song from Works sessions..."Let me live in your heart again". Mind blowing (? it's not as crazy as some might think. my favourite - and probably one of the first examples of that kind of "single/45" - i think is absolutely brilliant: The Guess Who - No Sugar Tonight / New Mother Nature |
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Post by martinpacker on Mar 10, 2021 9:45:57 GMT
I always wondered why YDFM has Freddie's vocals slowed down - as there are plenty in the song. I suspected recently they were slowed to match the music - which works for me at its current speed. But maybe it's the other way round: Music slowed to match Freddie's vocals slowed.
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Post by fabiogminero on Aug 9, 2021 20:56:22 GMT
starting to doubt myself now, i can't find the part of IMIYHA - think I've imagined the whole thing. however, Let Me Live including the phrase "in your heart" at 03:36 does share a little quirk with Let Me In Your Heart Again. At 04:12 in LMIYHA Freddie sings "Let Me Live". I have listened "Let Me Live" thousand of times in these last 18 years and only now things are clear. I'm listening them just now...I think in "Let Me Live", at 03:36, Freddie actually sings "...in your heart again". Clearly, bits and pieces of both songs were used to fill in the gaps. |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 9, 2021 21:26:12 GMT
I always wondered why YDFM has Freddie's vocals slowed down - as there are plenty in the song. I suspected recently they were slowed to match the music - which works for me at its current speed. But maybe it's the other way round: Music slowed to match Freddie's vocals slowed. the first song that i knew of that deployed this technique, was Beatles' Strawberry Fields Forever. Sometimes bands get a music take they prefer and then speed up/slow down the vocals. |
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Post by georg on Aug 9, 2021 22:30:26 GMT
Re: the Mr Bad Guy songs: I always found it interesting that his biggest solo hit, I Was Born to Love You, wasn’t released on the FM Album. Same with Made In Heaven and Love Me Like There’s No Tomorrow, more moderate successes. Wonder if there was any inkling that they should be saved for the posthumous album.
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Post by pimderks on Aug 10, 2021 6:35:39 GMT
Re: the Mr Bad Guy songs: I always found it interesting that his biggest solo hit, I Was Born to Love You, wasn’t released on the FM Album. Same with Made In Heaven and Love Me Like There’s No Tomorrow, more moderate successes. Wonder if there was any inkling that they should be saved for the posthumous album. Might've been one of the considerations. I think it also would've been a bit "too soon", less than 1 year after his death, to put out a new album with titles about life, death, heaven etc? |
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Post by georg on Aug 10, 2021 12:21:22 GMT
Ah yes, but how about songs with titles about free love, love being dangerous, and love killing…? 😉
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Post by jlf on Aug 10, 2021 12:29:49 GMT
My guess is that Queen Productions already knew that Made In Heaven and I Was Born to Love You were going to be on the final album. Even if Brian, Roger and John weren't sure at that point, Jim Beach would have had his eye on that final album even in 1992 and would have been helping them select tracks.
Regarding the existence of Let Me In Your Heart Again, they probably would have at least been aware that it existed in 1992-1995, but for some reason it just wouldn't have been on the radar. When they were making Made In Heaven they were probably trying to achieve some cohesive theme for the album, which they kind of managed to do. Let Me In Your Heart Again doesn't really fit with that theme, and although it's a beautiful vocal it's a little superficial as a song. There are other songs that were almost finished that could have been used on the album if they'd really wanted, like Self-Made Man (not much Freddie vocal on it though), or some of the outtakes from The Miracle (I guess we're falling out), or even Love Makin' Love, but the quality of these tracks, to me anyway, seem like they're less suited to a bona fide album and better left as an archive project if they were to be officially released at all.
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Post by chadhanging on Aug 14, 2021 10:38:07 GMT
I was always uncomfortable with Brian singing Too Much Love Will Kill You at the tribute. Icky.
Also, I'm surprise Laura Brannign's publishing company didn't sue them for I Was Born to Love You.
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Post by pimderks on Aug 14, 2021 11:27:14 GMT
Also, I'm surprise Laura Brannign's publishing company didn't sue them for I Was Born to Love You. Why? |
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Post by chadhanging on Oct 1, 2021 23:47:45 GMT
Also, I'm surprise Laura Brannign's publishing company didn't sue them for I Was Born to Love You. Why? Because of the keyboards. I guess they were different enough to avoid that. Same as with Invisible Man & I Want a New Drug/Ghostubsters. |
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