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Post by Strange_frontier on Apr 1, 2021 17:48:44 GMT
I like all three but here are my thoughts:
SHOVE IT - Compared to the other two it's slightly below average, but that doesn't mean it's bad. but it's Roger capitalizing on the late'80s fads of dance pop and hip hop. And fitting in quite well. By the way, I prefer Roger's version of Heaven for Everyone. Freddie's has always come off as weird to me, unless it's the Queen version. Shove It and Cowboys and Indians are classics, Love on a Tightrope is seductive, Contact and Rough Justice are pumping, and Stand Up for Love is very reminiscent of gospel. Love Lies Bleeding is somewhat a blur for me. Feel the Force (all of my versions of this album have Feel the Force, so I'm including it) is very uplifting. Best tracks - Shove it, Cowboys and Indians, Contact, Feel the Force Worse tracks* - Love Lies Bleeding, Stand Up for Love
MAD BAD AND DANGEROUS TO KNOW - My favorite of the three, probably even one of my favorite albums of all time. Lots of stylistic diversity as a result of everyone pitching in with the writing**. Its got everything from slow numbers (Better Things, Final Destination, Breakdown) to borderline heavy metal (Top of the World Ma, Penetration Guru) to anthemic songs which should have been hits (Liar, Power to Love) to fun songs (Passion for Trash, Closer to You, Sister Blue). Literally the only complaint I have is that I've never really liked Old Men. I feel like In Charge of My Heart would have fit better with the vibe I get with the album. Despite that, this still makes for a good listen and never gets old even over half a decade after I first heard it. Best tracks - Liar, Breakdown, Sister Blue, Power to Love, Passion for Trash Worse tracks - Top of the World Ma, Closer to You, Old Men (Lay Down)
BLUE ROCK - This for me is roughly on the same level as Mad Bad. I finally got Blue Rock on vinyl recently, and it was worth the fortune I paid for it. The vibe I get from this album is summed up by New Dark Ages and Life Changes (the latter being very moving). Bad Attitude is a deserving sequel to Top of the World Ma, Dirty Mind and Millionaire are really fun, Baby It's Alright and Hand of Fools are relaxing, Ain't Put Nothin Down is super optimistic, and Put It All Down to Love is interesting. The Also Rans is the Old Men of Blue Rock. Though it tries, it doesn't fit with the vibe I get from Blue Rock, and despite the fact that the Also Rans is on there and not Heartland, I still really love Blue Rock. Best tracks - Aint Put Nothin Down, Dirty Mind, Life Changes, Hand of Fools, Millionaire Worse tracks - Put It All Down to Love, The Also Rans
*note I wrote "worse tracks" instead of "worst tracks"...because with the Cross even if the tracks are bad or sub par, they are still listenable but lacking compared to the rest of the albums. **Mad Bad is the only Cross album where each member has at least one track credited to himself. Apart from "Top" (whole group) and "Power" (Josh/Clayton/Peter), Josh and Spike have one each, Clayton and Roger have two each, and Peter has three.
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Post by puma on Apr 1, 2021 17:52:50 GMT
Definitely Blue Rock I was always in love with Ain't Put Nothin Down.
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Post by georg on Apr 1, 2021 17:55:01 GMT
Eh gun to head I would probably say Mad Bad, because it embodies the spirit of the band (recorded and written as a band), while Blue Rock suffers from a lack of Roger and way too much Spike. Shove It should've stayed a solo project, and an EP at that, though I find something charming about the production nowadays. (Not the songwriting, though...)
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Post by Strange_frontier on Apr 1, 2021 18:11:49 GMT
Eh gun to head I would probably say Mad Bad, because it embodies the spirit of the band (recorded and written as a band), while Blue Rock suffers from a lack of Roger and way too much Spike. Shove It should've stayed a solo project, and an EP at that, though I find something charming about the production nowadays. (Not the songwriting, though...) For sure, Mad Bad really shows the full potential of the band in the short time they were together.
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Post by aymeric on Apr 1, 2021 21:22:36 GMT
Definitely not Shove It for me! But I recon the US version is slightly better than the European one. I really love Mad, Bad & Dangerous, but Blue Rock is a perfect album in my humble opinion.
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Post by Strange_frontier on Apr 1, 2021 21:28:14 GMT
Definitely not Shove It for me! But I recon the US version is slightly better than the European one. I really love Mad, Bad & Dangerous, but Blue Rock is a perfect album in my humble opinion. Yeah, the US version of Shove it is far better than the European version.
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Post by Strange_frontier on Apr 3, 2021 6:14:15 GMT
I am surprised Blue Rock is leading this poll. Even if I put Blue Rock up against Mad Bad, the latter would slightly take the edge. But they are both for sure a large improvement from Shove it (which I like as well)
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Post by Golden Salmon on Apr 3, 2021 8:47:20 GMT
"Blue Rock" is definitely the most mature album for obvious reasons. When you add "Heartland" to it, which is maybe their best track, it's even greater!
MBADTK has got some very cool moments, worth your time if you dig Roger's vocals. Nice non-album tracks and versions.
"Shove It" sounds like a very hit-and-miss RT album with guest musicians. Strangely enough, it's got a great track that Queen would eventually make their own. That said, I also agree that the US album is superior to the UK one. Such an odd release.
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Post by oreno on Apr 3, 2021 13:11:27 GMT
'Shove It' sounds like a Roger Taylor solo album morphing into something else. I think the main differences it has with his previous efforts are - the extra instrumentation, guitar riffs/solos, slap bass and so on, which are clearly not played by the man himself - the piled on production, samples etc, which afford a more broad, rich texture to the thing than before - and of course, the numerous Queen references, not to say guest appearances! I like it a lot, mostly the moodiness and murky electro-rock production, as far into that area as any of the band ever went. So quite a unique album that I've still got time for.
Mad Bad is much more 'we are a ROCK band' which seems crazily at odds with what went before. You can barely compare the two album, Roger's voice aside there is pretty much zero common ground. It's a debut album really. Too meat and potatoes for my tastes but I've warmed to some tracks over the years. I'm afraid though I find a lot of the non-Roger stuff alarmingly sub standard, song wise. The approach sort of reminds me of Tin Machine actually, but with none of that album's 'artiness' to lift the songs beyond heavy rock cliche, and for that reason I rate it lowest of the three.
Blue Rock is a triumph on its own terms, better songs and delivery/production all round. It's not as out and out rocking as Mad Bad but gains massively from employing more creative arrangements and textures. The other members' writing contributions are better overall. Probably my favourite of their works though Shove It probably gets more listens.
If nothing else, The Cross (nominally) produced three very different concurrent albums, which is quite impressive.
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Post by Frank on Apr 3, 2021 14:43:34 GMT
Blue Rock is a masterpiece. For me it's right up there with Freddie and Montserrat's Barcelona. Clearly very different and one more revolutionary than the other. A song like Hand Of Fools is enough to make the album incredible, but there's a mood and atmosphere to the record that it absolutely owns. Roger sounds absolutely fantastic, and The Cross are tighter than ever before. I'm not as big a fan of MBADTK...it's solid, but too basic for my tastes. Shove It is largely forgettable with a few groovy moments. But that sampling in the opener is cheesy as hell. My wife who's a casual listener is always startled when I tell her it's Roger. Lol
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Post by macduff77 on Apr 3, 2021 16:04:44 GMT
I think I echo most of the comments above. I chose Blue Rock as my favorite album. The band feel tighter and mature, the songwriting in general had improved and the production/arrangements were much better.
My second favorite is Shove It, particularly the US Version. I love Feel The Force. This one feels more like a Roger solo album, with him experimenting with sounds and arrangements/sampling.
Mad, Bad comes in 3rd. Although it has some great songs on it, the rest of the album isn’t my favorite.
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Post by Strange_frontier on Apr 3, 2021 20:11:15 GMT
"Blue Rock" is definitely the most mature album for obvious reasons. When you add "Heartland" to it, which is maybe their best track, it's even greater! MBADTK has got some very cool moments, worth your time if you dig Roger's vocals. Nice non-album tracks and versions. "Shove It" sounds like a very hit-and-miss RT album with guest musicians. Strangely enough, it's got a great track that Queen would eventually make their own. That said, I also agree that the US album is superior to the UK one. Such an odd release. I do wish that Heartland had made Blue Rock and not the Also Rans... and Mad Bad is a masterpiece. The US Shove it is my version of choice.
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Post by Strange_frontier on Apr 3, 2021 20:13:13 GMT
I think I echo most of the comments above. I chose Blue Rock as my favorite album. The band feel tighter and mature, the songwriting in general had improved and the production/arrangements were much better. My second favorite is Shove It, particularly the US Version. I love Feel The Force. This one feels more like a Roger solo album, with him experimenting with sounds and arrangements/sampling. Mad, Bad comes in 3rd. Although it has some great songs on it, the rest of the album isn’t my favorite. Feel the Force is Shove It's redeeming quality, that's for sure. The US version is my version of choice.
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Post by antonio on Apr 3, 2021 21:12:55 GMT
"Blue Rock" is definitely the most mature album for obvious reasons. When you add "Heartland" to it, which is maybe their best track, it's even greater! MBADTK has got some very cool moments, worth your time if you dig Roger's vocals. Nice non-album tracks and versions. "Shove It" sounds like a very hit-and-miss RT album with guest musicians. Strangely enough, it's got a great track that Queen would eventually make their own. That said, I also agree that the US album is superior to the UK one. Such an odd release. I do wish that Heartland had made Blue Rock and not the Also Rans... and Mad Bad is a masterpiece. The US Shove it is my version of choice.
The Also Rans never was my favourite track, since three years or so i enjoy it a lot.
Heartland could be the replacement of Dirty Mind or Baby It´s Alright.
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Post by Strange_frontier on Apr 20, 2021 8:29:41 GMT
Friendly reminder that Mad Bad is a classic.
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Post by Strange_frontier on Apr 20, 2021 8:31:32 GMT
I like all three but here are my thoughts:
SHOVE IT - Compared to the other two it's slightly below average, but that doesn't mean it's bad. but it's Roger capitalizing on the late'80s fads of dance pop and hip hop. And fitting in quite well. By the way, I prefer Roger's version of Heaven for Everyone. Freddie's has always come off as weird to me, unless it's the Queen version. Shove It and Cowboys and Indians are classics, Love on a Tightrope is seductive, Contact and Rough Justice are pumping, and Stand Up for Love is very reminiscent of gospel. Love Lies Bleeding is somewhat a blur for me. Feel the Force (all of my versions of this album have Feel the Force, so I'm including it) is very uplifting. Best tracks - Shove it, Cowboys and Indians, Contact, Feel the Force Worse tracks* - Stand Up for Love, Love on a Tightrope
MAD BAD AND DANGEROUS TO KNOW - My favorite of the three, probably even one of my favorite albums of all time. Lots of stylistic diversity as a result of everyone pitching in with the writing**. Its got everything from slow numbers (Better Things, Final Destination, Breakdown) to borderline heavy metal (Top of the World Ma, Penetration Guru) to anthemic songs which should have been hits (Liar, Power to Love) to fun songs (Passion for Trash, Closer to You, Sister Blue). Literally the only complaint I have is that I've never really liked Old Men. I feel like In Charge of My Heart would have fit better with the vibe I get with the album. Despite that, this still makes for a good listen and never gets old even over half a decade after I first heard it. Best tracks - Liar, Breakdown, Sister Blue, Power to Love, Passion for Trash, Closer to You Worse tracks - Top of the World Ma, Old Men (Lay Down)
BLUE ROCK - This for me is roughly on the same level as Mad Bad. I finally got Blue Rock on vinyl recently, and it was worth the fortune I paid for it. The vibe I get from this album is summed up by New Dark Ages and Life Changes (the latter being very moving). Bad Attitude is a deserving sequel to Top of the World Ma, Dirty Mind and Millionaire are really fun, Baby It's Alright and Hand of Fools are relaxing, Ain't Put Nothin Down is super optimistic, and Put It All Down to Love is interesting. The Also Rans is the Old Men of Blue Rock. Though it tries, it doesn't fit with the vibe I get from Blue Rock, and despite the fact that the Also Rans is on there and not Heartland, I still really love Blue Rock. Best tracks - Aint Put Nothin Down, Dirty Mind, Life Changes, Hand of Fools, Millionaire Worse tracks - Put It All Down to Love, The Also Rans*note I wrote "worse tracks" instead of "worst tracks"...because with the Cross even if the tracks are bad or sub par, they are still listenable but lacking compared to the rest of the albums. **Mad Bad is the only Cross album where each member has at least one track credited to himself. Apart from "Top" (whole group) and "Power" (Josh/Clayton/Peter), Josh and Spike have one each, Clayton and Roger have two each, and Peter has three.
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Post by mike71 on Jul 10, 2021 16:02:55 GMT
I bought The Cross albums back In the early 90's. I wasn't a fan. Think I sold them back to the record store. I figured I would give Blue Rock a listen on youtube, I couldn't get past song 2. I Just don't hear it with that band. Anyone thinks Bad attitude and Dirty Mind is on the same level as Barcelona and even Back To The Light needs their ears checked.
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Post by macduff77 on Jul 10, 2021 19:24:22 GMT
You make a fair point. In fact, those 2 tracks you mention are (to me) the weakest of the album. Try to give New Dark Ages, Baby It's Alright, The Also Rans, Hand of Fools and Life Changes some spins. Some great tunes there. I bought The Cross albums back In the early 90's. I wasn't a fan. Think I sold them back to the record store. I figured I would give Blue Rock a listen on youtube, I couldn't get past song 2. I Just don't hear it with that band. Anyone thinks Bad attitude and Dirty Mind is on the same level as Barcelona and even Back To The Light needs their ears checked.
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Post by Strange_frontier on Jul 10, 2021 19:27:20 GMT
You make a fair point. In fact, those 2 tracks you mention are (to me) the weakest of the album. Try to give New Dark Ages, Baby It's Alright, The Also Rans, Hand of Fools and Life Changes some spins. Some great tunes there. I bought The Cross albums back In the early 90's. I wasn't a fan. Think I sold them back to the record store. I figured I would give Blue Rock a listen on youtube, I couldn't get past song 2. I Just don't hear it with that band. Anyone thinks Bad attitude and Dirty Mind is on the same level as Barcelona and even Back To The Light needs their ears checked. Such a shame the Cross albums don't get as much credit as they should for being brilliant hidden gems. Bad Attitude and the Also Rans are the low points of Blue Rock for me, but even then it's a great record. Ain't Put Nothin Down and Hand of Fools are worth mentioning for their brilliance.
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Post by antonio on Jul 10, 2021 20:37:51 GMT
I LOVE Bad Attitude...
I prefer MBADTK or Blue Rock instead Back To The Light...Too many fillers on this one...I´m Scared, Love Token, Rolling Over, Nothing But Blue...
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Post by nostairway on Jul 10, 2021 23:06:06 GMT
I do wish that Heartland had made Blue Rock and not the Also Rans... and Mad Bad is a masterpiece. The US Shove it is my version of choice. Also Rans is a nice melancholic track with it's own atmosphere. may be it's more fit for "happiness", but it's here and it works for me.
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Post by daniellikesalbum on Jul 11, 2021 6:40:26 GMT
Going with Mad, Bad here even though all three of these albums have their highlights, the main reason being out of all three of them I enjoyed Mad, Bad the most.
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Post by khizzy on Jul 11, 2021 14:40:53 GMT
When it comes to my favourite albums by the band I find them very easy to rank:
1. Blue Rock 2. Shove It 3. Mad, Bad and Dangerous To Know
Blue Rock is ahead by a long margin. In terms of that album, it’s weird because when I first heard it in 1997 I was underwhelmed and didn’t really give it much of a chance through ignorance because the album didn’t really feature many Roger tracks and it was completely produced by someone from outside of the band (or the wider Queen circle). Over the years I have grown to appreciate the maturity of the songwriting on the album, especially songs such as Life Changes, Hand of Fools and New Dark Ages which are outstanding. Millionaire is a really fun track and you can tell they enjoyed recording it. Life Changes is an absolute epic and the best song by the band, full stop and Roger was the only person that wasn’t involved in the writing of it, amazingly. Heartland is one song that should have made the album and is also one of the best songs by the band, I would have put it in place of Dirty Mind which is a pretty poor track in my opinion with some questionable lyrics. Aside from that there aren’t many other weak tracks in my opinion and to me stands up to a full listen (with a solitary skip).
Shove It was the first Queen solo album I purchased back in 96/97 (can’t remember exactly!) but I do remember that it was the US edition on vinyl and I recall thinking it was ultra rare! One of the biggest problems I have with the album is the length, it’s very short. It’s not the sort of style of album I usually like either but some of the songs on here stand up to repeated listens. My favourite song on the album is Contact, more for the live versions they did back on the Shove It tour (the version they did in hometown of Birmingham is my favourite!) but it’s just a lovely smooth track with some lovely synths. I also love Heaven For Everyone, nowhere near as good as the Queen version but they still did a great job with the original. Love Lies Bleeding is a mental track with some cracking guitar from Mr May! My least favourite tracks are Stand Up For Love (just goes on too long and it’s a bit too upbeat) and Rough Justice and the other tracks are sort of in the middle. Feel The Force could have easily fit on the album and it’s a shame that it wasn’t included!!!
Mad, Bad and Dangerous To Know is an album I don’t really have a lot of time for. I don’t know if it’s because it’s a bit too “live in the studio” sounding for me, or if the songwriting just isn’t up to scratch compared to Blue Rock but I don’t like it much. Now, don’t get me wrong, there are some corkers on this album. I absolutely adore Power To Love and even my best mate who is basically a massive Oasis fan knows this song because I used to play it to death in the late 90s when my Queen obsession was at its peak and I was still discovering all this amazing new stuff! Final Destination is also brilliant but I can’t decide whether I like the original or the version Roger re-recorded with Yoshiki, maybe the latter on balance. I also love Liar, great Peter Noone track! Everything else I’m not overly fussed about, especially Better Things and Passion For Trash which are two of the worst songs recorded by the Cross.
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Post by angusscrimm on Jul 11, 2021 15:15:29 GMT
I personally think all 3 are mince, BUT....Heaven For Everyone and Power To Love were excellent songs, and the artwork for MBADTK is amazing.
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Post by Strange_frontier on Jul 11, 2021 18:54:14 GMT
I do wish that Heartland had made Blue Rock and not the Also Rans... and Mad Bad is a masterpiece. The US Shove it is my version of choice. Also Rans is a nice melancholic track with it's own atmosphere. may be it's more fit for "happiness", but it's here and it works for me. Imho Also Rans would have fit much better on Happiness? or at the very least, switched with Heartland.
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Post by Strange_frontier on Jul 11, 2021 18:54:39 GMT
Going with Mad, Bad here even though all three of these albums have their highlights, the main reason being out of all three of them I enjoyed Mad, Bad the most. Mad Bad is the bomb!
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Post by Strange_frontier on Jul 11, 2021 19:09:30 GMT
When it comes to my favourite albums by the band I find them very easy to rank: 1. Blue Rock 2. Shove It 3. Mad, Bad and Dangerous To Know Blue Rock is ahead by a long margin. In terms of that album, it’s weird because when I first heard it in 1997 I was underwhelmed and didn’t really give it much of a chance through ignorance because the album didn’t really feature many Roger tracks and it was completely produced by someone from outside of the band (or the wider Queen circle). Over the years I have grown to appreciate the maturity of the songwriting on the album, especially songs such as Life Changes, Hand of Fools and New Dark Ages which are outstanding. Millionaire is a really fun track and you can tell they enjoyed recording it. Life Changes is an absolute epic and the best song by the band, full stop and Roger was the only person that wasn’t involved in the writing of it, amazingly. Heartland is one song that should have made the album and is also one of the best songs by the band, I would have put it in place of Dirty Mind which is a pretty poor track in my opinion with some questionable lyrics. Aside from that there aren’t many other weak tracks in my opinion and to me stands up to a full listen (with a solitary skip). Shove It was the first Queen solo album I purchased back in 96/97 (can’t remember exactly!) but I do remember that it was the US edition on vinyl and I recall thinking it was ultra rare! One of the biggest problems I have with the album is the length, it’s very short. It’s not the sort of style of album I usually like either but some of the songs on here stand up to repeated listens. My favourite song on the album is Contact, more for the live versions they did back on the Shove It tour (the version they did in hometown of Birmingham is my favourite!) but it’s just a lovely smooth track with some lovely synths. I also love Heaven For Everyone, nowhere near as good as the Queen version but they still did a great job with the original. Love Lies Bleeding is a mental track with some cracking guitar from Mr May! My least favourite tracks are Stand Up For Love (just goes on too long and it’s a bit too upbeat) and Rough Justice and the other tracks are sort of in the middle. Feel The Force could have easily fit on the album and it’s a shame that it wasn’t included!!! Mad, Bad and Dangerous To Know is an album I don’t really have a lot of time for. I don’t know if it’s because it’s a bit too “live in the studio” sounding for me, or if the songwriting just isn’t up to scratch compared to Blue Rock but I don’t like it much. Now, don’t get me wrong, there are some corkers on this album. I absolutely adore Power To Love and even my best mate who is basically a massive Oasis fan knows this song because I used to play it to death in the late 90s when my Queen obsession was at its peak and I was still discovering all this amazing new stuff! Final Destination is also brilliant but I can’t decide whether I like the original or the version Roger re-recorded with Yoshiki, maybe the latter on balance. I also love Liar, great Peter Noone track! Everything else I’m not overly fussed about, especially Better Things and Passion For Trash which are two of the worst songs recorded by the Cross. I got REALLY into Shove It when I was getting into the Cross back in 2015. Feel the Force should have been on all versions of Shove It! That salvages the album for me. I've always loved Cowboys and Indians and Contact, but Freddie's track on Heaven for Everyone has always weirded me out big time. Unpopular opinion, but I like Roger's take better. The Queen samples on Shove It are quite genius. I used to hate Love Lies Bleeding and Rough Justice, but they've grown on me. The opposite happened to Stand Up for Love. I like Blue Rock just as much as the other two. I used to loop New Dark Ages for days on end, and I feel like that and Life Changes sum up the mood I get from this album. I'd replace the Also Rans with Heartland. Hand of Fools has been growing on me lately, Ain't Put Nothin Down, Dirty Mind, and Millionaire have always been favorites, but I don't like Bad Attitude as much as I used to. I get why some of the material on Mad Bad can be objectionable (ie. Penetration Guru, Passion for Trash) but it's not as totally bonkers as Shove It is. In fact, Mad Bad is a huge step up from Shove It (as is Blue Rock), and it really helped that the other members got to write. Power to Love and Liar are PHENOMENAL! I think the only track I'd skip on Mad Bad is Old Men, but even then the album makes for a great listen. One of the best albums I've ever heard, imho.
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Post by daniellikesalbum on Jul 11, 2021 19:09:49 GMT
Going with Mad, Bad here even though all three of these albums have their highlights, the main reason being out of all three of them I enjoyed Mad, Bad the most. Also, if anyone is interested how I'd rank the albums it would be like this: 1. Mad, Bad 2. Blue Rock 3. Shove It
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Post by georg on Jul 11, 2021 19:10:10 GMT
Mad Bad’s artwork is superb. Both the art and title are wasted on the music, honestly. (I know I said I liked the album too!)
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Post by Strange_frontier on Jul 11, 2021 19:11:23 GMT
Going with Mad, Bad here even though all three of these albums have their highlights, the main reason being out of all three of them I enjoyed Mad, Bad the most. Also, if anyone is interested how I'd rank the albums it would be like this: 1. Mad, Bad 2. Blue Rock 3. Shove It That is my exact same ranking.
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