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Post by Steve on Apr 15, 2020 16:30:04 GMT
Brian said that depicted Freddie's journey to heaven. He meant track "13". Brian never answered the question properly then lol.
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Post by georg on Apr 15, 2020 18:39:29 GMT
Would like to see this with the Innuendo album also.. First songs are (I Think) All Gods People (Africa by Night) Delilah Innuendo ? Don't Try So Hard? Check out the site Seb linked in the initial post: www.queensongs.info/album-statistics/queen/album-dataMost, if not all, of that info was written by Seb.
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Post by Steve on Apr 15, 2020 19:12:56 GMT
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Innuendo Overview Back in the studio shortly after The Miracle and preserving a lot of the same team (with the notable addition of Noel Harris as engineer for the London sessions), Queen laid down material for Innuendo throughout four blocks of sessions (one in late 1989, three in 1990), which included some breaks to attend their other activities.
Innuendo features more guest musicians than The Miracle with the inclusion of Stephen Howe on guitar, Michael Moran on piano and producer David Richards having a lot of uncredited input on synthesisers (he did get a credit for programming, though, so perhaps that covered it).
Available Sources No photographs from these sessions have been released to the public (if they exist at all), let alone footage. The EPK included some scenes filmed inside Metropolis Studios in Chiswick (London) and they showed a bit of the lay-out, which is also visible in the video for 'Headlong' as that was mimed there.
As Brian's home studio had already been completed before sessions for this album, it's possible (though not by any means confirmed) he'd done some demos there. The Fan Club claimed, back when the album was being made, that both Olympic and The Town House were scheduled as venues for it. Months later, when it was released, they were both omitted from the credits. It could be that the decision was reversed or that they simply didn't include them. 'All God's People', at least, is confirmed to have been at least partially done at The Town House.
The Mercury Phoenix Trust hosted an event on Saturday 30th September 2017 at Metropolis Studios in London. It was named Back to the Tapes and focused on this album, having engineers Noel Harris and Justin Shirley-Smith playing some separate tracks and answering some questions. Dates were revealed, myths were busted (e.g. Frederick having owned the 10 ft Fazioli piano that the studios had).
No multi-tracks have leaked so far, but there are stems from 'The Show Must Go On' as it was included in the videogame Rock Band 3 as part of the second Queen Extravaganza Pack released on Tuesday 6th December 2011.
Documented Timeline 1989: Late November: Frederick writes to the Fan Club, commenting on the video for 'The Miracle' and announcing plans to start recording a new album in November/December at Mountain Studios. The Fan Club announces plans for an album titled Alternative Miracle, scheduled for a February 1990 release. It's also confirmed that The Cross finished recording their sophomore album in Switzerland. Preliminary ideas for 'Bolero' at Mountain in Montreux. December: Work on at least three songs at this point: 'Try So Hard', 'Innuendo' and 'You & Me'. Monday 4th: Work begins on 'I'm Going Slightly Mad'. Sunday 31st: Queen attend an ITV Special and are voted Band of the Eighties. Frederick Mercury's penultimate public television appearance. 1990: February: Sunday 18th: Queen attend the BPI Awards at the Dominion Theatre. That marks Frederick Mercury's last public appearance on telly. Later that same evening, Queen celebrate their 20th anniversary with a party at the Groucho Club in London. Amongst the attendees are Roderick Stewart, Liza Minelli, Melvin Smith, David Gilmore, George Michael, Simon LeBon, Stephen Fry and Robert Geldof - many of the most widely spread photographs of Queen members with them come from these celebrations. March: Monday 12th: Recording sessions for the album resume at Metropolis in Chiswick, London, England. Friday 16th: John writes a letter to the Fan Club, revealing the four of them are in London with David Richards discussing vocals and guitars on a new song called 'Don't Try So Hard'. Thursday 22nd: Work commences on 'The Show Must Go On'. May - June: Queen take a break from recording. Fan Club magazine: Brian's letter mentions four tracks have been mixed by then and are apparently finished. He also reveals Frederick to have a new kitty. The Information Section comments on Brian working on a soundtrack for Macbeth and having spent three weeks with David Richards and Michael Moran tracking some material for his solo album. September: Tuesday 18th: Roger writes a letter to the Fan Club, announcing the album's to be titled Innuendo and confirming some song titles: 'Innuendo', 'I'm Going Slightly Mad', 'Headlong' and 'Ride the Wild Wind'. He also confirms having a brand new maple Ludwig drum kit, which he's using on the album, and comments on John missing some of the sessions at the moment as he's in Biarritz on holiday. November: Frederick writes to the Fan Club for the last time, and confirms the album's just been finished. 1991: January: Monday 14th: The lead single is released internationally. In Parlophone territories, it's 'Innuendo' / 'Bijou', while in Hollywood Records, it's 'Headlong' / 'All God's People'. Saturday 26th: The Chart Information Network reveals 'Innuendo' to have been the best-selling single of the week in Britain, replacing 'Sadeness (Part I)' by Enigma. It'd be knocked out a week later by '3 a.m. Eternal' by The KLF ft. Children of the Revolution. February: Friday 1st: Three days before having been officially released, the album's got enough pre-orders to be certified Silver and Gold in Britain, having already sold 60,000 and 100,000 copies, respectively. Monday 4th: Album released in the UK. Saturday 16th: The Official Charts Company reveals Innuendo to have been the best-selling album of the week in the UK, replacing Doubt by Wiltshire band Jesus Jones. It'd remain there a second week before being knocked out by American musician Oleta Adams and her album Circle of One. March: Friday 1st: The album is certified Platinum in the UK for having sold 300,000 copies. 'Innuendo', the lead single, is certified Silver in the same territory for having sold 200,000 copies. April: Wednesday 3rd: The album is certified Gold in America for having earned a million dollars worth of sales in that country. Documented Recording Venues Metropolis Studios on 70 Chiswick High Road, Chiswick, Hounslow, Greater London W4 1SY, England. Mountain Studios in the Casino Barrière on 9 Theatre Road, Montreux, Vaud 1820, Swiss Confederation. Olympic Sound Studios on 117 Church Road, Barnes, Richmond-upon-Thames, Greater London SW13, England. The Town House on 150 Goldhawk Road, Shepherd's Bush, Royal Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham, Greater London W12 8EN, England. Documented Personnel Performers: The band: John Deacon: Electric bass, digital synthesisers, MIDI programming. Brian May: Backing vocals, electric guitars, digital synthesisers, acoustic piano, MIDI programming. Frederick Mercury: Lead and backing vocals, acoustic piano, digital synthesisers, MIDI programming. Roger Taylor: Lead and backing vocals, acoustic drums, digital synthesisers, MIDI programming. Guest musicians: Stephen Howe: Electric guitar. Michael Moran: Acoustic piano, digital synthesisers, drum computer, MIDI programming. David Richards: Digital synthesisers, MIDI programming. Studio & Technical Crew: Deputy Producer & Chief Engineer: David Richards. Assistant Engineers: John Brough: Town House. Mark Christopher: Metropolis (ambience coordinator). Andre Gauchat: Mountain. Noel Harris: Metropolis. Justin Smith: Mountain. Ian Sylvester: Metropolis. Equipment Supervisors: Martin Groves. Brian Zellis. Sundry: Peter Chant: Accountant. Terrence Giddings: Personal assistant (Frederick). Karen Goodman: Studio manager (Metropolis). Melanie Martin: Personal assistant (Brian - in America). Sally Temple: Personal assistant (Roger). Documented Instruments Acoustic Pianos: Bösendorfer (Unknown Model): Town House. Steinway B 6' 10": Mountain. Steinway (Unknown Model): Olympic and Town House. Electric Basses: Fender Precisions: 1955 Masterbuilt: Possibly a spare, but perhaps used somewhere. 196?: John had two (black and natural), which may have been his main ones. 1981 Special: Possibly a spare, but perhaps used somewhere. 1983 Elite: Possibly used alongside the main ones. Non-Fenders: Giffin Bespoke: Possibly a spare, but perhaps used somewhere. Kramer DMZ: Most likely merely a spare, but could've also been used somewhere. Music Man Stingray: Possibly a spare, but perhaps used somewhere. Warwick Buzzard: Possibly a spare, but perhaps used somewhere. Electric Guitars: BHM Bespoke: Brian's main. Gibson Chet Atkins CE: 'Innuendo' (alongside the BHM, of course). Guild Bespoke: Brian's spare. Percussion: Ludwig Bespoke Acoustic Drums: Roger's main kits (he had several of them). Ludwig Ringer Acoustic Timpani: Possibly used on 'All God's People' and the title track. Synthesisers: E-mu Emulator II+: Possibly used on 'All God's People'. Korg M1: Main synth on the album, used virtually everywhere except for 'All God's People'. Oberheim OB-X: Reportedly used on 'The Show Must Go On' alongside the Korg M1. Roland D-50: Possibly used on 'All God's People'. Sequential Circuits Prophet 5: Possibly used on 'All God's People'. Documented Studio Equipment Tape Recorders: Sony 3324 24-Track Digital: Mountain. Studer A-80 24-Track Analogue: Town House, Mountain. Mixing Consoles: Neve 8048: Mountain. There was also a Neve at Metropolis (alongside the SSL), which may or may not have been the same model. SSL 4000-G: Town House, Olympic and Metropolis. Microphones: Electrovoice RE-20: Bass-drum at Mountain. Schoeps CK-1: Possibly used for at least some backing vocals. Shure SM-58: Guitars, and also vocals, especially when Frederick was too ill to go into the record booth. Computers: Apple Mac II. Atari 1040-ST. Linn 9000: Drum programming. Software: C-Lab Notator. Passport Master-Track Pro. Compressors/Limiters: dbx 266-XL. Fairchild Valve. Neve. UREI LA-2A. Delay Machines: AMS Digital: Used on drums and guitars. Eventide DDL-1745: Town House. Lexicon 224-XL: Town House. Publison: Favoured by David Richards. MXR M-175: Town House. Sundry Equipment: EMT 140 Plate Reverb. Friendchip SRC-AT Synchroniser. MDB Window Recorder Digital Sampler. Myths, Legends & Ongoing Debates Authorship: Same as with The Miracle, songs on this album were credited to all four band members (except for 'All God's People' which was credited to Queen/Moran), eliciting heated debates over the years. In a nutshell: It's more or less a universal consensus that Brian wrote 'Headlong' and 'I Can't Live with You' for his solo album and then he gave them to the band. Very few would argue those two. Likewise, it's been more or less accepted that Roger wrote 'Ride the Wild Wind' (confirmed by Brian in a 1991 interview as well), Frederick wrote 'Delilah' for his cat and 'All God's People' was a Mercury/Moran collaboration. Back in 1991, loads of people mistakenly believed Frederick to have been the main author of 'The Show Must Go On' and 'These Are the Days of Our Lives' because of the lyrics and his terminal disease, but over the years different live witnesses have repeatedly cleared up that Brian and Roger, respectively, were the main authors. 'I'm Going Slightly Mad' has been widely accepted as musically Frederick's, though the lyrics are more disputed. Apparently, loads of people took turns at coming up with memorable one-liners, including the rest of the band, Frederick's entourage and Peter Straker. How much any of that would/could/should count as co-authorship is open to debate. 'The Hitman' is largely disputed to this day. Brian explained (Rip, 1991) that most of the riff had come from Frederick, and than then he (Brian) took it over and changed the arrangement to make it playable on guitar, and then John Deacon re-arranged the track and made changes. 'Innuendo' started off as a jam session, and it's been more or less accepted that Frederick started off the lyrics but then Roger completed them. It's the music that is most argued about: some people mistakenly credit it to Roger (he wrote most of the lyrics, but not the music) and some people mistakenly credit it all to Frederick (he was heavily involved, but it was collaborative). What Frederick certainly wrote on his own was the waltz bit in the middle ('you can be anything you want to be...'). The flamenco interlude seems to have been started off by Brian (the entire 'through the sorrow...' part) and then further developed by Brian and Frederick. 'Bijou' is another long-winded debate: most people assume it's Brian's because it's got a lot of guitar (newsflash: non-guitarists can also arrange guitar parts, just like Brian didn't play clarinet but could and did arrange clarinet melodies more than once). Brian's confirmed it was a collaboration between him and Frederick, further admitting the latter had had a lot to do with the guitar parts (even having sung the initial line which started them off) and he (Brian) having had a lot to do with the vocal lines. The string part was Frederick's, according to David Richards (Queen File, 2001). 'Don't Try So Hard' is the saddest case of all in terms of the misuse of a proper research in the beginning: since the remaining 11 tracks seemed to have had little to no Deacon involvement at all, people in the nineties decided to 'give' this one to John because, apparently, he had to have penned at least one track per album. Granted, he'd written songs on every record from Sheer Heart Attack to The Miracle (and it was, in fact, averagely one per album), but that doesn't mean at all that it was impossible for him not to have been the (main) author of anything on Innuendo. As a matter of fact, both Brian and David Richards cleared up (2006 and 2001, respectively) that Frederick was the main (though not sole) author here. 'All God's People' for Barcelona: Because of the joint Queen/Moran credit, many people mistakenly believe 'All God's People' to have been a Barcelona reject turned into a Queen song. Not so: as confirmed by Michael Moran himself, it was written for a solo album (i.e. not a duet) Frederick was working on in 1987 and which got aborted because Montserrat Caballé got in touch with them and proposed the collaboration. In other words, 'All God's People' was made before the Barcelona project, but not for it. Stephen Howe on 'Innuendo': It's widely known that Yes/Asia guitarist Stephen 'Steve' Howe guested on the title track, but what most people tend to mistake is the extent of his input. Stephen played the chromatic runs and the (exceptional) flourishes on the flamenco section, but most of the solo was still Brian (both the 'acoustic' and the 'electric' bits). 'The Hitman' for Back to the Light: Because Brian wrote 'Headlong' and 'I Can't Live with You' for his solo album and because he's one of the main authors of 'The Hitman' (see above), some people - including some otherwise excellent websites - mistakenly claim 'The Hitman' was initially penned for Brian's album as well. The fact there's a demo of Brian singing the first verse is further used as 'evidence'. As far as it's been documented, 'The Hitman' was, from beginning to end, written for the Queen record, and the reason Brian sang it on the demo was that Frederick was ill and the record label wanted to hear some rough versions, so the other chief co-author took over, that was all.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 15, 2020 20:39:52 GMT
Would like to see this with the Innuendo album also.. First songs are (I Think) All Gods People (Africa by Night) Delilah Innuendo ? Don't Try So Hard?
All God's People was worked on during The Miracle sessions, so it goes back to 1988 at least. That's almost certainly the earliest one.
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Post by Billblackman on Apr 15, 2020 22:12:00 GMT
Great read, very interesting!
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Post by Dean on Apr 22, 2020 19:14:04 GMT
Hey man,
Read this years ago when you originally posted. Fantastic job compiling all of that information and sharing it with the community. Made In Heaven is probably my favourite Queen album, fantastic record. Does a finished version of Let Me Live with Roderick on co-lead vocals exist do we think, or just a quick demo that was scrapped?
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Post by Steve on Apr 22, 2020 19:23:06 GMT
Roderick lol. I hope a full version does exist.
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Post by Dean on Apr 22, 2020 20:33:47 GMT
Roderick lol. I hope a full version does exist. The man divides opinion, but in his pomp, certainly one of the finest vocalists of his generation. That collaboration is something I would love to hear in all of it's glory!!!
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Post by emrabt on Apr 22, 2020 20:55:46 GMT
Rod is one of the few singers who managed to regain his voice after throat cancer was cut out of his throat muscles, I mean it's not near what it was, but if you look at other people who have had similar it's impressive, Julie Andrews total lost hers after a nodule operation and has never really been able to sing since.
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Post by Steve on Apr 22, 2020 21:04:37 GMT
Rod is one of the few singers who managed to regain his voice after throat cancer was cut out of his throat muscles, I mean it's not near what it was, but if you look at other people who have had similar it's impressive, Julie Andrews total lost hers after a nodule operation and has never really been able to sing since. I really like Rod. His album Human is fantastic.
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Post by angusscrimm on Apr 24, 2020 23:52:03 GMT
We've come a long way since I asked if the "Bonkers" fan club version of IGSM was possibly Freddie's last vocal recording lol
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Post by baronlutenvank on Apr 25, 2020 4:57:04 GMT
Hey man, Read this years ago when you originally posted. Fantastic job compiling all of that information and sharing it with the community. Made In Heaven is probably my favourite Queen album, fantastic record. Does a finished version of Let Me Live with Roderick on co-lead vocals exist do we think, or just a quick demo that was scrapped? The closest we got to it existing was its short appearance on the Great Pretender documentary, though.
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Post by Dimitris on Apr 29, 2020 15:01:08 GMT
Yeah vocal line comes from action this day.
Also what going on with Frederick? ... It is like an obsessive compulsion. Freddie wanted to be his public name since first album.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 17:58:23 GMT
It's a bit of a leap to diagnose someone else via online messages on an entertainment forum (or two, or three, in this case).
No, it's not a compulsion: I don't 'need' to refer to him as 'Frederick', but I choose to, and that's absolutely fine, just like you don't 'need' to refer to him as 'Freddie' but (at least based on your last message) you choose to, and that's absolutely fine as well.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 29, 2020 18:47:42 GMT
So, just a quick question - with regards the four 'new' songs started in 1991, were they the only four songs they had, or did they choose those four from a bigger batch? If the latter, do we know what happened to any other potential ideas around that time? Presumably they wouldn't have known how long Freddie would be able to carry on, so they wouldn't have consciously limited themselves to four new songs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 22:56:20 GMT
I don't think it was conscious: it was more like that's all they managed to come up with.
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Post by Dimitris on Apr 30, 2020 5:32:37 GMT
It's a bit of a leap to diagnose someone else via online messages on an entertainment forum (or two, or three, in this case). No, it's not a compulsion: I don't 'need' to refer to him as 'Frederick', but I choose to, and that's absolutely fine, just like you don't 'need' to refer to him as 'Freddie' but (at least based on your last message) you choose to, and that's absolutely fine as well. You are right it was little far to do that, keep posting your great info. Is there any info how some songs were recorded lke what kind of effects, amplifiers, microphone set ups etc were used?
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Post by rogercz on May 8, 2020 9:36:48 GMT
Martin Skala, known as Mr Scully, who runs the website Queenconcerts.com and as famous collector being in touch with people around the group, wrote recently in some online forum an interesting information from David Richards. He said that Richards claimed that John wasn't wery much involved during Innuendo sessions and at least part of the bass parts was recorded by hired session artist. Nobody would probably confess it if it is true and Richards sadly passed away so nor he can tell us more. Martin has no proof for that, only said what he was told by Richards himself. Why would the famous music engineer lied about something like that?
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Post by Steve on May 8, 2020 10:34:15 GMT
Martin Skala, known as Mr Scully, who runs the website Queenconcerts.com and as famous collector being in touch with people around the group, wrote recently in some online forum an interesting information from David Richards. He said that Richards claimed that John wasn't wery much involved during Innuendo sessions and at least part of the bass parts was recorded by hired session artist. Nobody would probably confess it if it is true and Richards sadly passed away so nor he can tell us more. Martin has no proof for that, only said what he was told by Richards himself. Why would the famous music engineer lied about something like that? Surely that can't be true?!
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 8, 2020 10:48:18 GMT
Martin Skala, known as Mr Scully, who runs the website Queenconcerts.com and as famous collector being in touch with people around the group, wrote recently in some online forum an interesting information from David Richards. He said that Richards claimed that John wasn't wery much involved during Innuendo sessions and at least part of the bass parts was recorded by hired session artist. Nobody would probably confess it if it is true and Richards sadly passed away so nor he can tell us more. Martin has no proof for that, only said what he was told by Richards himself. Why would the famous music engineer lied about something like that? Surely that can't be true?! Given how hard Fred's death was said to have hit John, I wouldn't put it beyond the realms of possibility that he missed some of the recording sessions because he couldn't handle the situation with Freddie as it was.
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Post by Steve on May 8, 2020 10:49:46 GMT
Surely that can't be true?! Given how hard Fred's death was said to have hit John, I wouldn't put it beyond the realms of possibility that he missed some of the recording sessions because he couldn't handle the situation with Freddie as it was. When you put it like that, I see why it could possibly be true.
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Post by martinpacker on May 20, 2020 8:18:26 GMT
Is there significance in Track 13 being called "Track 13" and not "Track 12", apart from the superstition angle? If not then "Yeah!" could've been at the end of Track 11 - "IABD (R)".
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on May 20, 2020 8:31:51 GMT
Is there significance in Track 13 being called "Track 13" and not "Track 12", apart from the superstition angle? If not then "Yeah!" could've been at the end of Track 11 - "IABD (R)". could well be a "gimmick" thing - a very chronistic, a la mode thing to do. in the mid-90s lots of artists did things with hidden tracks/weird "end of CD" track listings. i seem to recall one (maybe Robbie Williams) whose CD had several minutes of silence between two or three hidden tracks.
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Post by badboybez on May 20, 2020 8:46:21 GMT
Is there significance in Track 13 being called "Track 13" and not "Track 12", apart from the superstition angle? If not then "Yeah!" could've been at the end of Track 11 - "IABD (R)". could well be a "gimmick" thing - a very chronistic, a la mode thing to do. in the mid-90s lots of artists did things with hidden tracks/weird "end of CD" track listings. i seem to recall one (maybe Robbie Williams) whose CD had several minutes of silence between two or three hidden tracks. Quite a few artists did this gimmick back in the 90's - long silence after the last track - then either another song or 'play out'
Brian did it on Another World.
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 20, 2020 9:18:37 GMT
could well be a "gimmick" thing - a very chronistic, a la mode thing to do. in the mid-90s lots of artists did things with hidden tracks/weird "end of CD" track listings. i seem to recall one (maybe Robbie Williams) whose CD had several minutes of silence between two or three hidden tracks. Quite a few artists did this gimmick back in the 90's - long silence after the last track - then either another song or 'play out'
Brian did it on Another World.
Yes, it was bloody annoying as when you initially put the CD in, you thought you had a much longer album than it actually was!
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Post by funinspace81 on May 21, 2020 1:30:18 GMT
could well be a "gimmick" thing - a very chronistic, a la mode thing to do. in the mid-90s lots of artists did things with hidden tracks/weird "end of CD" track listings. i seem to recall one (maybe Robbie Williams) whose CD had several minutes of silence between two or three hidden tracks. Quite a few artists did this gimmick back in the 90's - long silence after the last track - then either another song or 'play out'
Brian did it on Another World.
And Roger with "Electric Fire". The "One Night Stand" sentence was the keyword to gain access to bonus contents on his site and there was also a fan mix contest going around. At the time, ONS was an exclusive website track in RM format. Three years later, the "WAV" version leaked and in 2013 it was the opening track for the follow-up album, of course in a very different version.
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Post by jlf on Jun 2, 2020 17:34:56 GMT
I have a question about "Lost Opportunity" being one of the "four songs" that Roger mentioned in October 1991.
Lost Opportunity was already released on the Slightly Mad single in March 1991, it's on the 12" and CD. Why would Roger count that as one of the four new songs in October 1991? Was it that they attempted a version with Freddie on vocals that hasn't surfaced? Was it that it wasn't one of the four songs? Or was it that there weren't four songs but only three at that point? Could Self-Made Man have been one of the four songs instead of Lost Opportunity?
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Post by georg on Jun 2, 2020 19:52:58 GMT
He might have forgotten that it was on the 12" and CD single; it's not exactly a standout track (even though I love it).
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Post by emrabt on Jun 2, 2020 20:03:43 GMT
I had a theory about that 4 songs thing, i thought You don't fool me might have started life as two songs (You don't fool me and mamma said) based mostly on the whole "pieced together from scraps" thing and nothing else...
But that was totally blown out of the water by Gary Taylor when he said the song had the bridge in the lyrics which were more or less fully formed.
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Post by jlf on Jun 2, 2020 22:05:36 GMT
Yeah it always sounded like You Don't Fool Me was, while not fully finished by Freddie, at least finished in the form of having a verse and chorus sung by him.
Did I read somewhere that Freddie was in Switzerland until September 91? Does anybody know what he was doing there? Does Peter Freestone's book shed any light on it?
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