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Post by n39 on May 8, 2021 18:36:31 GMT
Did David Richards play the rhythmic piano on Under Pressure? Not the G-D chords on the intro, but rather the chords in the verse.
I downloaded the 23-track multitrack, and a document in the folder stated that the piano track (track 6) was played by him.
I always thought it was Freddie but now I'm a little unsure.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 13:07:50 GMT
Back when he was alive, he used to tell the story a lot. He also said it when interviewed by a Belfast radio station back in 2006 IIRC. Queen records had several instances of uncredited guests, such as Giuseppe Solera playing saxophones on 'Action This Day', Roy Baker playing stylophone at the end of 'Seven Seas of Rhye', Reinhold Mack adding synth overdubs to 'Rock It'.
'Under Pressure', and its parent album for that matter, had no performance credits, so it wasn't specified who played what at all, leaving it all wide open.
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Post by n39 on May 10, 2021 9:06:32 GMT
So if David himself claimed to have played the part, we can take that as evidence to assume that's definitely the case...?
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Post by jo on May 10, 2021 13:33:10 GMT
'It was late in the studio and everyone had left except David Bowie and me. He wanted to add some piano to the track and was upstairs trying to find something. After a while he came down to the control room and said ''you have a go''. I said but who will do the recording? Bowie said ''I'll do the recording and you go upstairs and play the piano''. I panicked at the idea of leaving Bowie in the control room but went up. I played the 2 notes on the piano and David said ''that's exactly what I was looking for.'' David Richards
It's quite an embellishment if untrue, which would be contrary to Richard's reputation.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 14:45:20 GMT
So if David himself claimed to have played the part, we can take that as evidence to assume that's definitely the case...? No: we can take that as evidence to suppose that's probably what happened, unless there's ever some stronger evidence to support or deny such claim (e.g. footage, a detailed log or diary from the sessions).
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Post by n39 on May 10, 2021 16:49:53 GMT
'It was late in the studio and everyone had left except David Bowie and me. He wanted to add some piano to the track and was upstairs trying to find something. After a while he came down to the control room and said ''you have a go''. I said but who will do the recording? Bowie said ''I'll do the recording and you go upstairs and play the piano''. I panicked at the idea of leaving Bowie in the control room but went up. I played the 2 notes on the piano and David said ''that's exactly what I was looking for.'' David Richards It's quite an embellishment if untrue, which would be contrary to Richard's reputation. Okay, this suggests that David (Richards) played the 'bell-like' G-D chords that appear alongside the bass riff at the start of the song, not the piano in the main body of the song. Also, do you have a link to this interview?
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Post by jo on May 10, 2021 18:07:29 GMT
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Post by n39 on May 11, 2021 10:49:35 GMT
Thanks. I did look on the QZ archive, and saw that David (Richards) put out some distressing posts during his illness, regarding not having financial support from Queen in his last few years, despite having played on the record and initially agreeing not to receive any money from the sale of UP. This surely must confirm that he was indeed the pianist on the track, and if so, a shame not to have been credited by the band and Bowie.
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Post by Bohardy on May 22, 2021 11:09:22 GMT
When the multitracks came out and I listened to the isolated piano track for the first time, I knew something was up. It just wasn't Freddie or Brian's playing. I think at that time I assumed it had to be Bowie. But later on we (or I) started hearing David Richards explaining that it was he, and it all made sense.
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Post by billy on Aug 6, 2022 14:53:10 GMT
This is from the booklet in the 2017 David Bowie box set "A New Career in a New Town (1977 - 1982)"
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Post by georg on Aug 7, 2022 12:25:07 GMT
Like most here, I have heard Under Pressure many, many times since I first became aware of it, and in all those listens – hundreds, if not thousands – I have never heard saxophone anywhere on that song.
I’m not pointing that out to discredit the credits; I’d really just like to know where there’s any saxophone on Under Pressure.
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Post by pg on Aug 7, 2022 12:32:07 GMT
Like most here, I have heard Under Pressure many, many times since I first became aware of it, and in all those listens – hundreds, if not thousands – I have never heard saxophone anywhere on that song. I’m not pointing that out to discredit the credits; I’d really just like to know where there’s any saxophone on Under Pressure. Also no BVs for Brian or Freddie?
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Post by antonio on Aug 7, 2022 14:06:05 GMT
Maybe there is a saxophone track recorded but not used in the final mix. Or very very buried in the mix...
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Post by Golden Salmon on Aug 7, 2022 15:18:40 GMT
Like most here, I have heard Under Pressure many, many times since I first became aware of it, and in all those listens – hundreds, if not thousands – I have never heard saxophone anywhere on that song. I’m not pointing that out to discredit the credits; I’d really just like to know where there’s any saxophone on Under Pressure. It may not be featured in the final mix, but saxophone can be heard clearly on raw multitrack mixes. Just check my signature. Also, I guess Brian was kind of uncomfortable with Bowie, given the stories, how he didn't get to sing in the song (discarded vocals in the multitrack too), and more importantly, it's so strange there's no guitar solo or any prominent guitar moment in the whole song.
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Post by mayniac79 on Aug 8, 2022 3:40:22 GMT
Also on the original multitrack tape is no saxophone on any track!
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Post by Dimitris on Aug 8, 2022 3:58:26 GMT
It is buried on the original mix 2:42 & few bars later. Interesting is that there is not guitar solo. The only time Brian did solo was on radio improvision over the original song. Very similar solo was done on rh mix.
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Post by eventidespace1 on Feb 14, 2024 18:55:41 GMT
Since David Richards recalled playing just two notes, I do think I have found the part that matches his description... There is a muffled piano-sounding part that starts around 2:50. That has two notes, with each note played in succession. You have a F# on one beat, followed by D on the next beat, and that repeats through to the end.
This part can be listened to more clearly on the multitrack - it's a very distant-sounding part, like a piano part was fed through a guitar amplifier and miked at a distance. Could have been a tech issue... Nonetheless, it fits well with the ending. Hope this makes sense!
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Feb 14, 2024 19:08:41 GMT
Since David Richards recalled playing just two notes, I do think I have found the part that matches his description... There is a muffled piano-sounding part that starts around 2:50. That has two notes, with each note played in succession. You have a F# on one beat, followed by D on the next beat, and that repeats through to the end. This part can be listened to more clearly on the multitrack - it's a very distant-sounding part, like a piano part was fed through a guitar amplifier and miked at a distance. Could have been a tech issue... Nonetheless, it fits well with the ending. Hope this makes sense! i possibly (mis)understood that track 6 of the multitrack was David Richards?
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Post by eventidespace1 on Feb 14, 2024 21:45:57 GMT
Since David Richards recalled playing just two notes, I do think I have found the part that matches his description... There is a muffled piano-sounding part that starts around 2:50. That has two notes, with each note played in succession. You have a F# on one beat, followed by D on the next beat, and that repeats through to the end. This part can be listened to more clearly on the multitrack - it's a very distant-sounding part, like a piano part was fed through a guitar amplifier and miked at a distance. Could have been a tech issue... Nonetheless, it fits well with the ending. Hope this makes sense! i possibly (mis)understood that track 6 of the multitrack was David Richards? That's not track 6, the track I'm referring to is track 16 (now that I've checked my multitrack files)... It has bleed from the original live take but part of it was recorded over with that distant/distorted piano part. That part is most consistent with David Richards' recollection stated upthread. Track 6 is the main piano part, which could have been played anybody, really.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Feb 14, 2024 22:29:31 GMT
i possibly (mis)understood that track 6 of the multitrack was David Richards? That's not track 6, the track I'm referring to is track 16 (now that I've checked my multitrack files)... It has bleed from the original live take but part of it was recorded over with that distant/distorted piano part. That part is most consistent with David Richards' recollection stated upthread. Track 6 is the main piano part, which could have been played anybody, really. okay, so if what you state is accurate, how much of this (the info file that was with the 24-track) is accurate? 01 Piano double-strikes. (Headphone leak of alternate vocals, including harmonized ‘Do you care?’ line before the bridge.) 02 Bass-drum mic. 03 Snare mic. 04 Room mic for drums. Guitar prominent in headphone / monitor leak. 05 Room mic for drums. Guitar prominent in headphone / monitor leak (louder). 06 Piano track played by David Richards. 07 Red Special. 08 Red Special 2. 09 Bass guitar. 10 Pseudo-trumpet fanfares (Headphone leak of alternate vocals.) Ends with heavy bass piano strike. 11 Synth double-strikes.(Headphone leak of backing tracks.) Ends with heavy bass piano strike. 12 Handclaps and finger-clicks; Roger audibly keeping time. Fred at 2:10: “Need a clap there.” 13 Twelve-string guitar. 14 Twelve-string guitar 2. 15 Bowie backing vocals: WOOO! AHHH! (Twelve-string headphone leak.) Bowie double-tracked vocals: “Cos love’s such a . . .” 16 Room audio cuts out at 2:12. From thereon, synth bee-bops. Massive burp at end. “Right.” 17 Alternate lead vocals. 18 Fred ad-lib ‘“Let me out!” + People on streets refrain x 2. (Headphone leak of alternate vocals.) Fred’s ascending falsetto at 2 minutes. Roger’s lead vocal from 2:50 onward. Under Pressure refrain. Ends with finger clicking. 19 Synth double-strikes.(Headphone leak of lead vocals.) People on Streets refrain. 20 Familiar lead vocals (sans Bowie’s final part, which appears in track 15, and is doubled with Rog’s lead on track 18 in the mixed piece). 21 Hammond organ from 1:40 onwards. (Headphone leak of lead vocals.) 22 Lead vocals—snippets; not full parts. Hammond organ from 1:40 onwards. 23 Lead vocals—snippets; not full parts (alternate). At 3:19: Fred “It’s coming now.” Bowie: “Hey?”
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Post by dane on Feb 15, 2024 14:28:46 GMT
That's not track 6, the track I'm referring to is track 16 (now that I've checked my multitrack files)... It has bleed from the original live take but part of it was recorded over with that distant/distorted piano part. That part is most consistent with David Richards' recollection stated upthread. Track 6 is the main piano part, which could have been played anybody, really. okay, so if what you state is accurate, how much of this (the info file that was with the 24-track) is accurate? 01 Piano double-strikes. (Headphone leak of alternate vocals, including harmonized ‘Do you care?’ line before the bridge.) 02 Bass-drum mic. 03 Snare mic. 04 Room mic for drums. Guitar prominent in headphone / monitor leak. 05 Room mic for drums. Guitar prominent in headphone / monitor leak (louder). 06 Piano track played by David Richards. 07 Red Special. 08 Red Special 2. 09 Bass guitar. 10 Pseudo-trumpet fanfares (Headphone leak of alternate vocals.) Ends with heavy bass piano strike. 11 Synth double-strikes.(Headphone leak of backing tracks.) Ends with heavy bass piano strike. 12 Handclaps and finger-clicks; Roger audibly keeping time. Fred at 2:10: “Need a clap there.” 13 Twelve-string guitar. 14 Twelve-string guitar 2. 15 Bowie backing vocals: WOOO! AHHH! (Twelve-string headphone leak.) Bowie double-tracked vocals: “Cos love’s such a . . .” 16 Room audio cuts out at 2:12. From thereon, synth bee-bops. Massive burp at end. “Right.” 17 Alternate lead vocals. 18 Fred ad-lib ‘“Let me out!” + People on streets refrain x 2. (Headphone leak of alternate vocals.) Fred’s ascending falsetto at 2 minutes. Roger’s lead vocal from 2:50 onward. Under Pressure refrain. Ends with finger clicking. 19 Synth double-strikes.(Headphone leak of lead vocals.) People on Streets refrain. 20 Familiar lead vocals (sans Bowie’s final part, which appears in track 15, and is doubled with Rog’s lead on track 18 in the mixed piece). 21 Hammond organ from 1:40 onwards. (Headphone leak of lead vocals.) 22 Lead vocals—snippets; not full parts. Hammond organ from 1:40 onwards. 23 Lead vocals—snippets; not full parts (alternate). At 3:19: Fred “It’s coming now.” Bowie: “Hey?” Isn't there also an unused Brian main vocal section in the middle-8 (bridge)? Or is that on the Alternate Lead Vocals from track 17?
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Post by eventidespace1 on Feb 15, 2024 18:40:54 GMT
That's not track 6, the track I'm referring to is track 16 (now that I've checked my multitrack files)... It has bleed from the original live take but part of it was recorded over with that distant/distorted piano part. That part is most consistent with David Richards' recollection stated upthread. Track 6 is the main piano part, which could have been played anybody, really. okay, so if what you state is accurate, how much of this (the info file that was with the 24-track) is accurate? 01 Piano double-strikes. (Headphone leak of alternate vocals, including harmonized ‘Do you care?’ line before the bridge.) 02 Bass-drum mic. 03 Snare mic. 04 Room mic for drums. Guitar prominent in headphone / monitor leak. 05 Room mic for drums. Guitar prominent in headphone / monitor leak (louder). 06 Piano track played by David Richards. 07 Red Special. 08 Red Special 2. 09 Bass guitar. 10 Pseudo-trumpet fanfares (Headphone leak of alternate vocals.) Ends with heavy bass piano strike. 11 Synth double-strikes.(Headphone leak of backing tracks.) Ends with heavy bass piano strike. 12 Handclaps and finger-clicks; Roger audibly keeping time. Fred at 2:10: “Need a clap there.” 13 Twelve-string guitar. 14 Twelve-string guitar 2. 15 Bowie backing vocals: WOOO! AHHH! (Twelve-string headphone leak.) Bowie double-tracked vocals: “Cos love’s such a . . .” 16 Room audio cuts out at 2:12. From thereon, synth bee-bops. Massive burp at end. “Right.” 17 Alternate lead vocals. 18 Fred ad-lib ‘“Let me out!” + People on streets refrain x 2. (Headphone leak of alternate vocals.) Fred’s ascending falsetto at 2 minutes. Roger’s lead vocal from 2:50 onward. Under Pressure refrain. Ends with finger clicking. 19 Synth double-strikes.(Headphone leak of lead vocals.) People on Streets refrain. 20 Familiar lead vocals (sans Bowie’s final part, which appears in track 15, and is doubled with Rog’s lead on track 18 in the mixed piece). 21 Hammond organ from 1:40 onwards. (Headphone leak of lead vocals.) 22 Lead vocals—snippets; not full parts. Hammond organ from 1:40 onwards. 23 Lead vocals—snippets; not full parts (alternate). At 3:19: Fred “It’s coming now.” Bowie: “Hey?” The multitrack I have doesn't have any additional track information file whatsoever. Just has Track 1, Track 2 and so on. With the album version mix chucked in there for reference. All I can say is, use your ears to judge for yourself... Do bear in mind some of the bleed comes from adjacent tracks on the 24-track, not just headphones. Track 16 - yes, it is more of a room mic capturing the initial live take. But that "bee-boop" part sounds nothing like a synth to me, more like a distorted piano part. Track 6 - again, that's the main piano part. But was it really played by Dave Richards as the description claims?? I'm sorry, I very much doubt the accuracy of that information. Cannot find anything to verify if that really is David Richards' part (could be anyone). Point is, I wouldn't exactly trust an information file like that on a multitrack... It isn't necessarily a credible source from a facts/historical POV, unless you have track sheets and studio notes to support it. Which we don't in this case. So best thing is, use your ears and go figure.
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Post by eventidespace1 on Feb 15, 2024 18:42:58 GMT
okay, so if what you state is accurate, how much of this (the info file that was with the 24-track) is accurate? 01 Piano double-strikes. (Headphone leak of alternate vocals, including harmonized ‘Do you care?’ line before the bridge.) 02 Bass-drum mic. 03 Snare mic. 04 Room mic for drums. Guitar prominent in headphone / monitor leak. 05 Room mic for drums. Guitar prominent in headphone / monitor leak (louder). 06 Piano track played by David Richards. 07 Red Special. 08 Red Special 2. 09 Bass guitar. 10 Pseudo-trumpet fanfares (Headphone leak of alternate vocals.) Ends with heavy bass piano strike. 11 Synth double-strikes.(Headphone leak of backing tracks.) Ends with heavy bass piano strike. 12 Handclaps and finger-clicks; Roger audibly keeping time. Fred at 2:10: “Need a clap there.” 13 Twelve-string guitar. 14 Twelve-string guitar 2. 15 Bowie backing vocals: WOOO! AHHH! (Twelve-string headphone leak.) Bowie double-tracked vocals: “Cos love’s such a . . .” 16 Room audio cuts out at 2:12. From thereon, synth bee-bops. Massive burp at end. “Right.” 17 Alternate lead vocals. 18 Fred ad-lib ‘“Let me out!” + People on streets refrain x 2. (Headphone leak of alternate vocals.) Fred’s ascending falsetto at 2 minutes. Roger’s lead vocal from 2:50 onward. Under Pressure refrain. Ends with finger clicking. 19 Synth double-strikes.(Headphone leak of lead vocals.) People on Streets refrain. 20 Familiar lead vocals (sans Bowie’s final part, which appears in track 15, and is doubled with Rog’s lead on track 18 in the mixed piece). 21 Hammond organ from 1:40 onwards. (Headphone leak of lead vocals.) 22 Lead vocals—snippets; not full parts. Hammond organ from 1:40 onwards. 23 Lead vocals—snippets; not full parts (alternate). At 3:19: Fred “It’s coming now.” Bowie: “Hey?” Isn't there also an unused Brian main vocal section in the middle-8 (bridge)? Or is that on the Alternate Lead Vocals from track 17? yes, Brian's unused part is on track 17. In fact, all the unused vocal parts with alternate lyrics are all blended together on that track. Bounced down onto that track, to be more technical about it.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Feb 16, 2024 11:06:59 GMT
Point is, I wouldn't exactly trust an information file like that on a multitrack... It isn't necessarily a credible source from a facts/historical POV, unless you have track sheets and studio notes to support it. Which we don't in this case. So best thing is, use your ears and go figure. agreed. but additionally, one person's "ears" do not equate to a definitive answer either. the opinion of a listener is just that. the only way anyone will know absolutely - and without question - is if someone who was there at the time confirms who played what - and where. based on who we have of the original 7 who we know were present for some (if not all) of the sessions: Bowie - no possibility of confirmation now, for obvious reasons Deacon - ain't going to come out of retirement to comment, and (likely) knows nothing definite anyway. Mack - probably not present. but may know exactly who/what was played on the individual 24 tracks May - an unreliable memory of some straightforward events, so can't imagine he has anything reliable to add. Mercury - no possibility of confirmation now, for obvious reasons Richards - no possibility of confirmation now, for obvious reasons Taylor - a much better memory that the Dr, but does he have anything first-hand to add?
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Post by pg on Feb 16, 2024 11:25:46 GMT
RT's memory ain't that great either. "Better than Brian's" is not a high bar...
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Post by eventidespace1 on Feb 16, 2024 12:01:31 GMT
Point is, I wouldn't exactly trust an information file like that on a multitrack... It isn't necessarily a credible source from a facts/historical POV, unless you have track sheets and studio notes to support it. Which we don't in this case. So best thing is, use your ears and go figure. agreed. but additionally, one person's "ears" do not equate to a definitive answer either. the opinion of a listener is just that. the only way anyone will know absolutely - and without question - is if someone who was there at the time confirms who played what - and where. based on who we have of the original 7 who we know were present for some (if not all) of the sessions: Bowie - no possibility of confirmation now, for obvious reasons Deacon - ain't going to come out of retirement to comment, and (likely) knows nothing definite anyway. Mack - probably not present. but may know exactly who/what was played on the individual 24 tracks May - an unreliable memory of some straightforward events, so can't imagine he has anything reliable to add. Mercury - no possibility of confirmation now, for obvious reasons Richards - no possibility of confirmation now, for obvious reasons Taylor - a much better memory that the Dr, but does he have anything first-hand to add? I did find a quote Roger Taylor, where he suggested that Bowie played the piano (from the Queensongs.info website Quotes section): Roger: I think the process was we were all drunk in the studio, and just for fun we were playing all sorts of old songs - I remember a couple of Cream songs - and whatever came into our heads, and I think David said, “look, hang on a minute, why don't we write our own?” I think he started on piano. We got this backing track down, and we got the riff and we got the bass thing together [...] (Absolute Radio, 17 August 2011) Or at least that was when they tracked the song. The piano part from the live take appears to have been re-recorded afterwards - you'll hear the original piano part bleed into the drum ambience tracks (track 4-5) and on track 16. The original part repeated the intro chords at the very end (where the fingersnaps come in). I did find a similar David Richards radio interview to the one mentioned upthread on YouTube. Around the 17:26 mark he starts talking about when he did his part, which was after everyone had left... Bowie was at the desk, directing him to play "blink, blonk" (he didn't say specifically if it's two notes, though). That could refer to the intro chords or that distorted/distant piano part I was talking about.
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Post by eventidespace1 on Feb 22, 2024 16:09:08 GMT
Peter Hince was also present for the Under Pressure sessions, although he doesn't remember exactly who played what. As he told me, he feels Bowie played the piano parts, but definitely remembers him doing a keyboard part that sounds like a hunting horn (the synth heard on tracks 11 & 19).
Also Peter: "There were several other things recorded during the Under Pressure sessions and I know David Richards did play piano on at least one track." That's all he can remember.
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