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Post by Maxi Dries on May 29, 2021 16:44:05 GMT
While I was looking at this amazing site, Bowie Bible, under the 'pressure' entry I found some interesting info: "The ‘Cool Cat’ session turned into an impromptu jam session, from which ‘Under Pressure’ emerged. The music rights organisation BMI lists three further songs registered to David Bowie and Queen, for which no further information is known. The titles are ‘Ali’, ‘It’s Alright’, and ‘Knowledge’." source: www.bowiebible.com/songs/under-pressureNice to read from a DB-related source some new stuff (at least for me). Of course, there's a lot of more data, like the mixing sessions, the jams...
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 29, 2021 17:00:18 GMT
While I was looking at this amazing site, Bowie Bible, under the 'pressure' entry I found some interesting info: "The ‘Cool Cat’ session turned into an impromptu jam session, from which ‘Under Pressure’ emerged. The music rights organisation BMI lists three further songs registered to David Bowie and Queen, for which no further information is known. The titles are ‘Ali’, ‘It’s Alright’, and ‘Knowledge’." source: www.bowiebible.com/songs/under-pressureNice to read from a DB-related source some new stuff (at least for me). Of course, there's a lot of more data, like the mixing sessions, the jams... You can imagine how difficult those sessions might have been between all of the various personalities involved.
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Post by Steve on May 29, 2021 17:21:12 GMT
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Post by georg on May 29, 2021 21:32:12 GMT
Those three titles are not Queen/Bowie songs – they’re other artists’ songs that sample Under Pressure.
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Post by The Real Wizard on May 30, 2021 12:12:26 GMT
Those three titles are not Queen/Bowie songs – they’re other artists’ songs that sample Under Pressure. Correct. They jammed Cream tunes before they started working on Under Pressure. The only other track done with Bowie was Cool Cat, and pretty sure that was before these sessions.
@sebastian - have you got a timeline for the various 1981 sessions ?
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Post by ThomasQuinn on May 30, 2021 14:40:07 GMT
From the Greg Brooks-interview thread, I got this (at least according to GB, so "citation missing and needed" if you will):
Arnaldo Ogre- Avatar May 24, 2021 4:31:47 GMT 2 Arnaldo Ogre- said: It's very interesting that he mentions that one or two unheard songs from each album in different finalizing stages exist. Pitty only our grandsons will get to hear that. If they can be bothered to...
I also found it very interesting to know that they jammed to old Bowie songs during or around the Under Pressure sessions. I did not recall that. I remembered mentions to cover songs and Cream comes to mind, but not Bowie songs. It might just be my memory, though.
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Post by The Real Wizard on May 30, 2021 14:43:36 GMT
Pretty sure none of the guys have said they jammed Bowie tunes that day. Nor would someone want to jam their own tunes when they're off the clock and just visiting friends nearby. You break the ice by playing things you enjoy in common.
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Post by georg on May 30, 2021 14:57:36 GMT
I seem to recall maybe Peter Hince saying they jammed to All the Young Dudes, which makes sense.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on May 30, 2021 15:32:40 GMT
They jammed Cream tunes before they started working on Under Pressure. The only other track done with Bowie was Cool Cat, and pretty sure that was before these sessions. @sebastian - have you got a timeline for the various 1981 sessions ? i would suspect that the "archivist" has such great knowledge of music, that he'll correct us all - claiming “I Feel Free” as a Bowie original? ...although that would involve time-travel - as Bowie didn't record his "original" until 27 years after Cream covered it.
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Post by The Real Wizard on May 30, 2021 16:00:12 GMT
I seem to recall maybe Peter Hince saying they jammed to All the Young Dudes, which makes sense. Indeed - and that'd probably even be fun for Bowie, as that one hadn't been in his repertoire for ages by then.
I just can't picture him in that period hanging out with friends doing Rebel Rebel.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 21:08:44 GMT
Roger Taylor (Absolute Radio, 17.08.2011): ‘I think the process was we were all drunk in the studio, and just for fun we were playing all sorts of old songs - I remember a couple of Cream songs - and whatever came into our heads, and I think David said, “look, hang on a minute, why don’t we write our own?” I think he started on piano. We got this backing track down, and we got the riff and we got the bass thing together, so we had this pretty good backing track, and Freddie and David would go in and have a go and just sing what came into their heads but one wasn’t allowed to listen to the other, and it was quite amusing and this sort of went through the night and then we had this sort of strange track the other day.’That would neither confirm nor deny the possibility of them doing non-Cream numbers, including Bowie's, or even Queen's. Can you imagine David singing something like 'Drowse'? Roger would get so elated he'd practically implode!
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Post by dysan on May 31, 2021 7:34:30 GMT
As an aside, I Feel Free would've been interesting as the Queen guys would've seen Bowie and The Spiders playing it live when they saw him in early 1972. As you see below, Mott would be good candidates to jam as both Queen and Bowie share history with them and Cream were a mutual interest. There's a bootleg of outtakes from the Mott's All The Young Dudes album sessions jamming stuff like Shakin' All Over with Lou Reed so it's not unthinkable these guys just get together and play whatever is on their mind that particular day. 1980-82 were weird years for Bowie. Having delivered his final LP for RCA and untoured since 1978, he was in a strange hinterland of reissues and stand alone singles as he counted down his RCA contract before moving on to EMI with 1983's Let's Dance. Away from music and concentrating on acting, I think he would've been interested in letting off steam playing anything with a band with no strings attached as he had always done. The life of a solo artist is very different to a band - despite having regular musicians, he was able to pick who he wanted for different projects, be it try outs or just mucking around. Only in 1977 he'd toured as Iggy Pop's keyboard player. There's a famous picture of him on sax during a jam at Peter Seller's house in 1975: "He ran through a few blues numbers with an impromptu group called Trading Faces. Comprising: Bowie (saxophone), Bill Wyman (bass), Ron Wood (guitar), Joe Cocker (vocals), Jesse Ed Davis (guitar), Danny Kortchmar (guitar), Bobby Keys (saxophone) Nigel Olsson (drums), Keith Moon (organ, vocal, drums) and Steve Madaio (trumpet)." He would be happy to do old Bowie songs - see a session in December 1979 which he threw together some self covers (Panic In Detroit, Space Oddity and apparently Rebel Rebel) and performed various TV shows (SNL, Johnny Carson, Dick Clark’s Salute To The Seventies) with thrown together backing bands. I doubt Freddie or Brian would have resisted playing a few Bowie intros and I can picture Bowie correcting them or telling a story about how Ronson nailed that solo as he knew they were at heart, fanboys. There was an article in The Guardian from 2017: Hince knew Bowie well, having worked as one of his roadies “in the Ziggy and Diamond Dogs days “They just started knocking things around. They did cover versions [and] a few of their own things" The revelation will be published in a forthcoming book on Bowie by Neil Cossar, a music historian. In one passage, Hince recalls: “They … performed some original songs they did together and also covers. They were just jamming in the studio and it all got recorded – All the Young Dudes, All the Way from Memphis and various rock classics.” Speaking to the Guardian on Wednesday, Hince said there was no question that the recordings exist. Hince said of the unreleased recordings: “There’s stuff with Freddie and David singing together – proper full-length rock’n’roll tracks … Raw, but good.” And again in 2021: A new conversation with Taylor and Brian May in a special one-shot edition of Record Collector dedicated to Queen reveals that further recordings exist from those sessions, including covers of songs by Cream. “If we look to the archives, yeah, there’s probably stuff,” says Taylor. “We would do the odd thing like covering old Cream songs. I remember we did NSU and I Feel Free, just for a laugh really, and then we decided, ‘Let’s write one for ourselves.’” EDIT: Worth noting too that Bowie actually had a studio crack at I Feel Free as recently 1980 during the Scary Monsters album - an instrumental has turned up on bootlegs entitled ' Is There Life After Marriage'
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Post by The Real Wizard on May 31, 2021 9:50:26 GMT
He would be happy to do old Bowie songs - see a session in December 1979 which he threw together some self covers (Panic In Detroit, Space Oddity and apparently Rebel Rebel) and performed various TV shows (SNL, Johnny Carson, Dick Clark’s Salute To The Seventies) with thrown together backing bands. Shows what I know. Impressed with your Bowie knowledge ! In one passage, Hince recalls: “They … performed some original songs they did together and also covers. They were just jamming in the studio and it all got recorded – All the Young Dudes, All the Way from Memphis and various rock classics.” Add it to the list of reasons why Brian May doesn't like Peter Hince. Brian evades questions like these with ferocity, and decades of mystique are vanquished when Ratty opens his mouth once.
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Post by georg on May 31, 2021 11:12:32 GMT
In that case, we need Ratty, or we’d never know this stuff existed.
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