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Post by peace on Jul 15, 2021 15:06:05 GMT
Hello! In this post I would like to talk about a discovery I made a while ago, which was about the Seattle show on March 13, 1977. As you can read from the title, it's about the song See What a Fool I've Been in particular, and how it was possibly performed at this show.
So, first I noticed that on Seattle's recording, there's no God Save the Queen. This isn't uncommon, but this show in particular not having it on the recording stuck out to me. I noticed that there was around 20 seconds of silence in total before the recording cuts out after the Jailhouse Rock medley. I checked with other shows, and there's nowhere near the same length of silence before they play the God Save the Queen tape as there is here. This made me wonder, but the theory didn't really go further, and I just kind of forgot about it for a while.
Now, fast forward to yesterday, and I got into conversation about it with a couple of friends, when a part of the review was posted. It states: "There were three encores before a tape of "God Save the Queen" ended the night." This is the entire review, which was linked on queenlive.ca.
You can see the part of the review in question here:
This would mean that the band came back out again for a third encore after the Jailhouse Rock medley, and played See What a Fool I've Been, which at this point would be the final encore song on the shows it was played at (although e.g. the Golders Green '73, and Portland '74 show have it in the middle of the set). I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I thought I would share it anyway, as it doesn't seem to be the case.
So yeah, that's it. If you have anything to contribute or add to this in any way, please do share. Cheers!
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jul 15, 2021 16:25:37 GMT
SWAFIB doesn't appear on any of the other recordings from the early-'77 USA tour, so I'm wondering where your hunch originates? my understanding was that the encore around that time would be any 3 or 4 from ♦ Big Spender ♦ Jailhouse Rock ♦ Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting ♦ Stupid Cupid ♦ Be-Bop-A-Lula
I wasn't aware of SWAFIB having been reintroduced into the setlist
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Post by peace on Jul 15, 2021 17:08:36 GMT
SWAFIB doesn't appear on any of the other recordings from the early-'77 USA tour, so I'm wondering where your hunch originates? my understanding was that the encore around that time would be any 3 or 4 from ♦ Big Spender ♦ Jailhouse Rock ♦ Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting ♦ Stupid Cupid ♦ Be-Bop-A-Lula I wasn't aware of SWAFIB having been reintroduced into the setlist Those songs you mentioned are all part of one encore. The first encore was always (for this tour leg and the previous A Night at the Opera tour) Now I'm Here, the second was Big Spender into Jailhouse Rock (and other songs would be thrown in from time to time, as sort of a medley, but still the same encore nonetheless). I don't think you can really call it part of any tour setlist in particular, as it was a song they played pretty sporadically regardless of the tour (in the mid 70's). We don't currently have a recording of See What a Fool I've Been from the NA A Day at the Races tour leg, but it could very well have been played regardless, and the fact that a third encore was mentioned makes this all the more likely. I don't think they would have prepared another song for the third encore, though anything is likely I guess. But because See What a Fool I've Been was also performed in October the same year as the final song of the set, at the We are the Champions video shoot concert, I think it's likely that they would still be using the song for a third encore. Keep in mind that the two first encores were also the same as on the Opera tour.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 15, 2021 17:15:03 GMT
Hello! In this post I would like to talk about a discovery I made a while ago, which was about the Seattle show on March 13, 1977. As you can read from the title, it's about the song See What a Fool I've Been in particular, and how it was possibly performed at this show.
So, first I noticed that on Seattle's recording, there's no God Save the Queen. This isn't uncommon, but this show in particular not having it on the recording stuck out to me. I noticed that there was around 20 seconds of silence in total before the recording cuts out after the Jailhouse Rock medley. I checked with other shows, and there's nowhere near the same length of silence before they play the God Save the Queen tape as there is here. This made me wonder, but the theory didn't really go further, and I just kind of forgot about it for a while.
Now, fast forward to yesterday, and I got into conversation about it with a couple of friends, when a part of the review was posted. It states: "There were three encores before a tape of "God Save the Queen" ended the night." This is the entire review, which was linked on queenlive.ca.
You can see the part of the review in question here:
This would mean that the band came back out again for a third encore after the Jailhouse Rock medley, and played See What a Fool I've Been, which at this point would be the final encore song on the shows it was played at (although e.g. the Golders Green '73 show has it in the middle of the set). I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I thought I would share it anyway, as it doesn't seem to be the case.
So yeah, that's it. If you have anything to contribute or add to this in any way, please do share. Cheers!
Good to see the nice positive review of Thin Lizzy as support.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jul 15, 2021 18:14:10 GMT
SWAFIB doesn't appear on any of the other recordings from the early-'77 USA tour, so I'm wondering where your hunch originates? my understanding was that the encore around that time would be any 3 or 4 from ♦ Big Spender ♦ Jailhouse Rock ♦ Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting ♦ Stupid Cupid ♦ Be-Bop-A-Lula I wasn't aware of SWAFIB having been reintroduced into the setlist Those songs you mentioned are all part of one encore. The first encore was always (for this tour leg and the previous A Night at the Opera tour) Now I'm Here, the second was Big Spender into Jailhouse Rock (and other songs would be thrown in from time to time, as sort of a medley, but still the same encore nonetheless). I don't think you can really call it part of any tour setlist in particular, as it was a song they played pretty sporadically regardless of the tour (in the mid 70's). We don't currently have a recording of See What a Fool I've Been from the NA A Day at the Races tour leg, but it could very well have been played regardless, and the fact that a third encore was mentioned makes this all the more likely. I don't think they would have prepared another song for the third encore, though anything is likely I guess. But because See What a Fool I've Been was also performed in October the same year as the final song of the set, at the We are the Champions video shoot concert, I think it's likely that they would still be using the song for a third encore. Keep in mind that the two first encores were also the same as on the Opera tour. well, i'd say it was part of various setlists. not being played every night wouldn't be the criteria. there will be plenty of songs they played sporadically, however, if the band rehearsed a song then these still count as "setlist". SWAFIB had not really been played for a year or so? so i'd say if it was played (no evidence for this thus far) then it would count as a reintroduction - even if a sporadic one. i'd also counter that a reviewer's write-up stating 3 encores can be down the reviewer's own subjective opinion of what counts as 3 encores: five songs in 3 parts, or three songs in one medley, or in 3 separate songs. we'll never know for sure. finally, you don't provide any specific grounds for any "missing encore" actually being SWAFIB, surely it could just as easily be any other song not in the setlist for that specific night?
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Post by peace on Jul 15, 2021 19:25:17 GMT
Those songs you mentioned are all part of one encore. The first encore was always (for this tour leg and the previous A Night at the Opera tour) Now I'm Here, the second was Big Spender into Jailhouse Rock (and other songs would be thrown in from time to time, as sort of a medley, but still the same encore nonetheless). I don't think you can really call it part of any tour setlist in particular, as it was a song they played pretty sporadically regardless of the tour (in the mid 70's). We don't currently have a recording of See What a Fool I've Been from the NA A Day at the Races tour leg, but it could very well have been played regardless, and the fact that a third encore was mentioned makes this all the more likely. I don't think they would have prepared another song for the third encore, though anything is likely I guess. But because See What a Fool I've Been was also performed in October the same year as the final song of the set, at the We are the Champions video shoot concert, I think it's likely that they would still be using the song for a third encore. Keep in mind that the two first encores were also the same as on the Opera tour. well, i'd say it was part of various setlists. not being played every night wouldn't be the criteria. there will be plenty of songs they played sporadically, however, if the band rehearsed a song then these still count as "setlist". SWAFIB had not really been played for a year or so? so i'd say if it was played (no evidence for this thus far) then it would count as a reintroduction - even if a sporadic one. i'd also counter that a reviewer's write-up stating 3 encores can be down the reviewer's own subjective opinion of what counts as 3 encores: five songs in 3 parts, or three songs in one medley, or in 3 separate songs. we'll never know for sure. finally, you don't provide any specific grounds for any "missing encore" actually being SWAFIB, surely it could just as easily be any other song not in the setlist for that specific night? For sure, it still does count as part of the setlist. We can't say if it was a reintroduction or not, as we don't have any other recordings of it from the tour. And yes, it is down to the opinion of what they would consider to be 3 encores. But the thing is that the entire Jailhouse Rock medley is not as much a bunch of songs after each other, as much as it's Jailhouse Rock with a bunch of references thrown in and extra songs being referenced. Even Big Spender segues very neatly into the song. I don't think it's a huge possibility that they'd consider every single extra song thrown into Jailhouse Rock as a different encore. It'd be around five encores then, but the reviewer only mentions three. This lines up perfectly with the fact that they leave the stage after each encore they do. The first time they come back after In the Lap of the Gods Revisited, it'd be the first encore. Second time, the second encore and so on... I haven't seen someone with a different definition of that yet, although it is possible. The reason I speculate it being See What a Fool I've Been, is because that was the song they always did as an extra encore around that era. On the Sheer Heart Attack tour, and on the Opera tour in particular. Sure, it could be another song, but I haven't heard of a single time where they did another song for a third encore that wasn't See What a Fool I've Been (before the News of the World Tour). For now, I think the safest bet would be that song, although, it is very much possible that it was another song they played. At the very least, we know there's an encore missing from the recording. Not only that, but there is also evidence of See What a Fool I've Been being played at Inglewood 3/2, on the same tour leg as this show, according to this review: (The review was published on March 26th 1977: Written by Justin Pierce.) "When I first saw Queen a couple of years back, there was no doubt in my mind that they were going to be simply huge. At their Forum appearance, Queen demonstrated why many are willing to say that they are the most exciting '70's group on the concert stage today. While bands like the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, and the Who continue to thrive on their past triumphs, Queen are providing rock with a sorely needed shot in the arm. The evening opened on an uplifting note when Freddie Mercury, assuming a confident stage pose and dressed in a white karate-patterned jump suit launched into a vociferous version of Brian May's 'Tie Your Mother Down.' Although Mercury's theatrical stance borrows from the of the prance and swagger of Mick Jagger and the posey showmanship of Robert Plant, he is a uniquely charismatic lead singer, possessing an absolutely gorgeous voice. With his pirouetting moves and specially designed leotards, he could probably be considered the Rudolf Nureyev of rock. Along with Mercury, guitarist Brian May, bassist John Deacon and drummer Roger Taylor provide Queen with a multi-faceted talent. It's a rarity trying to find a band in which every member provides songs. Though Queen incorporated numerous flash bombs and exciting lighting effects, it was their musicianship and superb material that carried the programme. Every member of the band got at least a couple of opportunities during which they could showcase their instrumental skill. The real impact of Queen's set becomes apparent during the last half hour when they showcase their rock roots with such tunes as 'Liar,' 'Stone Cold Crazy,' and 'Now I'm Here.' 'Hey, Big Spender,' which has always been their encore, worked exceedingly well as Freddie stripped from a kimono into a tight swimsuit outfit. The evening closed with 'See What a Fool I've Been.' All in all, Queen presented a stunning performance that would be hard to match by anyone's standards." The closing lines: " The evening closed with 'See What a Fool I've Been.' All in all, Queen presented a stunning performance that would be hard to match by anyone's standards." These two photos of the Inglewood show also back up this claim: Notice how Brian's pants are different between the two photos, and both have Freddie with the outfit he'd wear for the second encore. (Credits to Kieran for the review, and NastyQueenie for pointing out the two photos on the Queen Discord)
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Post by Sammy B. Willickers on Jul 15, 2021 19:40:36 GMT
Hello! In this post I would like to talk about a discovery I made a while ago, which was about the Seattle show on March 13, 1977. As you can read from the title, it's about the song See What a Fool I've Been in particular, and how it was possibly performed at this show.
So, first I noticed that on Seattle's recording, there's no God Save the Queen. This isn't uncommon, but this show in particular not having it on the recording stuck out to me. I noticed that there was around 20 seconds of silence in total before the recording cuts out after the Jailhouse Rock medley. I checked with other shows, and there's nowhere near the same length of silence before they play the God Save the Queen tape as there is here. This made me wonder, but the theory didn't really go further, and I just kind of forgot about it for a while.
Now, fast forward to yesterday, and I got into conversation about it with a couple of friends, when a part of the review was posted. It states: "There were three encores before a tape of "God Save the Queen" ended the night." This is the entire review, which was linked on queenlive.ca.
You can see the part of the review in question here:
This would mean that the band came back out again for a third encore after the Jailhouse Rock medley, and played See What a Fool I've Been, which at this point would be the final encore song on the shows it was played at (although e.g. the Golders Green '73 show has it in the middle of the set). I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I thought I would share it anyway, as it doesn't seem to be the case.
So yeah, that's it. If you have anything to contribute or add to this in any way, please do share. Cheers!
I think you could be on to something here, the only thing that I could add to this is that they also played SWAFIB in the middle of the concert at Portland in early 1974. Other than that, seems pretty spot on
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Post by peace on Jul 15, 2021 19:43:08 GMT
Hello! In this post I would like to talk about a discovery I made a while ago, which was about the Seattle show on March 13, 1977. As you can read from the title, it's about the song See What a Fool I've Been in particular, and how it was possibly performed at this show.
So, first I noticed that on Seattle's recording, there's no God Save the Queen. This isn't uncommon, but this show in particular not having it on the recording stuck out to me. I noticed that there was around 20 seconds of silence in total before the recording cuts out after the Jailhouse Rock medley. I checked with other shows, and there's nowhere near the same length of silence before they play the God Save the Queen tape as there is here. This made me wonder, but the theory didn't really go further, and I just kind of forgot about it for a while.
Now, fast forward to yesterday, and I got into conversation about it with a couple of friends, when a part of the review was posted. It states: "There were three encores before a tape of "God Save the Queen" ended the night." This is the entire review, which was linked on queenlive.ca.
You can see the part of the review in question here:
This would mean that the band came back out again for a third encore after the Jailhouse Rock medley, and played See What a Fool I've Been, which at this point would be the final encore song on the shows it was played at (although e.g. the Golders Green '73 show has it in the middle of the set). I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I thought I would share it anyway, as it doesn't seem to be the case.
So yeah, that's it. If you have anything to contribute or add to this in any way, please do share. Cheers!
I think you could be on to something here, the only thing that I could add to this is that they also played SWAFIB in the middle of the concert at Portland in early 1974. Other than that, seems pretty spot on Oh yes! Thank you for pointing that out!
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Post by littlequeenie97 on Jul 15, 2021 21:01:13 GMT
This actually makes a lot of sense, considering it was the final night of the US Tour (they still had 3 nights in canada remaining, but this was the final night in the USA.)
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Post by beyondthemoon on Jul 16, 2021 3:16:02 GMT
These two photos of the Inglewood show also back up this claim: Notice how Brian's pants are different between the two photos, and both have Freddie with the outfit he'd wear for the second encore. (Credits to Kieran for the review, and NastyQueenie for pointing out the two photos on the Queen Discord) Neither of these photos are from March 2nd Inglewood.
The first one is from March 3rd, as Brian wears black pants at that show (he wears white pants at March 2nd). The dating of these photos can be confirmed through the 8mm of March 2nd and Jim R's photos of March 3rd, as both of them correspond to the audio from those respective dates (the 8mm to the March 2nd audio and Jim R's photos to his friend Mike Millard's recording).
The second photo is February 5th at Madison Square Garden. We can confirm this because other shots of Brian in the white pants show Deacon playing the P-Bass, which he had retired from stage use on this tour by the time of the Inglewood shows.
The advertisements behind the lighting rig match a Madison Square Garden pre-show photo:
I fully believe that See What A Fool I've Been was done at March 2nd Inglewood, but I thought that was important to point out.
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Post by peace on Jul 16, 2021 14:14:59 GMT
These two photos of the Inglewood show also back up this claim: Notice how Brian's pants are different between the two photos, and both have Freddie with the outfit he'd wear for the second encore. (Credits to Kieran for the review, and NastyQueenie for pointing out the two photos on the Queen Discord) Neither of these photos are from March 2nd Inglewood.
The first one is from March 3rd, as Brian wears black pants at that show (he wears white pants at March 2nd). The dating of these photos can be confirmed through the 8mm of March 2nd and Jim R's photos of March 3rd, as both of them correspond to the audio from those respective dates (the 8mm to the March 2nd audio and Jim R's photos to his friend Mike Millard's recording).
The second photo is February 5th at Madison Square Garden. We can confirm this because other shots of Brian in the white pants show Deacon playing the P-Bass, which he had retired from stage use on this tour by the time of the Inglewood shows.
The advertisements behind the lighting rig match a Madison Square Garden pre-show photo:
I fully believe that See What A Fool I've Been was done at March 2nd Inglewood, but I thought that was important to point out.
You're right, that's my bad. Thank you for pointing that out.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jul 16, 2021 17:58:40 GMT
when all's said and done, we're still in conjecture territory. i'd love to know for sure that SWAFIB was played live in front of a ticket-buying audience AFTER April 1st, 1976 (coincidentally - the same night that Doing All Right was played for the last time?). It's going to take a lot of legwork to establish if it was played during later tours.
Note: WATC video shoot was not an official gig - even though it was the last (so far) recorded instance of SWAFIB being played live.
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Post by Sammy B. Willickers on Jul 16, 2021 18:39:20 GMT
I know this is super unlikely, but imagine if it was performed during the Crazy Tour. That would've been insane
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Post by Ryan Newton on Jul 16, 2021 23:09:51 GMT
when all's said and done, we're still in conjecture territory. i'd love to know for sure that SWAFIB was played live in front of a ticket-buying audience AFTER April 1st, 1976 (coincidentally - the same night that Doing All Right was played for the last time?). Doing All Right was played quite a few times after that show.
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Post by jo on Jul 17, 2021 1:41:13 GMT
when all's said and done, we're still in conjecture territory. i'd love to know for sure that SWAFIB was played live in front of a ticket-buying audience AFTER April 1st, 1976 (coincidentally - the same night that Doing All Right was played for the last time?). It's going to take a lot of legwork to establish if it was played during later tours. Note: WATC video shoot was not an official gig - even though it was the last (so far) recorded instance of SWAFIB being played live. According to Queen Live it was played just a few nights before at The Forum. Although I agree its conjecture it's not that big of a stretch to consider it was played this night as well.
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Post by Kieran on Jul 17, 2021 3:15:50 GMT
when all's said and done, we're still in conjecture territory. i'd love to know for sure that SWAFIB was played live in front of a ticket-buying audience AFTER April 1st, 1976 (coincidentally - the same night that Doing All Right was played for the last time?). It's going to take a lot of legwork to establish if it was played during later tours. Doing All Right was done quite a few times in 1977. On recording, we have it on the Liverpool June 3rd show, the first Earl's Court show, and the 2nd New York show. From what we know, it was also done a few times on the earlier NOTW shows as well, such as Portland and Boston.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jul 17, 2021 5:50:10 GMT
when all's said and done, we're still in conjecture territory. i'd love to know for sure that SWAFIB was played live in front of a ticket-buying audience AFTER April 1st, 1976 (coincidentally - the same night that Doing All Right was played for the last time?). Doing All Right was played quite a few times after that show. Doing All Right was done quite a few times in 1977. On recording, we have it on the Liverpool June 3rd show, the first Earl's Court show, and the 2nd New York show. From what we know, it was also done a few times on the earlier NOTW shows as well, such as Portland and Boston. of course it (DAR) was played - sorry, my mistake.
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