Sammy B. Willickers
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Post by Sammy B. Willickers on Aug 9, 2021 16:50:23 GMT
It's been 35 Years since The Magic Tour ended, and Queen last played with Freddie Mercury. It's been said that Freddie knew he had aids at that point, so that could be why his farewells to the audience were more meaningful.
Either way, today is an important day for many Queen fans, including myself.
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Lord Fickle
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 9, 2021 17:01:00 GMT
A poignant reminder, not least of how old some of us are getting! Who knows what could have been?
I doubt at that point Freddie knew he would never tour again, but perhaps the thought was there at the back of his mind.
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BrƎИsꓘi
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 9, 2021 18:03:14 GMT
i was there. i had no idea that "that was it" and until the "Queen for an Hour" interview, I still had no idea. looking back, I'm glad that I saw them the times that I did (79, 82, 84 & 86x2). Had I not, i'd have been sorely disappointed to find there was no tours in 88-91.
i think, that the "goodbyes" were pretty much a typical end-of-tour thing. factor in the huge success of this tour (they really needed a successful european tour, after having more or less cut ties with America) it was probably nice to put the thing to bed safe in the knowledge that (as a band) they still had a key role in the music fan's consciousness.
also, the Crown/Cloak thing was a pretty much choreographed thing, to ensure adulation/appreciation could be seen to be a mutual [Queen>audience / audience>Queen] thing.
i don't think it had anything really to do with AIDS. Freddie's decision to stop touring came about around '88 prior to the Miracle, when it was concluded that the underlying health issue would only ever be managed to a level of quality/prolongation of life - and to maintain a quality/prolongation of life would ultimately mean binning the album-tour/album-tour cycle of previous years.
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Post by greatsoundingmaracas on Aug 10, 2021 12:25:09 GMT
i think, that the "goodbyes" were pretty much a typical end-of-tour thing. But it's worth noting that during the whole tour, he didn't say once something like "see you next time" or so. Also, he said in Budapest during an interview "if I'm still alive, I'll come back" (I forgot exactly what he said, but he said something like that), so I'm pretty sure that he knew what was going on inside of him.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 10, 2021 13:32:49 GMT
i think, that the "goodbyes" were pretty much a typical end-of-tour thing. But it's worth noting that during the whole tour, he didn't say once something like "see you next time" or so. Also, he said in Budapest during an interview "if I'm still alive, I'll come back" (I forgot exactly what he said, but he said something like that), so I'm pretty sure that he knew what was going on inside of him. we're making all of these assumptions with the benefit of hindsight. but that same hindsight allows us to make our assumptions fit an agenda - when in reality, they probably don't. here's something to consider: right up to the end, Freddie said nothing about his illness - in '87 emphatically denying the rumours. so, ask yourself this: here we have someone who was doing everything possible to keep his illness a secret, so what exactly would be the point of dropping huge clues to hundreds of thousands of people by deliberately NOT saying "see you next time" or "if i'm still alive". it just doesn't make sense. it's just as possible, that lots of other gigs on previous tours he never said "see you next time" and as for the "if I'm alive" - isn't that just a simple way of dealing with a question? rather than having to commit to returning to a specific country/city?
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Post by saintjiub on Aug 11, 2021 0:57:36 GMT
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Post by Frank on Aug 11, 2021 2:27:46 GMT
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 11, 2021 9:06:43 GMT
Thanks for the link. Don't think I've heard that before.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 11, 2021 21:40:59 GMT
absolutely. but that doesn't remove the ability to perform/tour. Freddie made choices much later than '86 about touring and (more importantly) living - when he chose to stop taking antiviral cocktails - for whatever reasons (good or bad). Holly Johnson was diagnosed HIV in 91? had full-blown AIDS in 93...and even continued to tour (until 2017). Holly's still here, Freddie isn't.
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Post by badboybez on Aug 11, 2021 23:06:23 GMT
absolutely. but that doesn't remove the ability to perform/tour. Freddie made choices much later than '86 about touring and (more importantly) living - when he chose to stop taking antiviral cocktails - for whatever reasons (good or bad). Holly Johnson was diagnosed HIV in 91? had full-blown AIDS in 93...and even continued to tour (until 2017). Holly's still here, Freddie isn't. And that shows that life is unfair!
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Post by saintjiub on Aug 12, 2021 0:36:32 GMT
absolutely. but that doesn't remove the ability to perform/tour. Freddie made choices much later than '86 about touring and (more importantly) living - when he chose to stop taking antiviral cocktails - for whatever reasons (good or bad). Holly Johnson was diagnosed HIV in 91? had full-blown AIDS in 93...and even continued to tour (until 2017). Holly's still here, Freddie isn't. Freddie apparently "knew" then that concert tours were not in his future. AIDs was a death sentence for Freddie, and it made touring inadvisable.
Per Mary Austin:
23:13 to 23:17 - "Working through the emotional pain, knowing that it was going to be his last tour"
23:31 to 23:35 - "It's that knowing that this has to be the last one"
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Freddie developed AIDs a few years too early ... before the development of additional antiretroviral drugs in the mid-90's (beyond the limited effectiveness of toxic AZT). Holly Johnson was fortunate to develop AIDs a few years later than Freddie. In an interview, Holly Johnson stated: "I was nearly in the grave. Well, Holly Johnson was at death's door between 1991 and 1996."
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