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Post by Steve on Oct 3, 2021 16:57:55 GMT
I'm pretty sure the vocals were straight up without any adjustment. He was even quoted himself as saying that he was pleased with the vocals on Innuendo.
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Post by jlf on Oct 3, 2021 18:19:51 GMT
Did they do that in Hammer To Fall? I had no idea!
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Post by dane on Oct 4, 2021 13:07:13 GMT
Never heard that about Hammer to Fall. Very interesting.
Do you have a source where we can read about that?
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Post by Dimitris on Oct 4, 2021 13:22:47 GMT
Freddies vocals on innuendo are amazing, impossible to sing, but were they pitched up in post production? A bit like hammer to fall when they slowed the tape to then speed up and make the vocals higher I am sure but I think it was the music track that was pitched not the vocals. The middle section of 12 inch remix has a part on different key.
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Post by emrabt on Oct 4, 2021 20:34:59 GMT
Are you sure you are not mixing up "Hammer to Fall" with AOBTD?
Another one bites the dust, does seem to run slightly fast, it's all half a semitone or so off apparently.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 4, 2021 22:12:00 GMT
Play along to hammer to fall on guitar, its a semi tone up I always thought the 12" Headbangers Mix was a semitone down - so is that then the correct version?
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Post by chadhanging on Oct 5, 2021 2:31:35 GMT
I always thought they were sped up due to the disease making his voice lower. Just an assumption I made at the time.
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Post by dane on Oct 5, 2021 7:14:40 GMT
I always thought they were sped up due to the disease making his voice lower. Just an assumption I made at the time. It was just the opposite actually. Freddie's range and singing vastly improved in the last 3 years of his life. Mainly because he quit smoking but an overall healthier way of life did help a lot. I remember a quote in a documentary, I think it was either Mack (producer of some 80's albums) or David Richards (producer of later albums) that Freddie told; '...I don't know if it's the medication, or something else, but I can sing better than ever!' I am paraphrasing... don't remember what he actually said, but Freddie acknowledged that he was a much better singer at that time due to unknown factors.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 5, 2021 8:50:13 GMT
I always thought they were sped up due to the disease making his voice lower. Just an assumption I made at the time. His voice was slightly 'thinner' towards the end, but I thought it also gave him more higher range. If Innuendo is 'sped up', what about TSMGO?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 10:24:27 GMT
Hammer To Fall is pitched slightly lower isn't it?
I think the case with pitch changes in those days was more a case of changing the tempo. I'm sure they sped up AOBTD because it felt slow, not because they thought Freddie's vocals could do with being half a semi-tone higher!
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Post by chadhanging on Oct 5, 2021 21:24:19 GMT
That's the excuse I used when people would say they sped it up to hide his sickness. I would always say, "No,no. His voice was always higher when he was thinner." I didn't believe that but I just needed them to shut up."
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Post by seed0frhye on Oct 6, 2021 9:08:22 GMT
Always thought there was something strange with his voice on "Don't Try So Hard"...that vocals were tampered with, or smthng
his voice got really thin there and, on moments, feels he's struggling to sing
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 9:34:47 GMT
I think it's hard to overstate what a complete change in lifestyle, a dramatic change to one's physical condition, and cocktail of very strong drugs could do to someone's voice. Especially given how extreme Fred's lifestyle was in the opposite sense prior to his diagnosis.
I don't find it odd that he'd end up with a higher/thinner voice given what had happened to the poor fella.
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Post by highlander on Oct 6, 2021 13:34:13 GMT
Despite Freddie not really having truly terrible moments of singing I'm don't like the demo to "Too Much Love Will Kill You" that much as his voice sounds off the key the music is in. Maybe it's due to a mistake when the song was recorded at the time that ended up on bootlegs but I'm sure it could be improved by having at least one track of Freddie singing and the other being the music supporting the song in the background that needs to be adjusted to fit the key he sung it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 10:22:03 GMT
He'd often sound quite bad on demos, particularly in the 80s and 90s (listen to some of the early demos from Mr Bad Guy). I've often wondered whether Fred had a routine for when he knew he was going to have to record final vocal takes for songs, like not smoking/drinking for a few days before, or trying not to speak too much.
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Post by georg on Oct 7, 2021 16:09:15 GMT
It does annoy me when the band are prepared to release demos where freddie doesnt sound his best, or messes up something, and hes not here to stop the release, yet brian and roger wont release anything demo wise where they are not perfect. What demos have Brian and Roger released where Freddie messes up? To my memory, the News of the World box set may have some gaffes, but those weren’t just Freddie. If you’re talking about the solo box set, Brian and Roger have no say over those.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Oct 7, 2021 16:48:16 GMT
It does annoy me when the band are prepared to release demos where freddie doesnt sound his best, or messes up something, and hes not here to stop the release, yet brian and roger wont release anything demo wise where they are not perfect. What demos have Brian and Roger released where Freddie messes up? To my memory, the News of the World box set may have some gaffes, but those weren’t just Freddie. If you’re talking about the solo box set, Brian and Roger have no say over those. exactly. maybe a little fact checking could be undertaken before blaming Brian/Roger for everything.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 12:58:00 GMT
What demos have Brian and Roger released where Freddie messes up? To my memory, the News of the World box set may have some gaffes, but those weren’t just Freddie. If you’re talking about the solo box set, Brian and Roger have no say over those. exactly. maybe a little fact checking could be undertaken before blaming Brian/Roger for everything. Yeah, weirdly I'd actually say the opposite is true: Brian and Roger tend to touch-up demos to make Fred sound better. It's really annoying - why put autotune on the NOTW Raw Sessions (particularly noticeable on Who Needs You)? I mean, if someone is a big enough fan to want to listen to rough demos, they aren't going to care if Fred is a bit out of tune here and there.
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Post by jo on Oct 8, 2021 13:54:51 GMT
exactly. maybe a little fact checking could be undertaken before blaming Brian/Roger for everything. Yeah, weirdly I'd actually say the opposite is true: Brian and Roger tend to touch-up demos to make Fred sound better. It's really annoying - why put autotune on the NOTW Raw Sessions (particularly noticeable on Who Needs You)? I mean, if someone is a big enough fan to want to listen to rough demos, they aren't going to care if Fred is a bit out of tune here and there. Queen has been air brushing Freddie since 1991, no reason to think that will ever change. I would think by now they would be tired of every interview having to be 50% about Freddie, even those that centered on their solo work. He remains the rainmaker even after 30 years, it's amazing.
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Post by georg on Oct 8, 2021 17:59:12 GMT
Yeah, weirdly I'd actually say the opposite is true: Brian and Roger tend to touch-up demos to make Fred sound better. It's really annoying - why put autotune on the NOTW Raw Sessions (particularly noticeable on Who Needs You)? I mean, if someone is a big enough fan to want to listen to rough demos, they aren't going to care if Fred is a bit out of tune here and there. Queen has been air brushing Freddie since 1991, no reason to think that will ever change. I would think by now they would be tired of every interview having to be 50% about Freddie, even those that centered on their solo work. He remains the rainmaker even after 30 years, it's amazing. They also did that to themselves after QPR; they leaned much more into their legacy, culminating with the biopic. I think they reasoned no one gives a shit about their solo careers (and that’s coming from someone who does give a shit about them!) and releasing new material with a new singer won’t sell, so why not just keep the past alive by touring with the closest approximation to their lead singer? I can’t fault them for doing that, honestly. They both have their separate creative outlets, but they recognize that Queen will always be bigger than them, so they’ve embraced it. Good for them.
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Post by cmsdrums on Oct 10, 2021 11:52:25 GMT
exactly. maybe a little fact checking could be undertaken before blaming Brian/Roger for everything. Yeah, weirdly I'd actually say the opposite is true: Brian and Roger tend to touch-up demos to make Fred sound better. It's really annoying - why put autotune on the NOTW Raw Sessions (particularly noticeable on Who Needs You)? I mean, if someone is a big enough fan to want to listen to rough demos, they aren't going to care if Fred is a bit out of tune here and there. And ironically, Roger made a big point in a recent ‘Outsider’ promo interview of stating that he has banned auto tune in his studio and there is none on his new album….I was dying for the interviewer to be ‘one of us’ and quiz him on why they smother Queen releases with it now then!!!?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 10, 2021 13:43:30 GMT
Yeah, weirdly I'd actually say the opposite is true: Brian and Roger tend to touch-up demos to make Fred sound better. It's really annoying - why put autotune on the NOTW Raw Sessions (particularly noticeable on Who Needs You)? I mean, if someone is a big enough fan to want to listen to rough demos, they aren't going to care if Fred is a bit out of tune here and there. And ironically, Roger made a big point in a recent ‘Outsider’ promo interview of stating that he has banned auto tune in his studio and there is none on his new album….I was dying for the interviewer to be ‘one of us’ and quiz him on why they smother Queen releases with it now then!!!? He certainly isn't shy of using vocal effects though, perhaps a little too readily? They don't detract from the enjoyment of the album, but I can't help wondering what they add.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Oct 10, 2021 14:36:09 GMT
And ironically, Roger made a big point in a recent ‘Outsider’ promo interview of stating that he has banned auto tune in his studio and there is none on his new album….I was dying for the interviewer to be ‘one of us’ and quiz him on why they smother Queen releases with it now then!!!? He certainly isn't shy of using vocal effects though, perhaps a little too readily? They don't detract from the enjoyment of the album, but I can't help wondering what they add. whereas, the effects used on his first LP (FIS) were atmospheric and added to the space ambience, i agree that the last album gains nothing from processed vocals. only thing i can think of: maybe it's what the younger generation expect from singers (it is rare that modern singers do not use vocal effects) - so perhaps Roger is tryign to make tunes that would also appeal to the younger generation?
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Post by jlf on Oct 10, 2021 14:36:37 GMT
Freddie's voice change in the 1989-1991 period was undoubtedly due to - giving up smoking - reducing alcohol consumption - not touring (the touring was a massive strain on his voice)
Then there'd be the negative stuff like - His illness - His medication - those early medications really hammered the body
But also he changed his technique quite a bit. He was no longer simply muscling through the high notes. Montserrat Caballe showed him some technique things and in that time period he reportedly went for coaching with Mary Hammond (who will confirm privately but not publicly). Mary Hammond coached Elton John, Liza Minelli and later Chris Martin from Coldplay amongst many others. The story that came to me when I was a little bit involved with some musical theatre folk in London a long time ago was that he didn't quite have the power as he became sick, and wanted to have coaching to maintain whatever quality he could. Mary Hammond was the name recommended to him, and if you know anything about her teaching you can, coincidentally or not, recognise some of her trademarks in his voice placement in the higher notes, and other places. There's a lot more 'technique' on the Innuendo album in general.
Anyway it might not be true that it was Mary Hammond, you know what London's like, and all the musical theatre crowd up to the early 2000s had a Freddie Mercury story, but the sound he makes on Innuendo seems to fit the story.
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Post by Raf on Oct 11, 2021 12:41:27 GMT
He certainly isn't shy of using vocal effects though, perhaps a little too readily? They don't detract from the enjoyment of the album, but I can't help wondering what they add. whereas, the effects used on his first LP (FIS) were atmospheric and added to the space ambience, i agree that the last album gains nothing from processed vocals. only thing i can think of: maybe it's what the younger generation expect from singers (it is rare that modern singers do not use vocal effects) - so perhaps Roger is tryign to make tunes that would also appeal to the younger generation? Apples and oranges, though. Modern singers either: a) aren't really good, just sing whatever and then get "fixed" on autotune to the point of sounding robotic; b) do a decent job, but as the current generation is so used with autotuned vocals, they have small imperfections fixed too - which would've ruined so many great songs from the past: Roger doesn't seem to process vocals to fix tuning, but rather to give them a different sound, like guitarists using different kinds of distortion, chorus, phasing effects etc. If it does actually improve the song or not is a matter of taste, and I'm among those who think he does it a little too much. But it's definitely not the same vocal processing done on Britney Spears, Justin Bieber or whoever else on the radio (or on TikTok?) these days.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Oct 11, 2021 13:27:19 GMT
Roger doesn't seem to process vocals to fix tuning, but rather to give them a different sound, like guitarists using different kinds of distortion, chorus, phasing effects etc. If it does actually improve the song or not is a matter of taste, and I'm among those who think he does it a little too much. But it's definitely not the same vocal processing done on Britney Spears, Justin Bieber or whoever else on the radio (or on TikTok?) these days. agreed 100%. i just can't get along with this "fashion" for singers needing to sound like they're about to burst into tears.
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Post by Raf on Oct 11, 2021 15:42:41 GMT
Roger doesn't seem to process vocals to fix tuning, but rather to give them a different sound, like guitarists using different kinds of distortion, chorus, phasing effects etc. If it does actually improve the song or not is a matter of taste, and I'm among those who think he does it a little too much. But it's definitely not the same vocal processing done on Britney Spears, Justin Bieber or whoever else on the radio (or on TikTok?) these days. agreed 100%. i just can't get along with this "fashion" for singers needing to sound like they're about to burst into tears. Not sure if that's what you meant, but I hate how "technical" singers nowadays abuse vibrato. All those singers from reality shows oversing everything - including Adam back in the day. I had a tough time "accepting" Adam's vocals with Queen early in the collab, and I'm glad he cut back a little on it after some time.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 11, 2021 16:26:14 GMT
Roger doesn't seem to process vocals to fix tuning, but rather to give them a different sound, like guitarists using different kinds of distortion, chorus, phasing effects etc. If it does actually improve the song or not is a matter of taste, and I'm among those who think he does it a little too much. But it's definitely not the same vocal processing done on Britney Spears, Justin Bieber or whoever else on the radio (or on TikTok?) these days. agreed 100%. i just can't get along with this "fashion" for singers needing to sound like they're about to burst into tears. Oh, I agree! On my local radio station they play a track from an unsigned local artist every afternoon, which is great for giving new artists an airing, but 90% of them are dreary female (and male) vocalists who sound like the world has ended because they broke a nail or got a zit. Teenagers today need to learn to enjoy themselves a bit, rather than wallowing in self pity, and if I might be controversial, there's far too many fashionable "issues" around these days, the vast majority of which are perpetuated by social media.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Oct 11, 2021 16:53:18 GMT
agreed 100%. i just can't get along with this "fashion" for singers needing to sound like they're about to burst into tears. Oh, I agree! On my local radio station they play a track from an unsigned local artist every afternoon, which is great for giving new artists an airing, but 90% of them are dreary female (and male) vocalists who sound like the world has ended because they broke a nail or got a zit. Teenagers today need to learn to enjoy themselves a bit, rather than wallowing in self pity, and if I might be controversial, there's far too many fashionable "issues" around these days, the vast majority of which are perpetuated by social media. perhaps i'm from a different world (musically) - i think i am. but, back in the 60s/70s/80s singers could sing sad material with emotion and feeling, but at the same time manage to adopt a vocal tone applicable to the "relevant seriousness" of the lyric. these days (and I know, I likely am generalising) but listen to mainstream radio for 20mins - if that's possible without slitting your wrists - and almost EVERY BLOODY SONG is sung like EVERYONE died - or worse! what's so damned appealing about sounding like a nasally, whiny, suicidal, autotuned Morrissey/Siouxsie Sioux/Fran Healy/Chris Martin hybrid?
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