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Post by Lord Fickle on Nov 1, 2021 14:02:49 GMT
Why is love kills credited as a queen song, when its clearly a freddie / giorgio mororder piece of work. Freddie does the vocals and backing vocals, no one else features apart from possibly brian right at the end for a guest appearance, although it could easily be a sound a like. Giorgio speaks about working with freddie and how he was a diva but didnt mention the rest of the band, so is this a queen song as stated a few years back when they released queen forever or is it yet another thing brian and roger have conveniently airbrushed in Queens history. As far as understand, it was written by Freddie and was mooted for inclusion on The Works, but obviously wasn't. It was then recorded by Freddie and released as a solo single in 1984. Subsequently it was reworked by Queen (or just Brian and Roger?) for inclusion on the Queen Forever compilation, then later performed live by Q+AL. I guess, then, it could be said that it was originally written for Queen, but first recorded and released by Freddie solo. As I see it, there's a Freddie version and a Queen version, much like some of the stuff on Made In Heaven. |
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Post by macduff77 on Nov 1, 2021 15:31:54 GMT
I remembered reading that it was worked on for The Works initially by the band. From QueenVault:
"Love Kills is the first solo track credited to Freddie Mercury. An idea of the song was presented to Freddie by Giorgio Moroder for his new edit and restoration of Fritz Lang's "Metropolis" film. Mercury reworked Moroder's original idea for the track in his own fashion. Love Kills was recorded during The Works sessions and even though it is credited as a Freddie solo track, all four members of Queen worked on the song. Love Kills became a minor hit, charting at number 10 in the UK."
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Post by akirafish on Nov 1, 2021 15:35:48 GMT
It's credited Mercury/Moroder, so I think the further rearrangement must have be approved by Moroder. I believe it was meant to be a Queen song with Brian, John and Roger all participated in the instrument playing and production. But later in exchange for footages of Metropolis, they agreed to released it as a Freddie solo song.
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Post by stevedorius on Nov 1, 2021 16:32:47 GMT
Does the Freddie version contain some rhythm guitar from John, or am I dreaming? Thought I read that somewhere.
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Post by ActionThisDay on Nov 1, 2021 17:42:41 GMT
Anyone else think it strange that Love Kills was released on the same day as Hammer To Fall? They were basically in competition in the charts, one week Love Kills was at #12 while Hammer to Fall only reached #13 (it's highest placing). I'll bet that amused Freddie.
During the time Queen were active Brian wrote a load of singles that just missed out on the top ten, it must have frustrated him. All the others wrote several top ten hits. I Want It All made #3 but by then they were crediting all songs to the band.
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Post by ShaneJazz on Nov 1, 2021 18:02:46 GMT
Does anyone have the exact quote by Mr. Freestone alluding to the fact that Love Kills had minimal to no real input from Moroder? I always found that interesting but could never locate it again.
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Post by georg on Nov 1, 2021 18:12:05 GMT
Does the Freddie version contain some rhythm guitar from John, or am I dreaming? Thought I read that somewhere. Yup, Freddie’s version has Brian’s guitar, Roger’s drum programming, and John’s rhythm guitar. The Forever remake has Brian on bass and Roger on live drums. |
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Post by georg on Nov 1, 2021 18:13:11 GMT
Does anyone have the exact quote by Mr. Freestone alluding to the fact that Love Kills had minimal to no real input from Moroder? I always found that interesting but could never locate it again. I feel like I read that in his book, though it may be on his Ask Phoebe section of Freddie’s website, likely around the time the Forever comp came out. Just a guess though. |
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Post by emrabt on Nov 1, 2021 22:55:03 GMT
I have a feeling Moroder wrote a different song with the same title, the inlay for the soundtrack LP has a totally different set of lyrics to a song called "Love kills" that do not fit at all with the song we know.
I suspect Freddie wasn't happy with that version and used what he was working on during the works sessions instead, by which time the credits and LP covers have already been printed.
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Post by saintjiub on Nov 2, 2021 0:50:09 GMT
"Loves Kills - The Ballad" was released on the primarily rehashed "Queen Forever" release.
Why would it not be considered a Queen song?
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Post by chadhanging on Nov 2, 2021 8:51:50 GMT
Make no mistake, if Freddie's solo career had been more successful he would have been outa there.
Also, on which album was Queen's rock remake included?
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Post by oreno on Nov 2, 2021 13:13:21 GMT
I have a feeling Moroder wrote a different song with the same title, the inlay for the soundtrack LP has a totally different set of lyrics to a song called "Love kills" that do not fit at all with the song we know. I suspect Freddie wasn't happy with that version and used what he was working on during the works sessions instead, by which time the credits and LP covers have already been printed. Wow that's weird.. there's a story in there. Always feel there was a lot of record company shenanigans going on behind the scenes in this era. Roger getting 'rewrite please' notes from the record company about 'Radio Gaga' - the strange deal they struck about getting Metropolis footage in return for 'Love Kills' - but the footage then getting used for Radio Gaga - 'Love Kills' going out as a Freddie solo (sans video) - and now this..! |
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Nov 2, 2021 15:31:23 GMT
Make no mistake, if Freddie's solo career had been more successful he would have been outa there. Also, on which album was Queen's rock remake included? The original Queen version which the band worked on during the Works Sessions has not been released so far. We only have the Ballad re-creation. |
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Post by emrabt on Nov 2, 2021 16:24:05 GMT
The strange deal they struck about getting Metropolis footage in return for 'Love Kills' - but the footage then getting used for Radio Gaga - 'Love Kills' going out as a Freddie solo (sans video) - and now this..! That deal is really weird as Metropolis was in the public domain at that point so permission wasn't even needed, they didn't even use the restored tinted version Moroder worked on. |
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Post by chadhanging on Nov 3, 2021 1:31:55 GMT
Make no mistake, if Freddie's solo career had been more successful he would have been outa there. Also, on which album was Queen's rock remake included? The original Queen version which the band worked on during the Works Sessions has not been released so far. We only have the Ballad re-creation. But there was a later Queen rock version of the song. That had to be on some compilation. |
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Post by georg on Nov 3, 2021 2:19:20 GMT
Edit: never mind, misread.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Nov 3, 2021 9:33:28 GMT
The original Queen version which the band worked on during the Works Sessions has not been released so far. We only have the Ballad re-creation. But there was a later Queen rock version of the song. That had to be on some compilation. was the rock version in the FM Boxset? |
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Nov 3, 2021 10:13:13 GMT
The strange deal they struck about getting Metropolis footage in return for 'Love Kills' - but the footage then getting used for Radio Gaga - 'Love Kills' going out as a Freddie solo (sans video) - and now this..! That deal is really weird as Metropolis was in the public domain at that point so permission wasn't even needed, they didn't even use the restored tinted version Moroder worked on. Not quite. Metropolis first entered the public domain in 1953, but subsequent copyright legislation in the US (and internationally) led to a confusing and over-litigated situation where it wasn't definitely decided that it was in fact in the public domain until 1998. Apparently, Moroder purchased the rights for $200 000 (and supposedly outbid David Bowie, who also wanted the rights) (source: New York Times, August 5 1984), and made a new (tinted) edit, as you mentioned, which is legally a separate film and still in copyright at this time. Until '98, he was arguably the owner of the rights, and while that claim was very tenuous, it would have taken expensive lawsuits with uncertain outcomes to establish that legally.
Aside from copyright, which was dodgy, murky and confused as per the above, there was also the point of obtaining actual, physical footage. This was the '80s, you couldn't just get a digital copy. If you wanted to use footage from Metropolis, you needed to get your hands on actual reels. They could probably have gotten them from another source, but striking a deal with Moroder was probably an easier solution, and the deal they struck would have avoided lawsuits with uncertain outcomes, acrimony and the trouble of tracking down actual reels of footage in good quality.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Nov 3, 2021 10:35:36 GMT
But there was a later Queen rock version of the song. That had to be on some compilation. was the rock version in the FM Boxset? Are we talking about this rock mix? Only, I don't think this is Queen - it's just Freddie with session musicians, isn't it? |
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Post by emrabt on Nov 3, 2021 12:07:47 GMT
Aside from copyright, which was dodgy, murky and confused as per the above, there was also the point of obtaining actual, physical footage. This was the '80s, you couldn't just get a digital copy. If you wanted to use footage from Metropolis, you needed to get your hands on actual reels. They could probably have gotten them from another source, but striking a deal with Moroder was probably an easier solution, and the deal they struck would have avoided lawsuits with uncertain outcomes, acrimony and the trouble of tracking down actual reels of footage in good quality.
Thank you for clearing that up Thomasquinn, I had no idea of the history and yes sourcing a good 35mm copy wouldn't have been as easy as today. That makes much more sense now. |
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Post by oreno on Nov 3, 2021 12:16:05 GMT
Anyone else think it strange that Love Kills was released on the same day as Hammer To Fall? They were basically in competition in the charts, one week Love Kills was at #12 while Hammer to Fall only reached #13 (it's highest placing). I'll bet that amused Freddie. During the time Queen were active Brian wrote a load of singles that just missed out on the top ten, it must have frustrated him. All the others wrote several top ten hits. I Want It All made #3 but by then they were crediting all songs to the band. And Love Kills was even released without a video. Top of the Pops used it as play-out music one week. Heavier rock tracks almost never made big hits did they? Roger said as much discussing Now I'm Here (as a single). I think I Want It All and Innuendo were aberrations in that regard. Arguably because both were debut singles from the parent albums (in fact the same goes for One Vision technically speaking). Snapped up by Queen fans, particularly Innuendo. |
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Post by chadhanging on Nov 3, 2021 12:49:45 GMT
was the rock version in the FM Boxset? Are we talking about this rock mix? Only, I don't think this is Queen - it's just Freddie with session musicians, isn't it? Hmmm. I think is it but I totally thoghy Brisn and Roger made that happen. |
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Post by macduff77 on Nov 3, 2021 15:13:56 GMT
The "Love Kills (Rock Mix)" was one of a bunch of remixes made by the Fugitive Brothers. I believe they did 4 or 5 but only the Rocks Mix officially appeared and was added to the Freddie Solo Box Set. Brian/Roger/John never appeared on this one.
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Post by peacelovingguy on Nov 3, 2021 15:54:34 GMT
Considering Love Kills, Let Me Live, the best of Roger’s solo album and God knows what else, the Works could’ve been a great album instead of just an okay album with some good tracks on it. They really were still firing on all cylinders at this point but being pulled in too many directions.
Anyway, I thought the original Freddie Love Kills was just a Queen song in disguise.
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Post by macduff77 on Nov 3, 2021 16:16:36 GMT
Considering Love Kills, Let Me Live, the best of Roger’s solo album and God knows what else, the Works could’ve been a great album instead of just an okay album with some good tracks on it. They really were still firing on all cylinders at this point but being pulled in too many directions. Anyway, I thought the original Freddie Love Kills was just a Queen song in disguise. Totally agree. And that’s what frustrates me the most about this album. There was so much material at the time that there could have been an amazing album. I’d love to know why they got to this final product and why certain songs were dropped or decided to be solo efforts. |
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Post by martinpacker on Nov 4, 2021 16:10:34 GMT
The "Love Kills (Rock Mix)" was one of a bunch of remixes made by the Fugitive Brothers. I believe they did 4 or 5 but only the Rocks Mix officially appeared and was added to the Freddie Solo Box Set. Brian/Roger/John never appeared on this one. Yes. It is in the Freddie Box Set. |
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Post by cmsdrums on Nov 16, 2021 21:56:42 GMT
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Post by chadhanging on Nov 17, 2021 16:27:09 GMT
But there was a later Queen rock version of the song. That had to be on some compilation. was the rock version in the FM Boxset? Ahh, yes. This is the one I was thinking of. I always liked it but I thought it had live audience sounds added to it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1DaNEcnvN8 |
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Post by chadhanging on Nov 17, 2021 16:29:34 GMT
The "Love Kills (Rock Mix)" was one of a bunch of remixes made by the Fugitive Brothers. I believe they did 4 or 5 but only the Rocks Mix officially appeared and was added to the Freddie Solo Box Set. Brian/Roger/John never appeared on this one. Just realized I already posted the Rock Mix I was thinking of. |
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Post by chadhanging on Nov 17, 2021 16:32:28 GMT
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