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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 22, 2022 16:01:53 GMT
According to Brian in interviews, there are a few alternative takes with Edward Van Halen from Starfleet Project that are quite different. So maybe they will be in the bonus disc for the Gold release? Did I dream a rumour that Let Me Out might have been intended as a Queen song, from around the time of The Works? Wouldn't it be fantastic if a version surfaced with Freddie on vocals!
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Post by pg on Apr 22, 2022 16:08:26 GMT
Did I dream a rumour that Let Me Out might have been intended as a Queen song, from around the time of The Works? Wouldn't it be fantastic if a version surfaced with Freddie on vocals! The sleevenotes said something like "an old song of mine that found new life", which implies that it was an older offcut, although obviously they could have worked on "older offcuts" for The Works. As to an FM version...agreed, but I always apply the YDFM test - if any unreleased song had MORE Freddie singing than that, I believe we'd have heard it.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 22, 2022 16:28:57 GMT
The "Business" outtakes are absolutely gorgeous. It seems he had an idea of having that recurring theme throughout the album with increasing levels of optimism, but it was abandoned. All that remained was the melancholy finish after the title track that explores the theme of realizing such things exist only in another world. That last track hits home in a completely different way now that we know what he was going after. It's criminal that this wonderful music isn't more widely known. Hopefully this re-release will change that. I still think these are the snippets used in the TV series that Business was originally delivered for (Frank Stubbs Promotes). 1 minute intro music, 5 / 10 second snippets in and out of ad breaks, 90 seconds of end credits. But I've only listened to the amazon preview at this stage. Good point. But who knows, with Brian there's usually multiple meanings behind things.
That said - the one called "I'll Be Prayin'" sounds like it's a much more recent Brian laying down the vocal (it's a half-tone lower too), so my theory may be entirely nonsense. He even stated in his latest Instagram live that this piece has newly laid guitar, and that some of the other older tracks have newer additions to them as well.
Still, I gave this a shot:
1) Space 2) Business 3) China Belle 4) Why Don't We Try Again 5) I'll Be Prayin' 6) On My Way Up 7) Cyborg 8) The Guv'nor 9) Wilderness 10) Business Stings 11) Slow Down 12) One Rainy Wish 13) All the Way from Memphis 14) The Last Great Optimist 15) Another World 16) Being on My Own
And if you cross-fade track 9 into 10, it all actually flows remarkably well.
Side note: "Business Stings" is a great play on words.
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Post by Steve on Apr 22, 2022 16:37:17 GMT
Would be nice if we also got the Furia soundtrack. Couldn't agree more.
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Post by macduff77 on Apr 22, 2022 17:26:27 GMT
As with the BTTL re-release, Another World sounds fabulous. The team have done a great job. For the content, nice to hear some snippets I haven’t heard before, so happy with that too.
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Post by Steve on Apr 22, 2022 18:14:38 GMT
WDWTA sounds clean. Sounds better than ever.
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Post by donovan on Apr 22, 2022 18:49:46 GMT
Forgot how much I enjoyed this album! So glad to have it available again!
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Post by georg on Apr 22, 2022 19:47:31 GMT
Yeah, I don't know if it's the remaster or if I just haven't listened to it in a while, but I dig this album. Cyborg sounds almost completely new to me; I imagine the last time I listened to it was in the mid-2000s.
Why Don't We Try Again is such a beautiful track. Such a shame it's been forgotten since its release.
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Post by donovan on Apr 22, 2022 20:55:09 GMT
Yeah, I don't know if it's the remaster or if I just haven't listened to it in a while, but I dig this album. Cyborg sounds almost completely new to me; I imagine the last time I listened to it was in the mid-2000s. Why Don't We Try Again is such a beautiful track. Such a shame it's been forgotten since its release. Agreed on both tracks! Neither of those songs appealed to me 24 years ago, but listening today I can see I was a fool! Agreee
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Post by puma on Apr 22, 2022 21:29:20 GMT
Those bonus tracks make the album even more exciting than it was! What a great release from Brian, love it! The title track always gave me chills and still does
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Post by Steve on Apr 22, 2022 21:44:33 GMT
Those bonus tracks make the album even more exciting than it was! What a great release from Brian, love it! The title track always gave me chills and still does Love the song.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 22, 2022 23:48:38 GMT
I've played the bonus disc through, and really, for me, the only tracks of much interest are FBI with the real drums and bass, and the 'Guitar Version' of On My Way Up, but it would have been nicer if that was an alternate mix of the full song, rather than just that bit.
I think the different bits of Business are interesting, but clips of a minute (or thereabouts) are really just a curiosity that don't warrant repeated plays, whereas full alternate mixes would have been much more exciting.
I've always found those old covers to be a bit throwaway (not talking about the ones on the main album - just the b sides), so whilst it's nice to have them all on one disc, the remasters don't really do much for me, if they've even been remastered. My Boy is nice.
I've yet to appraise the main album, but the bits I've heard sound nicely polished.
Sorry I'm not bursting with enthusiasm! I'm not disappointed, because I wasn't expecting all that much in the first place. I think the bonus material on here is slightly more interesting than that on BTTL, but it still could have been better, if he'd given us the full songs as alternative versions, rather than just clips.
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Post by Nick on Apr 23, 2022 7:52:21 GMT
I was lucky enough to attend the launch party at the Royal Observatory in Greenwich last night. Admittedly, had I not have won, I’d have still tried getting in as I’m only 10 minutes away.
Couple of tidbits:
—> Star Fleet is the next archive release. They’re working on it already. —> He’s planning to remix and remaster that as he thinks it sounds flat compared to BTTL and AW. —> He personally hasn’t remastered anything in the box sets to date but there are some modern guitar overdubs, mainly on disc two of this set —> He said that in return for not asking for royalties, he can publish everything he’s ever played on. So one box set is likely to be a full set of collabs. Brixton is still planned, no mention of any other live sets.
—> The Another World front cover tree is a Phoenicean Juniper (Juniperus phoenicea) on El Hierro in the Canary Island. —> Asked about the album’s original, he said he came back off BTTL tour “a little confused as to who I was or where I was going”. —> Initial project was to refind his heroes, the people who influenced him, and work out “what was inside him, pushing him on”. —> He then got asked to do music for Sliding Doors: “a very good friend of mine asked me to write the theme tune”. This didn’t get used as there was a publisher conflict but that “gave him a kick” to do an album.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 23, 2022 10:07:21 GMT
—> Star Fleet is the next archive release. They’re working on it already. —> He’s planning to remix and remaster that as he thinks it sounds flat compared to BTTL and AW. That implies not a lot of has been done to BTTL and AW, both of which could have benefitted from a bit more in the lower end, in my opinion.
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Post by dave76 on Apr 23, 2022 11:33:42 GMT
I'm curious in how far he can be able to stretch a Star Fleet project. We'll get the answer later this year i guess. A shame that no DVD or blu-ray has been included in both BTTL and AW boxsets.
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Post by scotttmax on Apr 23, 2022 15:14:26 GMT
I surely can’t be the only person to struggle while getting the booklet out of the Deluxe Edition?
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Post by deathtoming on Apr 24, 2022 16:55:11 GMT
—> Star Fleet is the next archive release. They’re working on it already. —> He’s planning to remix and remaster that as he thinks it sounds flat compared to BTTL and AW. I've always liked the unpolished sound of Star Fleet, and thought it suited the "jamming with friends"-feel of the project. Still, I'm sure it can sound amazing if they fiddle around with it.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 24, 2022 17:42:00 GMT
—> Star Fleet is the next archive release. They’re working on it already. —> He’s planning to remix and remaster that as he thinks it sounds flat compared to BTTL and AW. I've always like the unpolished sound of Star Fleet, and thought it suited the "jamming with friends"-feel of the project. Still, I'm sure it can sound amazing if they fiddle around with it. I had it on vinyl and it sounded great. Some of the warmth was lost on the CD version.
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Post by NathanH on Apr 25, 2022 18:48:54 GMT
Controversial comment coming up...
I had never really heard the album prior to this re-release. To be honest, any Queen solo album I struggle to want to listen to them as the thing which appeals to me with Queen is that there are four writers who often compose very different songs. I don't want to say their solo works are boring because they're not but they aren't what I call unique or as appealing as a Queen album. I think it's the case with any band though.
But today I listened to Another World from start to finish for the first time and I've got to say it wasn't as amazing as I thought it would be. I was kind of expecting a Back To The Light Part 2 but it wasn't like that - kind of like News Of The World following A Day At The Races or Fleetwood Mac's Tusk following their Rumours. I think there are some great tracks on it - the highlights for me are Business, Another World and All The Way From Memphis. (I know the latter is a cover but it is very different to the original.)
To me there each song was either a heavy rocker or a quiet ballad with no flow or theme. I think this album will be a grower just like Roger's Outsider (to me these two albums are new!) which I think is really good and an enjoyable listen.
I think you could say that maybe this was the turning point in Brian's songwriting, I think his had already peaked whereas Roger's was getting better and stronger. I do feel you can apply this theory to The Cosmos Rocks. I'm not saying Brian's songwriting was bad because he did and still writes great songs, I'm just saying that some weren't and there was a drop in standard.
There we go, I'll shut up now...
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 25, 2022 19:36:50 GMT
I don't personally think AW is as strong as BTTL. It does have some good songs, but listening to Wilderness, The Guv'nor and One Rainy Wish again, made me realise why I hadn't played them for ages.
I'm pleased that it did contain some of Brian's own compositions, as if the covers that appeared off the album, had appeared on it, then I don't think it would have stood up well at all.
Not sure how much of it was recorded before Cozy's death - I guess most - but was that the reason Taylor Hawkins played on Cyborg?
I do recall being quite surprised when it first came out. I remember being in Our Price Records and there it was, seemingly out of nowhere. I remember the Business single being released, but somehow it escaped me that the album was to follow. I guess those were the days before everyone had the internet!
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Post by NathanH on Apr 25, 2022 19:45:57 GMT
I'm glad Brian did new music but I wonder if Brian would have done a kind of live album instead - playing the new songs live to a small audience so they are rawer. I don't think all the songs are strong enough on their own and maybe having this to follow could improve it. I can think of a few albums by other artists where this sort of scenerio was done and I think they're great to listen to. But that's me, maybe Cozy's passing changed Brian's plans - certainly live it did.
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Post by Nick on Apr 25, 2022 20:57:57 GMT
I don't personally think AW is as strong as BTTL. It does have some good songs, but listening to Wilderness, The Guv'nor and One Rainy Wish again, made me realise why I hadn't played them for ages. I quite agree; I still can’t grow to love this album. I’ve always thought of it as being a disjointed, incoherent album and nothing has changed these past few listens. Hearing BHM describe its origins at the launch event on Friday night gave me an understanding why it’s like that.
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Post by georg on Apr 26, 2022 1:30:12 GMT
It’s funny, because before the reissue I would’ve agreed that this isn’t his best album, and while I certainly don’t think that now, I have grown a new appreciation for it. To me the outcasts are Slow Down (I never liked the song though, even when The Beatles did it; Only Make Believe would’ve been a better selection) and Cyborg, but only because it’s such a drastic change of mood from the rest of the album (and, to be honest, it sounds like video game music; reminds me of Bowie’s “hours…”, most of which was written for a video game and, well, it sounds it). But songs I would’ve considered filler before – Guv, China Belle, Wilderness, One Rainy Wish – just seemed to make more sense in context. Maybe it was listening to it for the first time in a decade-plus, maybe it’s the remastering, maybe I’m still smitten with that On My Way Up video and so much is clouded, maybe I’m nostalgic for 1998, but this reissue is hitting most of the checkboxes for me. I find it ever so more satisfying than Back to the Light, even though I find that album far superior to Another World.
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Post by bananawig on Apr 26, 2022 9:45:48 GMT
I was lucky enough to attend the launch party at the Royal Observatory in Greenwich last night. Admittedly, had I not have won, I’d have still tried getting in as I’m only 10 minutes away. Couple of tidbits: —> Star Fleet is the next archive release. They’re working on it already. —> He’s planning to remix and remaster that as he thinks it sounds flat compared to BTTL and AW. —> He personally hasn’t remastered anything in the box sets to date but there are some modern guitar overdubs, mainly on disc two of this set —> He said that in return for not asking for royalties, he can publish everything he’s ever played on. So one box set is likely to be a full set of collabs. Brixton is still planned, no mention of any other live sets. —> The Another World front cover tree is a Phoenicean Juniper (Juniperus phoenicea) on El Hierro in the Canary Island. —> Asked about the album’s original, he said he came back off BTTL tour “a little confused as to who I was or where I was going”. —> Initial project was to refind his heroes, the people who influenced him, and work out “what was inside him, pushing him on”. —> He then got asked to do music for Sliding Doors: “a very good friend of mine asked me to write the theme tune”. This didn’t get used as there was a publisher conflict but that “gave him a kick” to do an album. Thanks for this great inside information! Can I ask how you were notified of getting tickets to his event? I preordered the picture disc version, hoping to be 'in the running' but received no information at all about it. Also Brian's recent Insta: http://instagram.com/p/Ccyuz8nobXJ Stating that he maybe planning a "collaborations" release for the Gold Series. Could this be the 'home' for StarFleet, Fun at Funeral Parlour, Macbeth soundtrack etc?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 26, 2022 10:30:37 GMT
I was lucky enough to attend the launch party at the Royal Observatory in Greenwich last night. Admittedly, had I not have won, I’d have still tried getting in as I’m only 10 minutes away. Couple of tidbits: —> Star Fleet is the next archive release. They’re working on it already. —> He’s planning to remix and remaster that as he thinks it sounds flat compared to BTTL and AW. —> He personally hasn’t remastered anything in the box sets to date but there are some modern guitar overdubs, mainly on disc two of this set —> He said that in return for not asking for royalties, he can publish everything he’s ever played on. So one box set is likely to be a full set of collabs. Brixton is still planned, no mention of any other live sets. —> The Another World front cover tree is a Phoenicean Juniper (Juniperus phoenicea) on El Hierro in the Canary Island. —> Asked about the album’s original, he said he came back off BTTL tour “a little confused as to who I was or where I was going”. —> Initial project was to refind his heroes, the people who influenced him, and work out “what was inside him, pushing him on”. —> He then got asked to do music for Sliding Doors: “a very good friend of mine asked me to write the theme tune”. This didn’t get used as there was a publisher conflict but that “gave him a kick” to do an album. Thanks for this great inside information! Can I ask how you were notified of getting tickets to his event? I preordered the picture disc version, hoping to be 'in the running' but received no information at all about it. Also Brian's recent Insta: http://instagr.am/p/Ccyuz8nobXJ Stating that he maybe planning a "collaborations" release for the Gold Series. Could this be the 'home' for StarFleet, Fun at Funeral Parlour, Macbeth soundtrack etc? There's already a bootleg "Collaborations I & II" knocking around. I wonder if the stuff he did with 'er indoors will finally see a CD release?
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Post by mikusguitarius on Apr 29, 2022 11:41:36 GMT
Another gentle and friendly reminder that remixing and remastering are NOT the the same thing and so shouldn't be used interchangeably. ;-)
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Post by Nick on Apr 29, 2022 17:09:26 GMT
I was lucky enough to attend the launch party at the Royal Observatory in Greenwich last night. Admittedly, had I not have won, I’d have still tried getting in as I’m only 10 minutes away. Couple of tidbits: —> Star Fleet is the next archive release. They’re working on it already. —> He’s planning to remix and remaster that as he thinks it sounds flat compared to BTTL and AW. —> He personally hasn’t remastered anything in the box sets to date but there are some modern guitar overdubs, mainly on disc two of this set —> He said that in return for not asking for royalties, he can publish everything he’s ever played on. So one box set is likely to be a full set of collabs. Brixton is still planned, no mention of any other live sets. —> The Another World front cover tree is a Phoenicean Juniper (Juniperus phoenicea) on El Hierro in the Canary Island. —> Asked about the album’s original, he said he came back off BTTL tour “a little confused as to who I was or where I was going”. —> Initial project was to refind his heroes, the people who influenced him, and work out “what was inside him, pushing him on”. —> He then got asked to do music for Sliding Doors: “a very good friend of mine asked me to write the theme tune”. This didn’t get used as there was a publisher conflict but that “gave him a kick” to do an album. Thanks for this great inside information! Can I ask how you were notified of getting tickets to his event? I preordered the picture disc version, hoping to be 'in the running' but received no information at all about it. Also Brian's recent Insta: http://instagr.am/p/Ccyuz8nobXJ Stating that he maybe planning a "collaborations" release for the Gold Series. Could this be the 'home' for StarFleet, Fun at Funeral Parlour, Macbeth soundtrack etc? Admittedly I didn’t win, despite entering as a result of my purchase. Handily, a friend (who also purchased the box set + single) did. Winners were allowed a guest. He was notified last Thursday lunchtime. Admittedly, given that Brian advertised the venue in advance and that I live so close to it, I’d have gone along and tried to get in anyway. Definitely wasn’t full.
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Post by leroybrown on Apr 30, 2022 1:19:37 GMT
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Post by deathtoming on Apr 30, 2022 2:45:23 GMT
The Japanese release of the deluxe edition comes with a mini tour program replica with multiple pages, just like Back to the Light did. I think it's a nice little bonus that most fans would appreciate, and it's too bad it's not a worldwide release. Seems like a logical bonus item for a future Live at Brixton box. I wonder how much it costs to produce these vs. the badges that have come with the box sets? Here's my pic of the tour programs: The Japanese edition comes with a B2 poster (just like Back to the Light did), which is a full-colour version of the monochrome+red one that was my guess that I posted before. It's also featured in the book in the box set. Again, a tour poster replica for Live at Brixton would make sense. Here's someone else's pic since I don't want to unroll mine yet:
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Post by leroybrown on Apr 30, 2022 3:20:54 GMT
Damn, I bought the Japanese Roger release with a mini poster and 2 bonus tracks. I bought it on release and it’s still sitting at the airport until JapanPost decide to ship to Australia again
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