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Post by colmoe on Jun 2, 2022 9:46:05 GMT
I have always loved the use of 1930s, dixie in songs like Lazing on a Sunday, Seaside Rendezvous, good company etc... I think they probably picked up this idea from the Beatles. From Sergeant Pepper onwards the Beatles experimented with every style imaginable - even avant guard. Examples are: when I'm 64, your mother should know, honey pie. The magical mystery tour and white album continued this idea of circa 1930s fun music. I am not sure what to call this because it wasn't just dixieland going on in the 20s/30s/40s.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 2, 2022 10:13:03 GMT
I have always loved the use of 1930s, dixie in songs like Lazing on a Sunday, Seaside Rendezvous, good company etc... I think they probably picked up this idea from the Beatles. From Sergeant Pepper onwards the Beatles experimented with every style imaginable - even avant guard. Examples are: when I'm 64, your mother should know, honey pie. The magical mystery tour and white album continued this idea of circa 1930s fun music. I am not sure what to call this because it wasn't just dixieland going on in the 20s/30s/40s. I've always considered the influences in the Queen songs you mentioned to be more from Vaudeville than Dixie, but I guess there are similarities. A few people dislike Seaside Rendezvous but I think it's fun and very well put together. I have the guitar part on LOASA as the ringtone on my phone! 😄 |
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Post by Steve on Jun 2, 2022 17:39:22 GMT
BBTLB is another good example. A great fun song!
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Post by nico on Jun 28, 2022 18:24:27 GMT
All of these tracks are amongst my favorite.
I agree about the Beatles influence there.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 28, 2022 18:40:08 GMT
BBTLB is another good example. A great fun song! not Dixieland or Vaudeville and certainly not 1930s though. If "Leroy" were to fit into any category, I'd suggest it was more akin to the late-nineteenth-century "knackered piano" Tin Pan Alley sound. All of these tracks are amongst my favorite. I agree about the Beatles influence there. agreed. although, these ain't necessarily Dixieland or Vaudeville, here are some more to add to the (old time music) list: Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite Martha My Dear Rocky Racoon Don't Pass Me By Honey Pie Mean Mr Mustard Maxwell's Silver Hammer ....and (possibly) among the Beatles most underrated work. curiously, the main segment of this "inspiration" in Queen recording appears on Opera. |
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Jun 29, 2022 5:19:50 GMT
I have always loved the use of 1930s, dixie in songs like Lazing on a Sunday, Seaside Rendezvous, good company etc... I think they probably picked up this idea from the Beatles. From Sergeant Pepper onwards the Beatles experimented with every style imaginable - even avant guard. Examples are: when I'm 64, your mother should know, honey pie. The magical mystery tour and white album continued this idea of circa 1930s fun music. I am not sure what to call this because it wasn't just dixieland going on in the 20s/30s/40s.
1) There is no such thing as "dixie" or "dixieland" in the 1930s. That stuff was invented in the 1950s as a bowdlerized revival of "traditional jazz", more particularly a sanitized and simplified kind of music inspired by New Orleans Jazz. 2) There is not even a hint of dixieland, 1950s or otherwise, nor New Orleans Jazz, in any of the examples you cite - what you seem to be referring to is the later kind of Music Hall. 3) Pretty sure the Beatles had nothing to do with it - Brian, at least, was into George Formby, that was probably the most direct inspiration. For the guys, growing up in the '50s and '60s in the UK, Music Hall was probably *the* go-to example of "old time music". 4) The examples you refer to really sound more post-war inspired than pre-war to me. 5) The one example where Queen ever came remotely close to anything resembling dixieland is "Bring Back That Leroy Brown" (mostly through the faux simultaneous-melodic-improvisation), but I'd still say that's more Music Hall than anything else - after World War I, elements of early jazz (New Orleans style, Chicago style and later Kansas City style) were adopted into European popular music - but it's not jazz, in the same way that Bohemian Rhapsody is not opera.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Jun 29, 2022 5:22:29 GMT
All of these tracks are amongst my favorite. I agree about the Beatles influence there. agreed. although, these ain't necessarily Dixieland or Vaudeville, here are some more to add to the (old time music) list: Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite Martha My Dear Rocky Racoon Don't Pass Me By Honey Pie Mean Mr Mustard Maxwell's Silver Hammer ....and (possibly) among the Beatles most underrated work. curiously, the main segment of this "inspiration" in Queen recording appears on Opera.
Honestly, "Mr. Kite", especially in terms of melody, seems very modern for its time to me. It's certainly not "Within You Without You"-pushing boundaries, but I'm pretty sure that melody could not have been written in, say, 1950.
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