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Post by aaronsamazing on Jun 16, 2022 21:49:46 GMT
I hate how, outside of compilations these are the only streamable versions of the albums. They advertised the “Mr. Bad Guy” special edition as ultising clear vocal takes, but they sound like they’ve been digitally butchered to me. Just leave Freddie’s vocals alone.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 16, 2022 22:09:41 GMT
A sign of the times, perhaps? With physical media, you always have access to the originals if you don't like 'new' versions, but if streaming services don't give you that choice, you're a little bit stuffed.
This discussion has been had on here several times (not about MBG especially), and personally, unless it's blatantly obvious like on Believe by Cher, I can't hear any of these vocal tweaks people complain about, but that might just be because I'm old and half deaf.
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Post by pg on Jun 17, 2022 7:14:59 GMT
Then don't stream.
It's an appalling method of consuming music.... support for the artists is so low it may as well be Napster.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2022 13:35:37 GMT
Yes, completely agree that autotune ruins these things.
What infuriates me is when they put it on 'rough' or 'raw takes' (e.g. the early take of Who Needs You on the NOTW box set). Do they really think people who want to pay to listen to rough early demos will be unhappy if Freddie isn't perfectly in pitch? Truly bizarre and unnecessary.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 19, 2022 15:31:21 GMT
Then don't stream. It's an appalling method of consuming music.... support for the artists is so low it may as well be Napster. And ironically today Napster is one of the higher paying streaming platforms (while still paltry).
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Post by georg on Jun 19, 2022 16:28:23 GMT
I must have awful ears, because I can’t tell when AutoTune is used (unless it’s painfully obvious). Then again I stream everything on Apple Music, so picking up on those nuances is beyond me already.
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Post by onedunpark on Jun 19, 2022 16:32:50 GMT
Have to say, I’m in the same boat. Many of the ‘issues’ people point out in remasters/reissues, etc, pass me by completely until pointed out and even then without a clear A/B comparison I very often don’t know what I’m listening for.
Sometimes ignorance truly is bliss.
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Post by potpotmixes on Jun 19, 2022 23:37:28 GMT
I think in this case, it doesn't ruin the "special edition." Their aim was to "take advantage of the time, resources and technology that Freddie may not have originally had available to him in the 1980s," and autotune is one of those technologies so I think it should be expected.
I do agree that they did bad advertising when they say that they used "first generation vocals showing Freddie's incredible vocal range." They are technically right as they didn't say unaltered vocals but it clearly mislead a few.
I didn't really notice any bad autotuning or any at all unless I do an intensive side-by-side comparison, which is still hard to notice the autotuning. If their aim was to be like what Giles Martin did to the Beatles catalogue recently, then it would definitely ruin it. But knowing QPL's track record and their intentions, I think it's justified. It is a good sounding remix tho I still prefer the original IWBTLY mix, I just miss those bad edits.
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Post by deathtoming on Jun 20, 2022 1:07:31 GMT
I hate how, outside of compilations these are the only streamable versions of the albums. They advertised the “Mr. Bad Guy” special edition as ultising clear vocal takes, but they sound like they’ve been digitally butchered to me. Just leave Freddie’s vocals alone. Since "butchered" is a fairly strong word, you've got my attention -- can you point out a couple of places where the autotune is most obvious in the Special Edition? I'm genuinely curious, in case it doesn't come across that way. Like some others here, I don't notice what appears to be so clearly obvious to some, but I'm always interested in comparing different versions/masters/mixes once I know what I'm looking for.
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Post by donovan on Jun 21, 2022 11:57:24 GMT
Most times I've bothered to watch a video of someone on Youtube pointing out the edits/overdubs/autotunes, I'm usually left thinking "That sounds better, I can see why they did that..." Glad I don't have the ears or brain to be able to notice and have it ruin my experience.
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Post by chowder on Jun 24, 2022 8:31:26 GMT
Most times I've bothered to watch a video of someone on Youtube pointing out the edits/overdubs/autotunes, I'm usually left thinking "That sounds better, I can see why they did that..." Glad I don't have the ears or brain to be able to notice and have it ruin my experience. Agreed. Same applies to me. Ignorance is bliss in this case. I feel sorry for those who studied something music related for years and now need to suffer and might have a hard time to enjoy music :/ But I guess you have this issue in many areas. Once you get a certain lvl of knowledge, you notice stuff (good or bad) that others might not.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 24, 2022 10:38:23 GMT
the problem with auto-tune is it has been overused to make bad singers sound okay/good - across a whole song.
in the main - for the purposes of "tidying up" a recording i think it's fine - if it's limited to a little tweak here or there.
however, I place one huge caveat on that: i'm against it for any live LPs/videos from gigs I attended. the blips/mistakes/voice cracks are part of the memory. auto-tune (in these cases) is rewriting my music life for me. and i don't like it
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 24, 2022 10:57:52 GMT
the problem with auto-tune is it has been overused to make bad singers sound okay/good - across a whole song. in the main - for the purposes of "tidying up" a recording i think it's fine - if it's limited to a little tweak here or there. however, I place one huge caveat on that: i'm against it for any live LPs/videos from gigs I attended. the blips/mistakes/voice cracks are part of the memory. auto-tune (in these cases) is rewriting my music life for me. and i don't like it I wonder if it's been used here? 🤔 In a case like Ozzy, where he's pretty much f**ked in terms of day to day living, is it 'acceptable' to use technology to produce new music that perhaps doesn't sound as terrible as it otherwise might?
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 24, 2022 12:49:56 GMT
100% vocals are autotuned and a semitone sped up- to the point that
"every hallway is painted white as the light that will guide you to your hell making friends with strangers inside my mind cos they seem to know me well"
has some tech somewhere discovered an "Alex Harvey Autotune" - because it's 98% more Alex Harvey than any incarnation of Ozzy - either 70s, 80s or now.
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Post by billy on Jun 25, 2022 13:40:48 GMT
First I’ve heard this “Ozzy” song. Those opening lines remind me of a lucid auto tuned Joe Walsh. But who am I to complain - artists have always used studio tricks to enhance their sound, including reverb and delays. I guess this is just another tool in the tool bag. I wonder if Sharon or his team has gotten him to read the dictionary yet so they’ll have a library of words to stitch together to make his next album?
I’m very much in the same boat as those of you who’ve stated you really can’t hear the subtle use of auto tune - I’ll continue to keep on listening and enjoying my ignorance!
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Post by billy on Jun 25, 2022 13:54:46 GMT
however, I place one huge caveat on that: i'm against it for any live LPs/videos from gigs I attended. the blips/mistakes/voice cracks are part of the memory. auto-tune (in these cases) is rewriting my music life for me. and i don't like it I’m jealous that you’ve been to shows that have been professionally released! I haven’t even found any bootlegs of any show I’ve attended. Granted I’ve only seen Queen once and the Cross once. Oh and Q+AL but that doesn’t count to me in the modern era of YouTube vids being uploaded before the shows are even over. Maybe I should broaden my search. Surely there’s a bootleg of a Van Halen, Genesis, Roger Waters, Adam Ant or Mike Watt show I attended...
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