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Post by pimderks on Jul 6, 2022 13:39:55 GMT
Let's hope they will put it out on BR/CD/vinyl at some point in the future.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 6, 2022 14:41:53 GMT
Let's hope they will put it out on BR/CD/vinyl at some point in the future. Presumably we will have to pay for this? Then we will have to buy the Blu-ray at a later date? Not daft are they!
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 6, 2022 14:54:43 GMT
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Post by Brian's Wig on Jul 6, 2022 15:54:59 GMT
Let's hope they will put it out on BR/CD/vinyl at some point in the future. Of course they will. They'll want to maximise profits. Now I may be reading something into this that isn't there, but it seems to me that if they are officially releasing a full show after a decade of touring with Adam, is it all coming to an end? They've lost two years, Brian's had a few health issues and Roger clearly ain't the drummer he used to be. We'd all like them to go on forever, but sooner or later they will have to stop. You can't say it hasn't been one hell of a ride!
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Post by pimderks on Jul 6, 2022 16:46:28 GMT
They should put out a 3D-version of it. The moving screens etc would look awesome I think.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 6, 2022 16:57:09 GMT
I might regret it but I think I'm going to wait for the inevitable BD/CD - it's not as if there's much possibility that they won't release it. Personally, I'd have been happier if they'd put this concert film on Netflix or Amazon Prime, so that existing subscribers wouldn't have to pay again for it, but I guess they probably need the money. They must already be getting through the rumoured ~£200M from the Bo Rhap movie.
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Post by Nicki on Jul 6, 2022 16:59:53 GMT
I guess The Rhapsody Tour is coming to an end then. And QAL got a good opportunity to release it.
I hope they will offer a DVD/BluRay soon to watch it later again. I‘ve just attended several of their concerts in June, so I don‘t really need this stream now.
But of course this isn’t about me and there will be thousands of happy fans, who couldn’t attend a show and who can see this now.
And of course, I will watch as well. Since I‘m not sure that there will be any physical release of this.
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Post by nico on Jul 6, 2022 21:40:09 GMT
I'm not very interested in Q+AL... But this artwork is nice.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 6, 2022 22:12:59 GMT
I'm not very interested in Q+AL... But this artwork is nice. It'd be even nicer on a Blu-ray.
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Post by eiricd on Jul 7, 2022 7:17:30 GMT
Pretty good artwork. I suppose they have a physical release in mind when they’ve come this far already; editing, mixing etc.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 7, 2022 8:30:57 GMT
Pretty good artwork. I suppose they have a physical release in mind when they’ve come this far already; editing, mixing etc. What worries me slightly is that if they can get £20 a shot without the production costs of physical media... Is this the way things are going?
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Post by pimderks on Jul 7, 2022 9:31:49 GMT
Pretty good artwork. I suppose they have a physical release in mind when they’ve come this far already; editing, mixing etc. What worries me slightly is that if they can get £20 a shot without the production costs of physical media... Is this the way things are going? I hope they're betting on us to double dip. Buy the streaming access and then release on BR/vinyl in 2023. But it's Queen Productions, I wouldn't be surprised either if this ends up on the shelves in a dark archive somewhere on Brian's estate - next to the Hangman sessions, the Don't Try So Hard video outtakes and the August 1991 Driven By You sessions with Freddie.
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Post by eiricd on Jul 7, 2022 13:54:45 GMT
Pretty good artwork. I suppose they have a physical release in mind when they’ve come this far already; editing, mixing etc. What worries me slightly is that if they can get £20 a shot without the production costs of physical media... Is this the way things are going? Second that. I hate this development. What’s more; I always find video streams inferior in terms of bitrate :/
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 7, 2022 16:56:28 GMT
What worries me slightly is that if they can get £20 a shot without the production costs of physical media... Is this the way things are going? Second that. I hate this development. What’s more; I always find video streams inferior in terms of bitrate :/ Yes, as I understand it, the picture and audio would be compressed for streaming. Unless, of course, you pay extra for the higher quality stream. They don't miss a trick, do they?
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Post by breakthru80 on Jul 7, 2022 17:29:46 GMT
Pretty good artwork. I suppose they have a physical release in mind when they’ve come this far already; editing, mixing etc. What worries me slightly is that if they can get £20 a shot without the production costs of physical media... Is this the way things are going? I think that happened with the VR THE CHAMPIONS concert… they recorded the concert in Barcelona in 3D and never had a physical release… in fact, in that time I wasn’t able to even access to it. Anybody saw that VR THE CHAMPIONS concert? Any opinions?
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Post by Brian's Wig on Jul 7, 2022 17:59:18 GMT
I'm not very interested in Q+AL... But this artwork is nice. Really? I think it's awful. Just like most of the Queen artwork we've had to suffer the last 20 years.
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Post by pg on Jul 7, 2022 19:16:09 GMT
I might regret it but I think I'm going to wait for the inevitable BD/CD - it's not as if there's much possibility that they won't release it. Personally, I'd have been happier if they'd put this concert film on Netflix or Amazon Prime, so that existing subscribers wouldn't have to pay again for it, but I guess they probably need the money. They must already be getting through the rumoured ~£200M from the Bo Rhap movie. A couple of points if I may. 1. Somebody will capture the stream, so if it doesn't get a proper release, it will be possible to re-view it, albeit not 100% legally. (After the stream ceases to be available, does it count as an "official release" - the Live At Wembley broadcast was unofficial until the album / vid came out in ~1992) 2. I heard a reference to this £200m profit from the film on the radio, but it seemed more likely to me that the FILM made $200m profit, none of which would go to the band, as they didn't, as far as I know, provide any funding in the first place. Reading further, it appears that the film still appears as a loss, due to the inevitable Hollywood Accounting. Any money that the band have made will be an indirect consequence of more streams, sales, etc....and the source of the headlines appears to be that someone has compared QPLs accounts for 2019 with 2018, and concluded that 100% of the revenue increase is due to the film, further assuming that all that revenue is profit, and not subject to either corporation tax or income tax. Edit... and as far as I saw, that revenue increase is 20m, and the profit on that is split 4 ways. Still a nice chunk, but probably not life changing...
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 7, 2022 21:01:14 GMT
I might regret it but I think I'm going to wait for the inevitable BD/CD - it's not as if there's much possibility that they won't release it. Personally, I'd have been happier if they'd put this concert film on Netflix or Amazon Prime, so that existing subscribers wouldn't have to pay again for it, but I guess they probably need the money. They must already be getting through the rumoured ~£200M from the Bo Rhap movie. A couple of points if I may. 1. Somebody will capture the stream, so if it doesn't get a proper release, it will be possible to re-view it, albeit not 100% legally. (After the stream ceases to be available, does it count as an "official release" - the Live At Wembley broadcast was unofficial until the album / vid came out in ~1992) 2. I heard a reference to this £200m profit from the film on the radio, but it seemed more likely to me that the FILM made $200m profit, none of which would go to the band, as they didn't, as far as I know, provide any funding in the first place. Reading further, it appears that the film still appears as a loss, due to the inevitable Hollywood Accounting. Any money that the band have made will be an indirect consequence of more streams, sales, etc....and the source of the headlines appears to be that someone has compared QPLs accounts for 2019 with 2018, and concluded that 100% of the revenue increase is due to the film, further assuming that all that revenue is profit, and not subject to either corporation tax or income tax. Edit... and as far as I saw, that revenue increase is 20m, and the profit on that is split 4 ways. Still a nice chunk, but probably not life changing... My comment about the rumoured ~£200m profit was purely speculative and unsubstantiated, so apologies if it came across otherwise, but I just wanted to illuminate the point that they could have put this on the likes of Netflix and / or Amazon Prime, but seemingly chose a platform where it would require a separate payment from viewers. That said, one has to assume that they would still have received a revenue from it being shown on Netflix or Amazon. I don't claim to be an expert on the business side of these things, so this is just from an every day punter's point of view. From information on Wiki, it seems the film grossed over £900m worldwide, so make of this what you will: "Bohemian Rhapsody grossed $216.7 million in the United States and Canada, and $694.4 million in other territories, for a total worldwide gross of $911.1 million, against a production budget of about $52 million."
With regards the stream being an "official product", it would certainly be seen as an official production while the stream is officially available, so no links to illegal / unofficial streams or unauthorised uploads / shares of the broadcast would be permitted on the forum. I would say that the rule would still apply even if the stream were no longer available, as it would still be official copyrighted material, but we could possibly look at that if the situation arises. I find it hard to believe that they would broadcast it for a few days only, then for it never to be seen again.
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Post by pimderks on Jul 7, 2022 21:05:48 GMT
Don't forget, this is Queen Productions we're talking about! I wouldn't be surprised at all if it ends up being a streaming only release. I wonder if it'll be the full show or a 90 minutes highlights edit.
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Post by nico on Jul 7, 2022 21:22:17 GMT
I'm not very interested in Q+AL... But this artwork is nice. Really? I think it's awful. Just like most of the Queen artwork we've had to suffer the last 20 years. I agree their artwork generally sucks, and not just for the last 20 years! To me, Richard Gray's nadir was Brian's 1993 Brixton concert release... Or was it "return if thé champions" ? This one... Yeah, I really think it looks nice.
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Post by rylan2020 on Jul 8, 2022 7:01:49 GMT
Really? I think it's awful. Just like most of the Queen artwork we've had to suffer the last 20 years. I agree their artwork generally sucks, and not just for the last 20 years! To me, Richard Gray's nadir was Brian's 1993 Brixton concert release... Or was it "return if thé champions" ? This one... Yeah, I really think it looks nice. I thought A Night At The Odeon was good artwork.
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Post by pg on Jul 8, 2022 8:56:46 GMT
The film having revenue of $900m doesn't mean it was profitable even with production budget of $50m. That budget doesn't include marketing, production of physical media, distribution. But dwarfing all that is Hollywood Accounting- en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accountingReturn Of The Jedi Harry Potter Lord Of The Rings None of these are officially profitable.
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Post by Dimitris on Jul 8, 2022 9:34:38 GMT
The film having revenue of $900m doesn't mean it was profitable even with production budget of $50m. That budget doesn't include marketing, production of physical media, distribution. But dwarfing all that is Hollywood Accounting- en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accountingReturn Of The Jedi Harry Potter Lord Of The Rings None of these are officially profitable. Having friend in media industry, there is always a profit, for the companies etc. Accounting many times is a labyrinth and takes time.
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Post by eiricd on Jul 8, 2022 15:26:35 GMT
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Post by pg on Jul 8, 2022 18:30:55 GMT
The film having revenue of $900m doesn't mean it was profitable even with production budget of $50m. That budget doesn't include marketing, production of physical media, distribution. But dwarfing all that is Hollywood Accounting- en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accountingReturn Of The Jedi Harry Potter Lord Of The Rings None of these are officially profitable. Having friend in media industry, there is always a profit, for the companies etc. Accounting many times is a labyrinth and takes time. The STUDIOS make a profit, agreed. Films do not. Warner Brothers (for example) will have a profitable Marketing, Finance, Licensing departments (and I'm sure many others). The individual companies incorporated for the purpose of making a film incur (or more accurately, are assigned) so many non-production costs that they are not in profit at any time.
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Post by Raf on Jul 9, 2022 3:06:01 GMT
I might regret it but I think I'm going to wait for the inevitable BD/CD - it's not as if there's much possibility that they won't release it. Personally, I'd have been happier if they'd put this concert film on Netflix or Amazon Prime, so that existing subscribers wouldn't have to pay again for it, but I guess they probably need the money. They must already be getting through the rumoured ~£200M from the Bo Rhap movie. A couple of points if I may. 1. Somebody will capture the stream, so if it doesn't get a proper release, it will be possible to re-view it, albeit not 100% legally. (After the stream ceases to be available, does it count as an "official release" - the Live At Wembley broadcast was unofficial until the album / vid came out in ~1992) Will people do it? Yes. But Queen is copyrighting the video. From the stream page: --- Anyway, if any of you is worried about this being a one-time thing, I know a guy who knows a guy who guarantees OBS Studio (which is free) can be rather practical to record a streaming. Sites can't detect they're being recorded and block it. You just need a decent CPU and RAM, it doesn't even need to be much (this acquitance's acquitance used a 10th gen i5 laptop with 8GB RAM and a SSD to record a 2-hour streaming @ 1080p) and you have to policy yourself not to move your mouse once after hitting play, otherwise the recording will be polluted with the controls bar popping up. Just don't share your recording, we've been taping TV and radio broadcasts for decades, but as far as I know, it's never been a legal problema as long as you don't start selling or giving away copies of your tape. I guess most people who would go through the hassle of doing that would most likely buy the DVD/BR as soon as it came out, and those who wouldn't would probably download a torrent of the official release, which certainly will be out there as soon as the DVD/BR is released anyway.
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Post by pg on Jul 9, 2022 5:28:12 GMT
Will people do it? Yes. But Queen is copyrighting the video. Channel 4 copyrighted Real Magic.... BBC copyrighted the original Hammersmith broadcast.... My point is that broadcasts (which this effectively is) used to be fair game for sharing, it's just a philosophical tangent though.
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Post by deathtoming on Jul 9, 2022 18:41:46 GMT
Pretty good artwork. I suppose they have a physical release in mind when they’ve come this far already; editing, mixing etc. What worries me slightly is that if they can get £20 a shot without the production costs of physical media... Is this the way things are going? To me, this streaming option they're making available can't be a replacement to a physical release. One of the selling points of this stream is the ability to interact with other fans live through the chat and other features, so it's a very different experience that they're selling. And that's the key: they're hoping that you're willing to pay a premium not only for the earlier access to the show (vs. a potential later physical release), but also the experience of the live interactions that are spontaneous and unique to that particular stream. The limited availability of the on-demand videos serves to underscore how this is being marketed as an experience, as opposed to a product. I would be surprised if Queen Productions would see this as a replacement for a physical release that would bring further revenue in the future, likely from mostly a different demographic. Mind you, I'm not saying the interactive features make it worth it for me personally, but there are plenty of examples of interactive streams that show there is a market for this. On a different note, seeing how there is a 4k streaming option, does this mean we'll potentially see the first 4k Queen disc (not counting the movie)?
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Post by baronlutenvank on Jul 11, 2022 15:18:29 GMT
Not gonna lie, I'm digging the artwork. Reminds me of those concert posters from the 60s with the groovy-looking text. They might as well release this as an album. Not everyone's got the internet speed to watch this on a livestream without starting and stopping like a dying car.
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Post by pg on Jul 19, 2022 7:53:24 GMT
A thought occurred while wading through some of the press stuff ...
- where is the target market? The pricing (round number of $, converted to £, and no mention of € or ¥) suggests the US, but the stream goes live early-mid morning in the US. Looking at the timezones, the audience getting the stream at a "concert-watching time" is in India.
Now, it's probably the case that the streaming partner happens to be a US company and pricing defaults accordingly, and the stream "realease" is determined by the availability of the stars on a show day (after lunch, before soundcheck).
But.... wouldn't a worldwide pricing structure be in QPL's thoughts? and given how near they'll be to the end of the tour, why not wait a couple of days, and do the QA at a time that suits early evening wherever the most tickets have sold?
My general point is that it doesn't necessarily come across as slick.
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