Lord Fickle
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 5, 2022 13:26:30 GMT
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Post by jeroeng on Oct 5, 2022 14:46:04 GMT
Just had a lengthy talk with dutch customs service, and in fact it is crystal clear what is wrong:
If Universal/Queenonline/Digital Stores wants to collect VAT on their invoice (which they do at this moment), it is mandatory that they have an IOSS number (which is needed to digitally mark the packages as 'VAT paid'). It is not enough to simply write this on the package or on the invoice attached to the package, the only way to do this is using IOSS. If a company doesn't have an IOSS number, they are not allowed to charge VAT for foreign customers. Simple as that. So it seems that technically Universal/Queenonline/Digital Stores is breaking international laws.
They are charging VAT to non-UK customers on their invoices, this money is not going to the tax authorities of the customers country, it is also not going to the UK tax authority, this money is simply floating back to Universal/Queenonline/Digital Stores themselves. Like the dutch customs service employee said to me: "Oh, I know very well where that money is going, it is completely going back into their own pockets. Apparently it is a nice revenue model." Really, if this is true, then technically Universal/Queenonline/Digital Stores is simply stealing money from customers and foreign tax authorities.
They HAVE TO start using IOSS (again, this is MANDATORY!) or stop charging VAT to non-UK customers. If they don't, they are breaking the law.
But how can we get them to do that? Because completing against Universal is like a mouse competing to a giant........
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Post by jeroeng on Oct 5, 2022 14:53:56 GMT
Thanks for the links. Clicking one step further brings me to www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-exports-dispatches-and-supplying-goods-abroadWhere it literally states: "VAT on exports VAT is a tax on goods used in the UK and you do not charge VAT if goods are exported from: Great Britain to a destination outside the UK Northern Ireland to a destination outside the UK and EU." So when Universal sells something to a customer outside the UK, they don't have to charge VAT! .... as said above, if they however choose to collect the VAT for the customer (which they do at this moment) , they are obligated to use IOSS. If Universal doesn't use IOSS, they are not permitted to charge VAT.
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Post by jeroeng on Oct 5, 2022 16:10:27 GMT
I sent another mail to Digital Stores an hour ago and asked them to correct their VAT policy and asked for a refund of the VAT they charged me. Within one hour they replied and 100% refunded the VAT they charged me. (They kept silent about their VAT procedure though) So apparently complaining helps, but no garantee things will change in the future.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 5, 2022 17:29:37 GMT
You have to be careful making allegations that they're acting illegally, as I expect Universal have pretty good lawyers, but something is clearly questionable about the way customers are being invoiced, so the more people that bring it to their attention, the more chance there might be of the issue being resolved.
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Post by ncc1701q on Oct 6, 2022 10:51:17 GMT
I got the vinyl/cd-package delivered today (to the Netherlands). It states the discounted value on the package and was delivered without any additional customs-costs. No idea why, just glad it did.
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Post by jeroeng on Oct 6, 2022 11:37:04 GMT
I got the vinyl/cd-package delivered today (to the Netherlands). It states the discounted value on the package and was delivered without any additional customs-costs. No idea why, just glad it did. I heard a similar thing from a friend of mine. Package received without any problems and no additional customs-costs. The difference between him and me was that he chose standard delivery and I chose courier delivery (because of my previous Another World order being lost two times and when cancelled and re-ordered with courier I received within 3 days, so I wanted to be sure this time). I got it a week earlier then him, but with additional customs-costs. I think I'll take the chance for standard delivery again next time.
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Post by Plengel on Oct 9, 2022 9:36:19 GMT
It seems mine got through as well with no additional VAT charges. Got a message that I can collect it tomorrow at the PostNL pick-up point.
I also took my chances and chose for standard mail delivery. It took a while longer, but it now turns out a bargain.
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Post by breakthru80 on Oct 10, 2022 11:18:24 GMT
I sent another mail to Digital Stores an hour ago and asked them to correct their VAT policy and asked for a refund of the VAT they charged me. Within one hour they replied and 100% refunded the VAT they charged me. (They kept silent about their VAT procedure though) So apparently complaining helps, but no garantee things will change in the future. Ho Jeroeng, Thanks for bringing up this information, it is very useful. I will also complain about this for my last order, but did you ask for the refund of the VAT they charged you in previous orders? I checked and they always charged me VAT in my orders during 2022. Do you think we can ask for a refund of the VAT of all the orders? Any experiences from other forum members? Thank you.
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Post by Vali on Oct 10, 2022 13:41:04 GMT
I sent another mail to Digital Stores an hour ago and asked them to correct their VAT policy and asked for a refund of the VAT they charged me. Within one hour they replied and 100% refunded the VAT they charged me. (They kept silent about their VAT procedure though) So apparently complaining helps, but no garantee things will change in the future. Pls could you share their email address? Can’t find it, sorry. I’ve received today the arrival notification for Roger’s Outsider Tour vinyl from the spanish post and they’re also double charging me the VAT. Many tks in advance!
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Post by jeroeng on Oct 12, 2022 8:04:12 GMT
I sent another mail to Digital Stores an hour ago and asked them to correct their VAT policy and asked for a refund of the VAT they charged me. Within one hour they replied and 100% refunded the VAT they charged me. (They kept silent about their VAT procedure though) So apparently complaining helps, but no garantee things will change in the future. Pls could you share their email address? Can’t find it, sorry. I’ve received today the arrival notification for Roger’s Outsider Tour vinyl from the spanish post and they’re also double charging me the VAT. Many tks in advance! I had contact with them through the contact form on the website, which can be found here: umusicstoresupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-usor specifically umusicstoresupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/newAfter that they responded at first using the E-mail address support@umusicstoresupport.zendesk.com , but after three mails Digitalstorescs.uk@ingrammicro.com was used. (possibly the E-mail address changed?)
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Post by jeroeng on Oct 12, 2022 8:07:30 GMT
I sent another mail to Digital Stores an hour ago and asked them to correct their VAT policy and asked for a refund of the VAT they charged me. Within one hour they replied and 100% refunded the VAT they charged me. (They kept silent about their VAT procedure though) So apparently complaining helps, but no garantee things will change in the future. Ho Jeroeng, Thanks for bringing up this information, it is very useful. I will also complain about this for my last order, but did you ask for the refund of the VAT they charged you in previous orders? I checked and they always charged me VAT in my orders during 2022. Do you think we can ask for a refund of the VAT of all the orders? Any experiences from other forum members? Thank you. No , I didn't, I only asked for a refund of the current order. So that is the 'Outsider Tour' release order and my previous order for the 'Another World' release (which in the end they refunded almost completely because many more things went wrong, which was actually the reason for choosing courier delivery this time instead of standard delivery) I actually doubt if it will be of any use to ask for refunds for older orders. As said, I personally didn't try it.
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Post by Vali on Oct 12, 2022 8:13:21 GMT
Many tks!! Help much appreciated! 👍🏼
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Post by jeroeng on Oct 12, 2022 8:15:04 GMT
I checked and they always charged me VAT in my orders during 2022. After reading this I checked my previous orders as well, dating back to 2014 and something occurred to me. In orders until 2020 VAT was charged (and correctly I believe, as pre-Brexit) In all 2021 orders VAT was NOT charged. In all 2022 orders VAT was charged. So why no VAT charge in 2021, but added back in 2022 ? I don't understand it.
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Post by podders79 on Oct 12, 2022 14:09:02 GMT
Yup. Just paid €12.50 to pick up my Roger Taylor Outsider Live LP from La Poste. Got a copy of the signed Outsider poster last year and had to pay an addtional €25. Ou la la!
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Post by Vali on Oct 12, 2022 14:28:26 GMT
Yup. Just paid €12.50 to pick up my Roger Taylor Outsider Live LP from La Poste. Got a copy of the signed Outsider poster last year and had to pay an addtional €25. Ou la la! This is unacceptable. I also had to pay €15 to pick my RT Outsider Live from the spanish post. My last buy at the QOL store, I don’t care what exclusives they may sell in the future, until they become a serious company and realize that they really need to create a store for EU citizens.
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Post by dane on Oct 18, 2022 6:26:01 GMT
Do any of you Dutchies know which postal service delivers packages from the Queen Store (in the Netherlands)?
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Post by bootLuca on Oct 18, 2022 7:15:16 GMT
Already got an answer from Digital Stores Customer Services, but I'm not sure if I can do anything with it... They answered: "Thank you for your message. Unfortunately, we do not have an IOSS number, but our VAT number is GB 246 2974 39. You should be able to claim any VAT paid back through your local tax office. If you require any further assistance, please let us know." Has anyone ever tried contacting their customs service to get the double paid VAT back using the VAT number of the company in question? I don't have the slightest idea how this should work, and if I would make any chance to be so lucky to get the double paid VAT back this way. Apart from that I have the opinion that Queenonline/Digital Stores is the one failing to correctly handle things, so it doesn't feel right that I should repair their fault. They should do it, but it's clear that they won't. Ah well, we now have the VAT number of Queenonline/Digital Stores, so other people can try it as well. yes of course, as I wrote a few posts ago, I had had problems with VAT paid twice on packages outside the EU by Amazon, I phoned the Italian Post Office Customs section several times, sent several PECs, opened 3 complaints and contacted them through a consumer association, what I got after 1.5 years was a nice wall of omertà in typical Italian mafia style
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Post by Plengel on Oct 23, 2022 14:38:53 GMT
It seems mine got through as well with no additional VAT charges. Got a message that I can collect it tomorrow at the PostNL pick-up point. I also took my chances and chose for standard mail delivery. It took a while longer, but it now turns out a bargain. Ok, I was a little bit too early by saving it got through without additional charges. When picking it up at PostNL, the postal service in the Netherlands, I had to pay additional VAT of € 8,45. I must say however, that I had absolutely no problems in getting a refund. Just one e-mail the the UMUK store explaining the situation and last week I got the money refunded to my bank account.
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Post by dane on Nov 19, 2022 11:05:15 GMT
I received an email from DHL yesterday that my Miracle box set will be delivered coming Monday, but that I need to pay Import Duty and VAT. A total of €75,- This seems a bit excessive..
The original invoice stated VAT(Netherlands) was paid and our national Tax Service website states that import duty for CD's Dvd and books on orders over €150.- is in fact 0%
We've talked about VAT in this thread, but has anyone also had issues with the Import Duty??
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Post by Plengel on Nov 19, 2022 17:59:26 GMT
I received an email from DHL yesterday that my Miracle box set will be delivered coming Monday, but that I need to pay Import Duty and VAT. A total of €75,- This seems a bit excessive.. The original invoice stated VAT(Netherlands) was paid and our national Tax Service website states that import duty for CD's Dvd and books on orders over €150.- is in fact 0% We've talked about VAT in this thread, but has anyone also had issues with the Import Duty?? Yes, unfortunately I got fooled again as well... got an e-mail from DHL to pay € 63,- VAT and Import duties... Sigh... I took the risk, because I really wanten the Press Kit Exclusive, but if I don't get the VAT and Import Duties refunded I will have paid well over € 100,- too much for the boxset... Let's e-mail UMUK again and see what they'll come up with. Last time I got my money back within one e-mail and a week.
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Post by bootLuca on Nov 19, 2022 18:44:09 GMT
I received an email from DHL yesterday that my Miracle box set will be delivered coming Monday, but that I need to pay Import Duty and VAT. A total of €75,- This seems a bit excessive.. The original invoice stated VAT(Netherlands) was paid and our national Tax Service website states that import duty for CD's Dvd and books on orders over €150.- is in fact 0% We've talked about VAT in this thread, but has anyone also had issues with the Import Duty?? Same.... mail from DHL and Eur 70 to Italy.....
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Post by bootLuca on Nov 19, 2022 18:46:39 GMT
I received an email from DHL yesterday that my Miracle box set will be delivered coming Monday, but that I need to pay Import Duty and VAT. A total of €75,- This seems a bit excessive.. The original invoice stated VAT(Netherlands) was paid and our national Tax Service website states that import duty for CD's Dvd and books on orders over €150.- is in fact 0% We've talked about VAT in this thread, but has anyone also had issues with the Import Duty?? Yes, unfortunately I got fooled again as well... got an e-mail from DHL to pay € 63,- VAT and Import duties... Sigh... I took the risk, because I really wanten the Press Kit Exclusive, but if I don't get the VAT and Import Duties refunded I will have paid well over € 100,- too much for the boxset... Let's e-mail UMUK again and see what they'll come up with. Last time I got my money back within one e-mail and a week. who did you write to?
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Post by Plengel on Nov 19, 2022 19:13:55 GMT
I'll have to check, but I think it was the standard service e-mail on the UMUK website
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Post by Plengel on Nov 19, 2022 19:19:04 GMT
Communication was via support@umusicstoresupport.zendesk.com
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Post by jeroeng on Nov 19, 2022 21:29:00 GMT
I'm so glad that I decided to not buy this boxset via QOL this time... (although I did buy the picture disc as it was a QOL exclusive) I was already afraid that nothing would have been changed and that double VAT was charged again. Luckily it seems that QOL/Universal by now are not making a big problem of refunding the double paid VAT. Still THEY are making a mistake, so THEY Should fix it beforehand! About the import duties. I knew that import duties would be charged for anything above €150, because the boxset is more expensive than €150. However for CD's and DVD's the percentage for import duties should be 0%. See this list (translated) list from www.belastingdienst.nlproduct - import duties - VAT Telephones - 0% - 21% Laptops & tablets - 0% - 21% Headphones & microphones - 0% - 21% Toys - max 4,7% - 21% Books - 0% - 9% Cd’s & Dvd’s - 0% - 21% Suitcases & bags - max 9,7% - 21% Shoes & boots - max 17% - 21% Jewelry - max 4% - 21% Clothing - max 12% - 21% Cosmetics & care products - 0% - 21% Car- & motorcycle parts - max 4,5% - 21% Watches - 4,5% (min €0,30/max € 0,80 per watch) - 21% So that can means two things: 1) QOL fucked up by not marking the package as CD/DVD, but as something else which has a higher % (but I don't see how they could mark it as something else besides CD, DVD or maybe a book, which all go for 0%) 2) Dutch customs fucked up and charged money for something that shouldn't be charged. In the first case you should complain at QOL, in the second case you should complain at dutch costoms (which is quite complicated usually)
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Post by rylan2020 on Nov 20, 2022 0:29:14 GMT
Is there import duties for Vinyl/LP? QPL Might have marked it as that for some reason.
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Post by Plengel on Nov 20, 2022 11:20:25 GMT
I will check again tomorrow when it gets delivered, but I think it was marked as 'Music and Movie Merchandise'. Not sure in which tax or import duties category it then falls. One could argue if it shouldn't be declared as plain CD's, DVD's or Vinyl....
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Post by jimmydean on Nov 22, 2022 10:58:40 GMT
So I'm from Canada - and what is clear is the invoice mentions 0 VAT is charged... yet i'm charged the full UK price! i asked UM about it - and the agents have no clue what i'm saying... i explain that i'm being charge VAT as there is no reduction from the posted UK price (as per the website). Then they point out that the invoice says 0 VAT included in amount. So then I asked whether there is foreigner surcharge, as that would mean any non-VAT paying person would simply be charged the full price VAT included as the retail charge of that particular item.... after asking them to confirm that, I got a generic email saying I should show my invoice with proof that VAT was charged to my local customs agent (which of course is impossible as it indicates VAT was not charged on my invoice even though the price listed is exactly the same as the website.... 169.99 GBP (box + EPK) and 31.99 GBP for the picdisc.
Anyways, of course DHL is charging me local sales tax which isn't too bad at 5% + a small brokerage fee of maybe 10$ (much much less than FedEx charges!)... but i should not be charged the almost 20% VAT included in the price. If it weren't for the weak GBP + the exclusive EPK + my birthday discount of 10% - I would not have bought the box set from queenonline for exactly this reason.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Nov 22, 2022 11:22:54 GMT
So, have you paid VAT twice? If the invoice states 0 VAT, then it must have already been included in the sale price. If you've not been charged VAT (or the Canadian equivalent) again, then isn't that correct? Any other import duties are not down to the seller, if I understand correctly. If UM didn't charge you the 20% UK VAT, then where should that have been collected from?
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