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Post by Plengel on Jul 20, 2023 15:42:32 GMT
You would expect they've learned by now...
I skipped the VAT trouble this time by ordering the boxset in the Netherlands this time. It was also a bit cheaper this way.
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Post by jeroeng on Jul 20, 2023 15:49:18 GMT
You would expect they've learned by now... I skipped the VAT trouble this time by ordering the boxset in the Netherlands this time. It was also a bit cheaper this way. I only ordered the QOL-exclusive items (cassette, 7", CD-single, 12"PD) , the rest that I wanted (12", CD) I ordered at the local record shop. They're cheaper and guess what?... I already received those, so they're faster too. Now only waiting for the Japanese 2CD (I didn't order the boxset, way too expensive for my taste)
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Post by wijnand on Jul 24, 2023 9:59:33 GMT
Let's keep an eye open to see what will happen now that the Star Fleet releases can be pre-ordered... Hopefully QOL has learned how to properly send packages outside of the UK, so that no double VAT will be charged again (but to be honest, I doubt it) What I expected indeed happened: Today I was charged double VAT for my order. QOL still hasn't learned anything! I had to pay it, otherwise customs wouldn't let it sent to my home, so I filled a claim at QOL to refund my double VAT. Let's see how quick they will respond. Received a confirmation today that VAT will be refunded within a few days...
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Post by jeroeng on Jul 24, 2023 22:48:14 GMT
What I expected indeed happened: Today I was charged double VAT for my order. QOL still hasn't learned anything! I had to pay it, otherwise customs wouldn't let it sent to my home, so I filled a claim at QOL to refund my double VAT. Let's see how quick they will respond. Received a confirmation today that VAT will be refunded within a few days... Same here.
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Post by pimderks on Jul 25, 2023 6:46:06 GMT
Got a replacement for my picture disc, had to pay VAT and customs again. 84 euros down the drain for double VAT and customs and no reply from the QOL store yet. Amateur hour all over again, but as long as they keep putting out unique products we'll all buy it
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Post by ncc1701q on Jul 25, 2023 8:08:31 GMT
I'm still waiting for my order to be delivered to the Netherlands, but it looks like a lot of you Dutch fans already received your order?
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Post by jeroeng on Jul 25, 2023 16:01:23 GMT
I'm still waiting for my order to be delivered to the Netherlands, but it looks like a lot of you Dutch fans already received your order? Not yet, I only got a message from customs that I had to pay VAT. Now that I've paid it, it can take up to a week (or more) to be delivered, they say.
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Post by jeroeng on Jul 25, 2023 16:11:11 GMT
Got a replacement for my picture disc, had to pay VAT and customs again. 84 euros down the drain for double VAT and customs and no reply from the QOL store yet. Amateur hour all over again, but as long as they keep putting out unique products we'll all buy it So technically you paid 3x VAT for 1 item... 1x included in the order 1x at customs for the damaged item (incl handling fee) 1x at customs for the replacement item (incl handling fee) And of course you have to go to the hassle to get the double VAT back yourself, and QOL will probably only refund their double VAT, not the 2x VAT charged at customs, and definately not the 2x handling fee that customs charged (but you should insist for that being refunded as well, of course) Combine their incorrect VAT handling with their bad packaging, and you would be tempted to not buy those things from the QOL store anymore, and instead buy them at third party EU re-sellers. www.discogs.com/sell/release/27682428?ev=rbUnfortunately this will always be a gamble, for example ATM no re-sellers for the cassette and the vinyl/CD-single.
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Post by wijnand on Jul 26, 2023 7:12:19 GMT
I'm still waiting for my order to be delivered to the Netherlands, but it looks like a lot of you Dutch fans already received your order? I received everything in the Netherlands on the day of release (July 14).
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Post by mayniac79 on Jul 26, 2023 12:18:18 GMT
My box set is still not shipped and no answer till today of my question, why is this the fact!
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Post by ncc1701q on Aug 2, 2023 18:46:28 GMT
Same here! Got an answer from Universal stating they have no answer to my question about the status of my order….. My box set is still not shipped and no answer till today of my question, why is this the fact!
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Post by jeroeng on May 10, 2024 15:36:52 GMT
I haven't ordered the new Rock Montreal release, but I heard for several people that unfortunately Universal is still charging VAT without mentioning this on their packages via IOSS, causing customers to pay double VAT. When will they finally learn that they are legally required to use IOSS when shipping outside the UK? Saying 'We don't have IOSS so we cannot do anything about it' is just refusing to do what you are legally required to do.
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Post by jeroeng on Sept 11, 2024 14:04:29 GMT
Now that the Queen I boxset is out, it is good to remind people of this ongoing issue once more. I ordered the PictureDisc+7" bundle and the Cassette, and I saw in my order that taxes are already paid, according to QOL. So that means that QOL should mark this on their package and we should not receive an invoice from customs for extra VAT to the EU. Let's keep an eye on this to check if they've finally done it correctly. And in case customs charges VAT, I will (again) ask it back from QOL and demand (again) that they will sort this out for future sales (which they are legally obliged to)
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Post by irish on Sept 30, 2024 12:19:29 GMT
Unfortunately this is still happening, I just got stung for €83 on an order.
I saw some advice about IOSS on page 2 but if anyone who has successfully claimed a VAT has any additional information that should be included, can they share some pointers here.
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Post by alexlizzy on Oct 1, 2024 12:19:05 GMT
Of course its still happening and will continue to happen. I've also written to them many times about this and they always ignore. They do return the extra tax money without a peep if you ask for it. It's like only a proper lawsuit or smth would actually make them stop this practise.
Its very weird that they just dont seem to care, but do return the money if you just ask for it and add a proof you were double charged.
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Post by irish on Oct 5, 2024 12:06:54 GMT
They rejected my VAT refund request so that will be my last order with them.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 5, 2024 12:55:44 GMT
They rejected my VAT refund request so that will be my last order with them. On what grounds did they reject it?
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Post by irish on Oct 5, 2024 14:28:09 GMT
I can confirm that the prices listed on our store include the cost of VAT. These taxes must be included regardless of EU customers or UK customers. I apologise for the confusion. For your order, the €58.16 VAT is included in the price of €299.00. We are unable to action a refund for this charge, as this fee is required for all customers. If you need to claim VAT back through your local postal/customs office, a breakdown of the VAT applied to your order will be provided on your invoice.
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Post by jeroeng on Oct 5, 2024 18:09:22 GMT
I can confirm that the prices listed on our store include the cost of VAT. These taxes must be included regardless of EU customers or UK customers. I apologise for the confusion. For your order, the €58.16 VAT is included in the price of €299.00. We are unable to action a refund for this charge, as this fee is required for all customers. If you need to claim VAT back through your local postal/customs office, a breakdown of the VAT applied to your order will be provided on your invoice. That's simply bullocks! It is simply not possible to claim VAT back through the local customs office, because the only reason they charge VAT is the fact that QOL/Universal are obliged to state on the package that VAT was already paid, and they are obliged to do that DIGITALLY using IOSS. That is not a choice they can make, they are OBLIGED to do that! When they do not digitally register the VAT using IOSS, customs simply will NOT register it and thus they will charge VAT again. That they refuse to refund the double VAT is really scandalous! They say: "For your order, the €58.16 VAT is included in the price of €299.00. We are unable to action a refund for this charge, as this fee is required for all customers." Now that is correct, but only for UK customers. And what they are concealing is that for international (or at least EU) customers they are also OBLIGED to register the VAT digitally by using IOSS, when they do charge VAT. As said, that is not a choice for them to make, they are OBLIGED to do that! Since they have failed to do that, THEY are the ones who should refund you, NOT customs. QOL/Universal is a big company and they should known that, especially since by now multiple customer have made them aware of this! If they genuinely don't know that they are obliged to register VAT digitally using IOSS, they are acting like amateurs. There's really no other word for it. They would not hold up in court in any way, but they simply known that no customer would ever start a lawsuit against them for this, so they keep on doing this, which is technically ILLEGAL! I remember that they once answered me that they are not IOSS-registered. Legally it's simple: If they charge VAT, they are obliged to register this digitally using IOSS. If they can't do that, they are not in the position to charge VAT. It's just as simple as that. shop.brianmayguitars.co.uk/the-bmg-special.html'Brian May Guitar Shop' is doing it correctly, see this example: "UK PRICE £895.00 INC. 20% VAT, WORLDWIDE PRICE £745.83" So non-UK price is lower and does not include VAT. This means that no VAT will be stated on the package, and as a result customs will charge the VAT. This is exactly the reason why I refuse to buy anything at QOL/Universal directly nowadaysa, except some QOL-exclusive releases.
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Post by Plengel on Oct 6, 2024 8:31:53 GMT
I can confirm that the prices listed on our store include the cost of VAT. These taxes must be included regardless of EU customers or UK customers. I apologise for the confusion. For your order, the €58.16 VAT is included in the price of €299.00. We are unable to action a refund for this charge, as this fee is required for all customers. If you need to claim VAT back through your local postal/customs office, a breakdown of the VAT applied to your order will be provided on your invoice. Are we getting the full story here? Was this the case for the pre-order of the Queen I boxset and extra's or did it consider another order from the QOL store? In case of the first, they're absolutely correct; you are obliged to pay VAT, either in the UK or th EU. The double VAT will only be charged upon delivery. It's only after that that you can request a refund. Would be strange to ask for a refund of something your obliged to pay. Maybe they get it right this time... I never had any problems with them, although it shouldn't have come to this situation in the first place. If it's the latter case and it considers an order already delivered and VAT charged double, the it's another story and simply theft...
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Post by irish on Oct 6, 2024 22:10:04 GMT
I can confirm that the prices listed on our store include the cost of VAT. These taxes must be included regardless of EU customers or UK customers. I apologise for the confusion. For your order, the €58.16 VAT is included in the price of €299.00. We are unable to action a refund for this charge, as this fee is required for all customers. If you need to claim VAT back through your local postal/customs office, a breakdown of the VAT applied to your order will be provided on your invoice. Are we getting the full story here? Was this the case for the pre-order of the Queen I boxset and extra's or did it consider another order from the QOL store? In case of the first, they're absolutely correct; you are obliged to pay VAT, either in the UK or th EU. The double VAT will only be charged upon delivery. It's only after that that you can request a refund. Would be strange to ask for a refund of something your obliged to pay. Maybe they get it right this time... I never had any problems with them, although it shouldn't have come to this situation in the first place. If it's the latter case and it considers an order already delivered and VAT charged double, the it's another story and simply theft... In my case, I ordered the signed Roger Taylor poster. It was delivered but in addition to VAT charged by the Queen Store at point of sale, I also had to pay VAT and additional charges upon delivery as they don't mark the item as VAT paid and apparently aren't Import One Stop Shop (IOSS) registered which would prevent this situation.
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Post by ncc1701q on Oct 7, 2024 6:50:11 GMT
I have also had to deal with the double-VAT-situation a number of times. Ordering from the QOL-site for delivery to the Netherlands, it's almost everytime I pay it double, ask for a refund and get it back without any trouble. But; apart from the VAT, I also have to pay for the customs-work - and those costs are not refunded. Would I also have to pay the customs-costs if QOL got their IOSS-shit in order?
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Post by jeroeng on Oct 7, 2024 11:03:29 GMT
Would I also have to pay the customs-costs if QOL got their IOSS-shit in order? Short answer: No. If QOL had their 'IOSS-shit' in order, customs would simply scan the barcode of the package and see that VAT was already paid and let it through. But since QOL doesn't have their 'IOSS-shit' in order, when customs scan the barcode they see that VAT isn't paid, so it goes to customs service where it will be handled, so logically additional costs will be added by them. That QOL already has charged VAT doesn't matter, because they haven't electronically declared this on the package (which can only be done by IOSS) so customs is unable to see this. That's the reason why simply writing a message on the package "VAT already paid" doesn't work either. The barcode scanner doesn't read written text, only barcodes. And the barcode doesn't state that VAT is already because it wasn't digitally declared by IOSS.
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Post by Plengel on Oct 13, 2024 12:11:16 GMT
Are we getting the full story here? Was this the case for the pre-order of the Queen I boxset and extra's or did it consider another order from the QOL store? In case of the first, they're absolutely correct; you are obliged to pay VAT, either in the UK or th EU. The double VAT will only be charged upon delivery. It's only after that that you can request a refund. Would be strange to ask for a refund of something your obliged to pay. Maybe they get it right this time... I never had any problems with them, although it shouldn't have come to this situation in the first place. If it's the latter case and it considers an order already delivered and VAT charged double, the it's another story and simply theft... In my case, I ordered the signed Roger Taylor poster. It was delivered but in addition to VAT charged by the Queen Store at point of sale, I also had to pay VAT and additional charges upon delivery as they don't mark the item as VAT paid and apparently aren't Import One Stop Shop (IOSS) registered which would prevent this situation. I'm sorry to hear that! I must say that I've never had problems of getting a refund for the double VAT. If it would help, I'd be happy to look up the e-mail conversations I had with QP on this topic for you.
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Post by irish on Oct 18, 2024 22:36:10 GMT
In my case, I ordered the signed Roger Taylor poster. It was delivered but in addition to VAT charged by the Queen Store at point of sale, I also had to pay VAT and additional charges upon delivery as they don't mark the item as VAT paid and apparently aren't Import One Stop Shop (IOSS) registered which would prevent this situation. I'm sorry to hear that! I must say that I've never had problems of getting a refund for the double VAT. If it would help, I'd be happy to look up the e-mail conversations I had with QP on this topic for you. If you could share, that would be great. I've followed up a few times and they have rejected my refund request. This was the latest: "Unfortunately, payment of VAT is required for all customers. However, the VAT rate is adjusted automatically depending on the region. In this case, the standard VAT Rate in Ireland is 23%, which I can see was applied to your order as €58.16 EUR. This charge is unable to be refunded, I do apologise. You may find more information regarding VAT in our Terms & Conditions as well as our FAQ page via the link below: umusicstoresupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/25253650422423-Ordering-Outside-of-the-UK-Do-I-Pay-VAT"
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Post by jeroeng on Oct 19, 2024 17:33:10 GMT
Mentioning the 'IOSS- shit' might help. They know they don't use IOSS and refuse to accept that they MUST use IOSS to correctly state VAT has been paid. That means that THEY are in fault and THEY should refund, not customs.
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Post by giermol on Oct 28, 2024 11:13:33 GMT
Hello! For some years I was a quiet reader to this topic and while writing the first post, I would like to thank you guys for a good job informing people about issue and what to do!
I just revieved my package (living in EU) and until the Courier came, I was quite impressed that no email came regarding VAT fees, silently hoping they resolved that matter finally... And now I know why the silence - this time, QOL basically decided to not put any mail/telephone data on the shippment and thus I learned about having to pay just when getting the package. Usually, I was getting a DHL email informing about the payment a day before. A new low achieved - buying at QOL is not only more expensive, you also get the package late and have to pay usual double VAT without getting informed beforehead. In essence, they are now doing even less than before. I just hope VAT return policy will still work as before. I guess that was the last time buying on QOL (unless again I'm fooled by a thing like rest of Cool Cat 7" stock...).
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Post by jjmillenium on Oct 28, 2024 14:44:00 GMT
Hello! For some years I was a quiet reader to this topic and while writing the first post, I would like to thank you guys for a good job informing people about issue and what to do! I just revieved my package (living in EU) and until the Courier came, I was quite impressed that no email came regarding VAT fees, silently hoping they resolved that matter finally... And now I know why the silence - this time, QOL basically decided to not put any mail/telephone data on the shippment and thus I learned about having to pay just when getting the package. Usually, I was getting a DHL email informing about the payment a day before. A new low achieved - buying at QOL is not only more expensive, you also get the package late and have to pay usual double VAT without getting informed beforehead. In essence, they are now doing even less than before. I just hope VAT return policy will still work as before. I guess that was the last time buying on QOL (unless again I'm fooled by a thing like rest of Cool Cat 7" stock...). The same thing happen to me. Normally DHL send an email for paying the taxes, and after payment they deliver. Today I received the order and also expecting the payment. This is insane, after all this years, they still making the same mistakes
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Post by saintjiub on Oct 28, 2024 14:51:09 GMT
Hello! For some years I was a quiet reader to this topic and while writing the first post, I would like to thank you guys for a good job informing people about issue and what to do! I just revieved my package (living in EU) and until the Courier came, I was quite impressed that no email came regarding VAT fees, silently hoping they resolved that matter finally... And now I know why the silence - this time, QOL basically decided to not put any mail/telephone data on the shippment and thus I learned about having to pay just when getting the package. Usually, I was getting a DHL email informing about the payment a day before. A new low achieved - buying at QOL is not only more expensive, you also get the package late and have to pay usual double VAT without getting informed beforehead. In essence, they are now doing even less than before. I just hope VAT return policy will still work as before. I guess that was the last time buying on QOL (unless again I'm fooled by a thing like rest of Cool Cat 7" stock...). The same thing happen to me. Normally DHL send an email for paying the taxes, and after payment they deliver. Today I received the order and also expecting the payment. This is insane, after all this years, they still making the same mistakes Imagine that ... the same "einstein" mistakes ... over and over. Unfortunately, this is real life and all too common today for anything.
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Post by Brian's Wig on Oct 28, 2024 15:37:58 GMT
Is the problem "QOL" or Universal? I ask simply because my picture disc arrived damaged and I filled out the form on QOL only to then be taken to universals website and be dealt with by a universal employee who arranged for a replacement to be sent out. I note that the replacement has "Universal" on the return address.
So I believe QOLshop is just a front - a skin if you like - and the real culprits are Universal themselves.
incidentally, the faulty picture disc was posted back on Friday with a pre-paid shipping label and the replacement arrived on Sunday - 48 hours later!
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