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Post by macduff77 on Mar 24, 2022 18:32:49 GMT
One other thing I forgot to add - the analog cut vinyl sounds amazing and was another reason I bought the box set.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Mar 24, 2022 18:52:35 GMT
www.queenonline.com/news/22-3-89This is a very cryptic meessage on Queenonline and theri social media platforms, throught provoking could we finally see this boxset, mentioned a couple of years ago but obviously shelved. We are certainly overdue a Queen release as Bohemian Rhapsody sountrack was the last one, back in 2018. Not everyone's cup of tea, personally I have fond memories of this album when it was released, all those years back and this sounds intersting, to me at least. Did anyone notice that the image is called "Miracle_tease.jpg" ? Hilarious.
I'd like to think someone would be losing their job for this, but this is also the same official website that once used a photo from my website for a holiday greeting and credited the wrong photographer. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Mar 24, 2022 18:53:04 GMT
Was their any cryptic stuff like this posted for the NOTW boxset? They toured for about 4 months in the lead up with a freakin' massive robot. You, sir, win the internets for today. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Mar 24, 2022 18:56:20 GMT
If it has Face it alone takes 3-4 which are more completed than the leaked demo in 2011, or any better take along with a new life is born, IGWAFO, affairs, it will be very good. I will never understand why people want to hear more of Face It Alone. It's an idea they abandoned because it wasn't very good, like most songs that don't make it past the demo stage.
Give me alternate takes of vocals and guitars of the existing songs on the album over bad unfinished ideas any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Just like the NOTW box set - that disc is fantastic, and is where the bar should be set.
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Post by qdas1980 on Mar 24, 2022 19:57:43 GMT
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Post by chowder on Mar 24, 2022 21:16:31 GMT
I was genuinely interested and excited about this set back then. Especially about the demos/outtakes disc which I still play every now and then. I also enjoyed the video content, although I only ever watched it once. The biggest letdown was the book though. I like to read about how songs or albums were made. So I remember I kept flipping through the pages, looking at the photos like "yeah, nice" until I reached the final page after a few minutes. I did not see one single word and felt very disappointed. Genuine question: people* seem upset that the News of the World box was disappointing. Apart from the lack of a live show (which, I’ll say, was profoundly stupid) and the barebones liner notes (par for the course), were the contents that bad? I mean, an entire disc of alternate takes and mixes, where everything was different enough to be a unique listen, is nothing to sneeze at, and the third disc was kind of a dumping ground of miscellania, but if each album had been given the same treatment (except with a live show and liner notes, thankyouverymuch) I would not be disappointed. I mean, we should be used to the fact that QPL doesn’t give fans what they want, but getting a whole disc of alternates is pretty generous, even for them. *I can’t remember if it was here or on another, non-Queen forum, but recently I saw people bitching about it. |
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Post by mikusguitarius on Mar 24, 2022 23:09:20 GMT
If there is video content on this - like on the NOTW box set - PLEASE lets have it on blu-ray too!!
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Post by saintjiub on Mar 25, 2022 0:58:12 GMT
If there is video content on this - like on the NOTW box set - PLEASE lets have it on blu-ray too!! Will video content created over 30 years ago look better on Blu-Ray compared to DVD? |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Mar 25, 2022 4:57:45 GMT
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Post by The Real Wizard on Mar 25, 2022 4:58:01 GMT
If there is video content on this - like on the NOTW box set - PLEASE lets have it on blu-ray too!! Will video content created over 30 years ago look better on Blu-Ray compared to DVD? If it was filmed on 35mm film and the masters have survived, then absolutely !! |
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Post by manymilesaway on Mar 25, 2022 6:08:10 GMT
Genuine question: people* seem upset that the News of the World box was disappointing. Apart from the lack of a live show (which, I’ll say, was profoundly stupid) and the barebones liner notes (par for the course), were the contents that bad? I mean, an entire disc of alternate takes and mixes, where everything was different enough to be a unique listen, is nothing to sneeze at, and the third disc was kind of a dumping ground of miscellania, but if each album had been given the same treatment (except with a live show and liner notes, thankyouverymuch) I would not be disappointed. I mean, we should be used to the fact that QPL doesn’t give fans what they want, but getting a whole disc of alternates is pretty generous, even for them. *I can’t remember if it was here or on another, non-Queen forum, but recently I saw people bitching about it. I thought that the NOTW boxset was generally well received. I really love what it had to offer, but I do have some small problems with it. As Bob said, the lack of a complete live show was pretty ridiculous considering it's thought to be their best tour by many fans- (Couldn't even do Houston?) But what bothers me the most is that they used pitch correction on the CD called RAW SESSIONS. How ironic. I'm overall optimistic for The Miracle boxset, but the looming threat of QPL's awful pitch correction habits has me worried. |
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Post by fcb101 on Mar 25, 2022 9:07:43 GMT
For me it is quite simple:
A band as big as Queen should release product in several formats, some of it aimed at the casual fan and then the big box sets aimed at the more die-hard fan.
It is not rocket science what can be included in a lavish box set. If the NOTW box had a couple more discs (1 more disc with studio outtakes) and a couple live shows (for example 3 concerts just audio (even if just soundboard, just give us a great sounding recording and we'll have fun with it!) and Houston on a blu ray) it would have been a totally different beast.
They could then charge 150 euro instead of 120 euro and it'd be worth every eurocent.
It's not the product aimed at the masses that's lacking in quality, it are their box sets. They simply do not offer enough rare/unheard content for the charged prices. For that reason I did not buy Brian's Back to the light (I have one at home though and now only 1 member of this forum knows what I'm talking about :-) :-) :-) )
I have zero expectations for the Miracle box since I don't think the mentality at QPL will suddenly have changed.
A true pity because there's a large amount of people like us who will enjoy every second of all those rarities (even if concert recordings are not sourced from multitrack for example or outtakes with some roughness around the edges).
If you compare Queen's box set output with that of other great artists from the sixties and seventies then you can only conclude they have missed the boat of the 21st century, living in the illusion they can offer the same stuff over and over again, just at inflated prices. This is not the case. You can still easily buy the NOTW box... at discount prices... Had the content been great, this would not be the case!
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Post by Dimitris on Mar 25, 2022 9:56:33 GMT
If it has Face it alone takes 3-4 which are more completed than the leaked demo in 2011, or any better take along with a new life is born, IGWAFO, affairs, it will be very good. I will never understand why people want to hear more of Face It Alone. It's an idea they abandoned because it wasn't very good, like most songs that don't make it past the demo stage.
Give me alternate takes of vocals and guitars of the existing songs on the album over bad unfinished ideas any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Just like the NOTW box set - that disc is fantastic, and is where the bar should be set.
As a song it has very good sad melody, vocal Freddie sounds good and not barking. The demo that leaked is not a good presentation of the song. It has a weird drum loop, but in chord progression it is very nice. The takes 3-4 which I have heard are more completed and well stracture. The alternative takes of what? Party, Rain must fall, My baby does me (...)? The miracle album has more interesting unreleased songs and b/sides than the LP tracks. |
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Post by dave76 on Mar 25, 2022 10:57:01 GMT
The instrumental version of We Will Rock You made me laugh though. 2 minutes of hand clapping and foot stomping.
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Post by georg on Mar 25, 2022 12:43:02 GMT
Genuine question: people* seem upset that the News of the World box was disappointing. Apart from the lack of a live show (which, I’ll say, was profoundly stupid) and the barebones liner notes (par for the course), were the contents that bad? I mean, an entire disc of alternate takes and mixes, where everything was different enough to be a unique listen, is nothing to sneeze at, and the third disc was kind of a dumping ground of miscellania, but if each album had been given the same treatment (except with a live show and liner notes, thankyouverymuch) I would not be disappointed. I mean, we should be used to the fact that QPL doesn’t give fans what they want, but getting a whole disc of alternates is pretty generous, even for them. *I can’t remember if it was here or on another, non-Queen forum, but recently I saw people bitching about it. There are too many to reply to – imagine my surprise when, after I posted this almost 24 hours ago and immediately forgot about it, I logged in to 14 notifications, probably the most I've ever had on any forum – but everyone who did reply had great points. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't defending QPL, but it did seem like they went to some effort for the NOTW box. Good point about all the extra tat – reminds me of the Pink Floyd Immersion box sets, which came with a little bag of marbles for all three of them, and have been roundly mocked across the internet. Thank you all for indulging my random musings. I feel like I should have mentioned that I didn't buy the box set, which surprises me because I love box sets and NOTW was my first Queen album, so I was probably going through one of those periods where I couldn't stand Queen. If you compare Queen's box set output with that of other great artists from the sixties and seventies then you can only conclude they have missed the boat of the 21st century, living in the illusion they can offer the same stuff over and over again, just at inflated prices. This is not the case. You can still easily buy the NOTW box... at discount prices... Had the content been great, this would not be the case! This is a perfect point! For example, I missed getting the Jethro Tull book sets until Heavy Horses, my favorite of their albums, and when I went to collect the previous book sets, they were all well over $100, even though they were originally sold for a fairly reasonable price (maybe between $50 and $60). I still get notifications from discogs on prices for a bunch of the sets, and I laugh when it says "Great deal!" and it's selling for nearly $300. Yeah, I'm gonna pay that much for War Child, right. But Queen absolutely missed the boat with their back catalog. They should have been pioneering this from the start, but instead they fumbled pretty badly. Ah well. |
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Post by georg on Mar 25, 2022 12:45:43 GMT
well, i've been around too long to expect much of anything from the QPL sheisters. Experience has taught me to expect nothing. With that in mind, and the current focus being Q+AL, I'm resurrecting my previous japes - anything other than these, would be a bonus:  All of these are great, but you should've had John turned away from Adam in disgust in this one! (I know that would've been difficult to have done, given the placement of his legs/feet and the track. At least, I wouldn't have the patience to do it, and part of my job is in Photoshop.) |
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Post by mikusguitarius on Mar 25, 2022 16:46:45 GMT
If there is video content on this - like on the NOTW box set - PLEASE lets have it on blu-ray too!! Will video content created over 30 years ago look better on Blu-Ray compared to DVD? 1) All the promos were shot on film... even if they were shot on 16mm they'll look better if rescanned at 2K etc 2) The NOTW documentary was made in HD (shown in HD on the BBC) but only appeared on DVD in the box set 3) There is some evidence that upscaling of SD does work you know!! |
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Post by Raf on Mar 25, 2022 20:35:50 GMT
If it has Face it alone takes 3-4 which are more completed than the leaked demo in 2011, or any better take along with a new life is born, IGWAFO, affairs, it will be very good. I will never understand why people want to hear more of Face It Alone. It's an idea they abandoned because it wasn't very good, like most songs that don't make it past the demo stage.
Give me alternate takes of vocals and guitars of the existing songs on the album over bad unfinished ideas any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Just like the NOTW box set - that disc is fantastic, and is where the bar should be set.
I think most people wouldn't benefit from unfinished demos (and neither from alternate takes), but I really do see the point in releasing demos for die-hard fans, especially musicians. Listening to demos, both from finished songs and discarded ones, give us a small glimpse of their creative process, and I think even the "failures" could be interesting and informative. Also, a few of their worst ideas were released anyway and we let them get away with those...  |
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Post by Golden Salmon on Mar 26, 2022 9:42:13 GMT
I think most people wouldn't benefit from unfinished demos (and neither from alternate takes), but I really do see the point in releasing demos for die-hard fans, especially musicians. Listening to demos, both from finished songs and discarded ones, give us a small glimpse of their creative process, and I think even the "failures" could be interesting and informative. Also, a few of their worst ideas were released anyway and we let them get away with those... This is my reasoning too. It's for the fans, and pretty sure they'll pay whatever price they ask for it. They don't even need to do anything fancy, we will buy it for the content. And if they released "Body Language" as a single and expected people to buy it, they absolutely should think the same about some decent demos. |
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Post by cmsdrums on Mar 30, 2022 9:33:03 GMT
Will video content created over 30 years ago look better on Blu-Ray compared to DVD? 1) All the promos were shot on film... even if they were shot on 16mm they'll look better if rescanned at 2K etc 2) The NOTW documentary was made in HD (shown in HD on the BBC) but only appeared on DVD in the box set 3) There is some evidence that upscaling of SD does work you know!! Blu ray is simply a storage medium, like cassette, 8 track, vinyl etc. but it provides bigger storage capacity, it just gives them the option to upscale SD material to higher capacity needs and put it one one blu ray disc as opposed to across a dozen DVDs. It will only look better if they actually improve the source material. |
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Post by mikusguitarius on Mar 30, 2022 9:44:39 GMT
1) All the promos were shot on film... even if they were shot on 16mm they'll look better if rescanned at 2K etc 2) The NOTW documentary was made in HD (shown in HD on the BBC) but only appeared on DVD in the box set 3) There is some evidence that upscaling of SD does work you know!! Blu ray is simply a storage medium, like cassette, 8 track, vinyl etc. but it provides bigger storage capacity, it just gives them the option to upscale SD material to higher capacity needs and put it one one blu ray disc as opposed to across a dozen DVDs. It will only look better if they actually improve the source material. The point is you can encode SD material better in HD. Not to be confused with upscaling. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Mar 30, 2022 10:15:19 GMT
I'm still not convinced this will appear any time soon. I mean, what's the reason for it to be released now? It's not an anniversary and they only play one track from it in the live shows.
Is it just because it might have been a good idea for the 30th anniversary but it wasn't finished and has been gathering dust ever since?
I'd still prefer some archive live releases on standard CDs, rather than an overpriced box set of a mediocre album, padded out with marketing tat, previously released B sides and a few videos, even with the remote but unlikely chance of a couple of shoddy demos being included as bait.
I really hope I'm wrong about it, as it will then be a delightful surprise, especially if the whole thing has been re-recorded with proper drums and better sounding guitars! 😄
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Mar 30, 2022 11:33:31 GMT
I'm still not convinced this will appear any time soon. I mean, what's the reason for it to be released now? 😄 I would've thought that the impending 33rd Anniversary is perfect timing...well certainly much more relevant than say, 20th 25th, 30th  |
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Mar 30, 2022 15:16:20 GMT
In times of war, there is not a better choice than to remind everybody about peace songs or message songs, some people consider the Miracle as a Queen song for peace so maybe they want to capitalize on releasing the box set with the the Russian-Ukrainian war going on, which is not "some conflict in the East" but a war in Europe affecting each of its countries. My guess.
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Post by dave76 on Mar 30, 2022 21:20:43 GMT
1 or 2 DVD's could be interested enough. From memory stuff they could include:
The Miracle Express documentary (remastered, it really needs it)
The uncut interviews
5 promo video's in HD quality (4K transfer would be pushing)
The making of those 5 video's
Maybe a few TV adds
Was It All Worth It documentary
Kids audition tape (maybe longer)
The Invisible Man music video (silhouette version)
The making of The Miracle album cover
I'm sure i'm forgettin' some video wise.
Audio wise:
1. The album
2. B-sides, 12 inch versions and single remixes
3 & 4 discs with outtakes (coughs....)
5. Queen For An Hour with Mike Read
Throw in a nice book, a poster, 5 replica 7 inch vinyl singles, the Freddie invisible man glasses and i'm game. Coughs...
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Post by leroybrown on Mar 30, 2022 21:38:30 GMT
1 or 2 DVD's could be interested enough. From memory stuff they could include: The Miracle Express documentary (remastered, it really needs it) The uncut interviews 5 promo video's in HD quality (4K transfer would be pushing) The making of those 5 video's Maybe a few TV adds Was It All Worth It documentary Kids audition tape (maybe longer) The Invisible Man music video (silhouette version) The making of The Miracle album cover I'm sure i'm forgettin' some video wise. Audio wise: 1. The album 2. B-sides, 12 inch versions and single remixes 3 & 4 discs with outtakes (coughs....) 5. Queen For An Hour with Mike Read Throw in a nice book, a poster, 5 replica 7 inch vinyl singles, the Freddie invisible man glasses and i'm game. Coughs...
...or include 'The Miracle' double album they spoke about.
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Post by pg on Mar 30, 2022 22:35:10 GMT
maybe they want to capitalize on releasing the box set with the the Russian-Ukrainian war going on Er, what??? Capitalise on war? Can you imagine the bad press if they announced " we're putting out a box set as our contribution to world peace"? They'd get massive, and justifiable, abuse. |
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Post by David Jones on Mar 31, 2022 11:04:41 GMT
5. Queen For An Hour with Mike Read “Oh shit, all that crap again?!…” |
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Post by dave76 on Mar 31, 2022 11:48:17 GMT
5. Queen For An Hour with Mike Read “Oh shit, all that crap again?!…” Queen Production's motto but they love it :-) |
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