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Post by badboybez on May 12, 2020 8:34:09 GMT
Gonna get bugger all until Dr May & RT pop their clogs.
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Post by emrabt on May 12, 2020 14:00:11 GMT
It would be nice to see the Actual Queen (The adults) run through from the Miracle video in full. There are plenty of photos to show that the kids were choreographed from a run through that was filmed by the band. At the very least it would be like getting a brand new music video with Freddie.... At best It would be the closest we will ever see to a live set up of the band with Freddie post 86, a mimed performance by the band filmed "as live". The photos have fascinated me for years, It's almost like a peek into an alternative universe.   |
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Post by Golden Salmon on May 12, 2020 20:59:58 GMT
^Wow, I hadn't thought of that! We do have an offscreen version of the band's performance for "The Invisible Man", so of course it has to exist for "The Miracle" as well!
Gotta wonder why they never did anything for "Innuendo", since they were featured in three more clips after that... I guess Freddie was simply unwell and we're lucky we got the bittersweet "These Are The Days Of Our Lives" clip.
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Post by Jake12 on May 12, 2020 21:01:20 GMT
I do love the Miracle and would be worth it for me if they did included the famous jams they had in the studio along with all the demos that didn’t make the album.. BUT would rather have them focus on Live Killers Boxset
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Post by emrabt on May 12, 2020 21:22:25 GMT
^Wow, I hadn't thought of that! We do have an offscreen version of the band's performance for "The Invisible Man", so of course it has to exist for "The Miracle" as well! Gotta wonder why they never did anything for "Innuendo", since they were featured in three more clips after that... I guess Freddie was simply unwell and we're lucky we got the bittersweet "These Are The Days Of Our Lives" clip.
The photos have been floating around for years and it's so easy to see them and dismiss them as being from the miracle video, but they aren't, there are no children, No small drum kit set up and some of them are clearly what the children's movements are based on earlier in the video.
I don't think it's likely they'd be anything extra from the Innuendo videos, with Freddie at least, as you say he was very ill at the time.
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 12, 2020 22:02:56 GMT
Mercury didn't look all that well in those photos. None of us realised at the time what might have been going on. 🙁
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Post by emrabt on May 12, 2020 22:26:11 GMT
Mercury didn't look all that well in those photos. None of us realised at the time what might have been going on. 🙁 I know what you mean, I've always thought that about Scandal. What he's wearing in that doesn't really help to hide how thin he'd got and he's really pale, probably because he's surrounded by a white set. They do all these quick cuts to him being active, it kind of comes across to me all very over done to prove he was fine. |
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Post by Billblackman on May 12, 2020 22:47:41 GMT
It would be nice to see the Actual Queen (The adults) run through from the Miracle video in full. There are plenty of photos to show that the kids were choreographed from a run through that was filmed by the band. At the very least it would be like getting a brand new music video with Freddie.... At best It would be the closest we will ever see to a live set up of the band with Freddie post 86, a mimed performance by the band filmed "as live". The photos have fascinated me for years, It's almost like a peek into an alternative universe. If you try to imply that there's a video of Queen members only, there's none. Rudi Dolezal, who was the director for the video, said they didn't film the band. Probably they choregraphed and the boys watched, but no there's no video...but at the same time, what Rudi says and what the reality is, are two different things... |
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Post by emrabt on May 12, 2020 23:03:59 GMT
I don't think there is a full alternative version of the video with the band. I absolutely think the band were filmed doing a run through before anything else so they didn't have to be on set for long periods. They had something to show what they wanted and didn't have to be there for each costume change and retake. If it was a case of the band being photographed demonstrating poses before the kids do it then why is it a full drumset in those pictures and no kids drums, they wouldn't dismantle it each time queen took to the stage. They were all taken before the kids drumset was put in place, in the video the full size set only appears at the end, and then it's right at the back of the stage behind the kids set, in these photos it's in the same position as the small set.
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Post by fireplace on May 12, 2020 23:23:45 GMT
We tend to forget how much the advent of the internet has spoilt us. All those new releases that now elicit a heartfelt "meh" from us would have driven me absolutely nuts 25 years ago. The internet has satisfied my every completist need when it comes to Queen, but unfortunately at the cost of my ability to be surprised by just about anything that is out there. Still, here's hoping for another Fairy Feller's Master Stroke or Sleeping On The Sidewalk.
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Post by Billblackman on May 13, 2020 1:55:35 GMT
I don't think there is a full alternative version of the video with the band. I absolutely think the band were filmed doing a run through before anything else so they didn't have to be on set for long periods. They had something to show what they wanted and didn't have to be there for each costume change and retake. If it was a case of the band being photographed demonstrating poses before the kids do it then why is it a full drumset in those pictures and no kids drums, they wouldn't dismantle it each time queen took to the stage. They were all taken before the kids drumset was put in place, in the video the full size set only appears at the end, and then it's right at the back of the stage behind the kids set, in these photos it's in the same position as the small set. Maybe there's some behind the scenes with the band only...who knows, but we can't count on Rudi Dolezal he's unreliable...we'll see when the Box Set comes out... by the way, where did you find all those pics? Interesting! |
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Post by Billblackman on May 13, 2020 2:04:18 GMT
2021 will be 30 years since the release of Innuendo. I hope they'll finally release something that's worth it. I don't get why QPL (Brian May) always overlook the Innuendo period...yeah Freddie was ill, but they made music whatsoever and the videos deserve to be released on DVD/Blu Ray, FullHD, 4K, etc.
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Post by baronlutenvank on May 13, 2020 4:13:35 GMT
It would be nice to see the Actual Queen (The adults) run through from the Miracle video in full. There are plenty of photos to show that the kids were choreographed from a run through that was filmed by the band. At the very least it would be like getting a brand new music video with Freddie.... At best It would be the closest we will ever see to a live set up of the band with Freddie post 86, a mimed performance by the band filmed "as live". The photos have fascinated me for years, It's almost like a peek into an alternative universe. Wow, these are good stuff. A video of just the band running through The Miracle without the kids would've made a nice bonus in the Days Of Our Lives Blu Ray if there is one. |
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Post by Golden Salmon on May 13, 2020 7:24:52 GMT
If they take much longer to release The Miracle boxset it will overlap with Innuendo's anniversary, haha.
As a matter of fact, TM released on 1989-05-22, we're almost 31 years later and no real news about the boxset other than it's in the works and we're more than halfway to Innuendo's anniversary. LOL.
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Post by emrabt on May 13, 2020 9:07:03 GMT
![]() Different places, Most are out there on google search. Some of them I've found mislabeled as being from the magic tour, like i said above it's very easy to miss them. Other ones are from the Daily Mirror online archive (Mirrorpix) i saved a few years ago, with the description "Queen rock group performing. Singer Freddie Mercury on stage. 24th November 1989." I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of the dating, however i wasn't there so who knows? I think the Mirror photographer took the majority of the ones I've uploaded above (It's also worth noting the First and third pictures look like they have been taken from a video monitor notice the Banding effect).
There's more than enough evidence to point towards Queen performing to the track on the 24th as a base for the kids to work from.
Out of all the "Queen filmed this and that after 1987" Theories and myths, this one is totally understandable, there's a reason why they did it (it was used to make the music video), it has a whole bunch of photos and a date it happened. It's probably the most likely to be true. It might even be where the "Queen filmed a live show in 1989" myth actually stemmed from.
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Post by Billblackman on May 13, 2020 10:58:50 GMT
![]() Different places, Most are out there on google search. Some of them I've found mislabeled as being from the magic tour, like i said above it's very easy to miss them. Other ones are from the Daily Mirror online archive (Mirrorpix) i saved a few years ago, with the description "Queen rock group performing. Singer Freddie Mercury on stage. 24th November 1989." The ones with Ross McCall in are dated as 27th. I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of the dating. I think the Mirror photographer took the majority of the ones I've uploaded above (It's also worth noting the First and third pictures look like they have been taken from a video monitor notice the Banding effect). There's more than enough evidence to point towards Queen performing to the track on the 24th as a base for the kids to work from. Then the kids filmed Saturday the 25th without the band there and were introduced to the band on their second day of filming (We know as Ross tells us this in his interview, he met Freddie on his second day), which was Monday the 27th, when the Photographer was invited back. Out of all the "Queen filmed this and that after 1987" Theories and myths, this one is totally understandable, there's a reason why they did it (it was used to make the music video), it has a whole bunch of photos and a date it happened. It's probably the most likely to be true. It might even be where the "Queen filmed a live show in 1989" myth actually stemmed from.
Let's hope you're right! By the way, these three pics are definitely from a video:    |
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Post by emrabt on May 13, 2020 11:11:32 GMT
Well, One way to know is for someone with twitter to ask Either Ross Mccall or Paul HowardIf they based their choreography on something Queen filmed. Maybe a site project for вяейski? |
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Post by mike71 on May 13, 2020 16:41:59 GMT
2021 will be 30 years since the release of Innuendo. I hope they'll finally release something that's worth it. I don't get why QPL (Brian May) always overlook the Innuendo period...yeah Freddie was ill, but they made music whatsoever and the videos deserve to be released on DVD/Blu Ray, FullHD, 4K, etc. That's a shame about The band overlooking Innuendo..It's one of their best albums. If they did a double album box of The Miracle and Innuendo It would make more sense. |
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Post by Billblackman on May 13, 2020 18:38:40 GMT
2021 will be 30 years since the release of Innuendo. I hope they'll finally release something that's worth it. I don't get why QPL (Brian May) always overlook the Innuendo period...yeah Freddie was ill, but they made music whatsoever and the videos deserve to be released on DVD/Blu Ray, FullHD, 4K, etc. That's a shame about The band overlooking Innuendo..It's one of their best albums. If they did a double album box of The Miracle and Innuendo It would make more sense. I tend to think that Dr. May doesn't want us to see some footage of Freddie. My two cents... |
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Post by baronlutenvank on May 13, 2020 19:03:58 GMT
That's a shame about The band overlooking Innuendo..It's one of their best albums. If they did a double album box of The Miracle and Innuendo It would make more sense. I tend to think that Dr. May doesn't want us to see some footage of Freddie. My two cents... Didn't stop them releasing the These Are The Days Of Our Lives rushes in color back in 2011 though. Speaking of 2021, if they have to skip Innuendo, I can imagine them planning their golden jubilee. |
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Post by ThomasQuinn on May 14, 2020 10:36:15 GMT
I'm pretty sure there just isn't that much material for Innuendo available. For decades, it has been known that The Miracle yielded masses of material, quite a bit of which could be considered releasable even by BM/RT's insanely high standards.
They picked The Miracle for a reason - the people at QPL know damn well that it's not their best-loved album, so my guess is they chose it for box set treatment because it's one of only a few albums where they can actually pull that off.
I have no idea what we're going to get, I just hope that quality wise it'll be more like the Rainbow box than the On Air box. Odds are, it'll be like NOTW, so midway between the quality of the Rainbow set and the On Air one.
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Post by Billblackman on May 14, 2020 11:23:15 GMT
I'm pretty sure there just isn't that much material for Innuendo available. For decades, it has been known that The Miracle yielded masses of material, quite a bit of which could be considered releasable even by BM/RT's insanely high standards. We've seen behind the scenes of Days of our lives and on The Freddie Mercury unreleased documentary, we have bits of interviews with Brian, Roger and John on the set of TATDOOL. Doro have filmed and have more in their archives than we know of... |
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Post by jjmillenium on May 14, 2020 11:39:03 GMT
I could imagine than this box will be very similar to the NOTW one. I mean, first CD with the 2011 remaster, second CD with a demo of each song, and a third CD with the b sides, extended versions and instrumentals. And a DVD with the videos and the documentary that maybe DoRo is working on. And of course the LP and some memorabilia and a book of photos
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Post by ThomasQuinn on May 14, 2020 11:39:18 GMT
I'm pretty sure there just isn't that much material for Innuendo available. For decades, it has been known that The Miracle yielded masses of material, quite a bit of which could be considered releasable even by BM/RT's insanely high standards. We've seen behind the scenes of Days of our lives and on The Freddie Mercury unreleased documentary, we have bits of interviews with Brian, Roger and John on the set of TATDOOL. Doro have filmed and have more in their archives than we know of...
Sorry, but as much as you may like that kind of footage, it doesn't make for the substance of an album box set. The music has to come first. If not, you wind up with an On Air-boxset. Which, obviously, failed miserably. |
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Post by angusscrimm on May 14, 2020 12:28:15 GMT
What I don't get is this focus from people regarding "anniversary" boxsets. Okay, the previous boxes (Rainbow, Hammy and NOTW) coincided with anniversaries, but who says that all releases "must" be an anniversary product and follow military precision order?
It's bog standard for a lot of artists, but why do we have this infatuation with releases *having* to be out by a certain time? I'd just be happy when they release anything worthwhile. Of course I want The Game Sessions, The Miracle sessions, the Innuendo sessions etc - but who cares if The Miracle comes in 2021 and Innuendo in 2023 and The Game in 2024 (or whatever)? As long as it all comes!
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Post by fcb101 on May 14, 2020 12:46:21 GMT
What I don't get is this focus from people regarding "anniversary" boxsets. Okay, the previous boxes (Rainbow, Hammy and NOTW) coincided with anniversaries, but who says that all releases "must" be an anniversary product and follow military precision order? It's bog standard for a lot of artists, but why do we have this infatuation with releases *having* to be out by a certain time? I'd just be happy when they release anything worthwhile. Of course I want The Game Sessions, The Miracle sessions, the Innuendo sessions etc - but who cares if The Miracle comes in 2021 and Innuendo in 2023 and The Game in 2024 (or whatever)? As long as it all comes! Well, when there's a schedule you can expect things! When there's no schedule - like in Queen's case - you can expect plans to change and you end up with something close to nothing. As has happened to us many times! I do have the firm impression the initial idea of a product is mostly great and exciting and then they start cutting until only the basics remain (mostly the albums as they are with a bone left and right). I'm somewhat bored with sucking on the same bones. For example, hearing Sleeping on the sidewalk is wonderful…. Hearing that entire Boston '77 show would be AMAZING BEYOND BELIEF :-) :-) |
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Post by angusscrimm on May 14, 2020 12:57:05 GMT
But if you work with this imaginary schedule in your head, you get upset when it doesn't happen in that (your own self-imposed) time. What you're looking for is Queen to conform to your plan. It's an expectation. If you don't expect, you won't be disappointed. With Queen not having a schedule, you can then expect the unexpected  |
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 14, 2020 12:57:27 GMT
I do have the firm impression the initial idea of a product is mostly great and exciting and then they start cutting until only the basics remain (mostly the albums as they are with a bone left and right). I'm somewhat bored with sucking on the same bones. For example, hearing Sleeping on the sidewalk is wonderful…. Hearing that entire Boston '77 show would be AMAZING BEYOND BELIEF :-) :-) I have the firm impression that they look at what they've got, and decide what the bare minimum they can get away with is, thus saving other stuff for future re-releases, so that we carry on buying the same bloody albums over and over again. |
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Post by angusscrimm on May 14, 2020 12:58:49 GMT
I do have the firm impression the initial idea of a product is mostly great and exciting and then they start cutting until only the basics remain (mostly the albums as they are with a bone left and right). I'm somewhat bored with sucking on the same bones. For example, hearing Sleeping on the sidewalk is wonderful…. Hearing that entire Boston '77 show would be AMAZING BEYOND BELIEF :-) :-) I have the firm impression that they look at what they've got, and decide what the bare minimum they can get away with is, thus saving other stuff for future re-releases, so that we carry on buying the same bloody albums over and over again. ^ more than likely! |
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Post by fcb101 on May 14, 2020 13:46:23 GMT
I have the firm impression that they look at what they've got, and decide what the bare minimum they can get away with is, thus saving other stuff for future re-releases, so that we carry on buying the same bloody albums over and over again. ^ more than likely! That's what I wrote too! You get the same albums over and over again with a bone to keep us hungry dogs happy... Sadly, this has resulted in me having absolutely no hopes whatsoever for this Miracle boxset. I just can't get myself to believe or hope they will do something worthy of this band with this product. The day they release something as exciting as Mike Millard's La 3-3-77 recording I will be the first to applaud. I just don't see it happening and have lost my hope for it to happen. They always say they have plenty of stuff worth releasing and based on the information that reaches us this is indeed the case. They're just greedy bitches I'm afraid :-) |
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