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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 15, 2022 16:37:21 GMT
From the Christmas 1989 Fanclub Magazine:  Note they didn't say which century it would be released. 😁 |
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Post by Golden Salmon on Sept 15, 2022 17:20:58 GMT
From the Christmas 1989 Fanclub Magazine: Damn, I almost thought they had announced a February date for the box set, haha. That said, we don't even have a release date yet and our expectations for November are wishful thinking. Yeah. I suppose the intent to release "Alternative Miracle" back then was substantiated, or else they wouldn't have stated that much. There were more pressing matters at hand anyway, be it Freddie's health, solo projects and even "Innuendo" shaping up before the end of 89. |
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Post by qdas1980 on Sept 15, 2022 17:27:49 GMT
Always something..............
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Post by antonio on Sept 15, 2022 20:15:45 GMT
They are on time yet....February will arrive in 4+ months
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Post by inuliger on Sept 15, 2022 23:22:48 GMT
Another thing that might be considered, at least for the next couple of days, is that it would be in bad taste to announce a new Queen product during the UK's mourning period after the Queen's death Bad taste? An odd thought…? Not at all. Even our government in Canada delayed announcing some important benefits news for a week because of her death. |
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Post by Dean on Sept 16, 2022 8:23:23 GMT
George Michael's estate pushed back the release of the Older Boxset out of respect for the Queen's passing, so it's certainly possible that Queen Productions are of similar thought.
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Post by boffy on Sept 16, 2022 8:57:42 GMT
Maybe they've just delayed it out of respect for every single royal death, wedding, jubilee, and supermarket opening since 1989.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 16, 2022 9:39:49 GMT
The George Michael release had been previously announced. The Miracle Box hasn't, so I doubt it's anything to do with the Queen's death as they clearly weren't planning on releasing it at this time anyway.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 16, 2022 10:05:32 GMT
From the Christmas 1989 Fanclub Magazine: Fixed it for you:  |
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Post by georg on Sept 16, 2022 11:26:19 GMT
From the Christmas 1989 Fanclub Magazine: Fixed it for you: Ah but which multiverse? |
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Post by dave76 on Sept 16, 2022 13:06:04 GMT
Fixed it for you: Ah but which multiverse? That's why Taylor and May are gonna outlive us all and release this when we're all long gone. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 16, 2022 13:28:13 GMT
That's why Taylor and May are gonna outlive us all and release this when we're all long gone. But by then all that's left will be the Greatest Hits brigade who won't have any interest in it. They need to get this archive stuff out while there are still people to buy it. 🙄 |
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Post by qdas1980 on Sept 16, 2022 15:27:10 GMT
"They need to get this archive stuff out while there are still people to buy it. 🙄"
They don't care, spending effort and time for peanuts is their last concern, been proven for years now.........
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 16, 2022 21:23:33 GMT
They don't care, spending effort and time for peanuts is their last concern, been proven for years now......... Rehashing old studio LPs (boxsets or special eds) does not swell the QPL coffers. only money to be made these days (other than from tours) is in either Greatest Hits reissues or new product. Something like this?   |
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Post by inuliger on Sept 19, 2022 23:52:29 GMT
I still think It's an odd choice for a Boxset. The album wasn't one of their best or most popular. From what I understand, it was the record label folks at Universal who requested the box set. |
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Post by Dimitris on Sept 20, 2022 5:12:01 GMT
I still think It's an odd choice for a Boxset. The album wasn't one of their best or most popular. From what I understand, it was the record label folks at Universal who requested the box set. I remember reading in 2013 when they renewed their contract with Universal, it was signed for movie, tour, unreleased material and live albums. The Miracle might be not their best or popular album, but it has a vast material from besides to remixes and unreleased songs. Face it one, if it is going to be the single before the boxset, it might help its sales. Back in 2017 NOTW boxset did little despite being a very popular album having well known singles. It was an excuse for touring. There was the profit. The Miracle it is defferent story, it can make the later period of 1989-91 better known,which Queen might want for a movie sequel. Also if it will be a success, then there is chance for other releases. |
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Post by cmi on Sept 20, 2022 5:55:42 GMT
What QPL/UMG need is the wise decisions on promotion and variations of the final product.
In 2017 there was an expensive box only with not so much content.
There was no 2LP vinyl, no 2CD digipak, no Blu-ray with hi-res of the album and new documentary.
So sales were low. It's so simple, so I wonder how people inside didn't understand that.
No effort - no sales!
Look at the Pink Floyd, look at The Beatles... a lot of alternates to chose from for the buyer.
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Post by Dimitris on Sept 20, 2022 6:25:38 GMT
What QPL/UMG need is the wise decisions on promotion and variations of the final product. In 2017 there was an expensive box only with not so much content. There was no 2LP vinyl, no 2CD digipak, no Blu-ray with hi-res of the album and new documentary. So sales were low. It's so simple, so I wonder how people inside didn't understand that. No effort - no sales! Look at the Pink Floyd, look at The Beatles... a lot of alternates to chose from for the buyer. I totally agree, it seems that their target was the GH buyers... Who dont care about the cotent Like we the fans do. Also more a tour excuse which ended as GH tour one more time... |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 20, 2022 6:37:58 GMT
What QPL/UMG need is the wise decisions on promotion and variations of the final product. In 2017 there was an expensive box only with not so much content. There was no 2LP vinyl, no 2CD digipak, no Blu-ray with hi-res of the album and new documentary. So sales were low. It's so simple, so I wonder how people inside didn't understand that. No effort - no sales! Look at the Pink Floyd, look at The Beatles... a lot of alternates to chose from for the buyer. I totally agree, it seems that their target was the GH buyers... Who dont care about the cotent Like we the fans do. Also more a tour excuse which ended as GH tour one more time... I think that Floyd, Beatles and one or two others; Bowie, Purple, Springsteen, Prince etc had a very different approach to writing/recording than Queen - in that almost everything and anything (idea-wise) had the "Record Button" pushed down. With the exception of the Miracle and a handful of tracks here and there, Queen took the same sparing approach as Rush and Eagles. If an idea wasn't good enough it didn't get worked on. There were exceptions, but these were usually worked into later LPs. |
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Post by inuliger on Sept 20, 2022 6:39:01 GMT
Look at the Pink Floyd, look at The Beatles... a lot of alternates to chose from for the buyer. Though that being said, The Beatles are dropping the ball a bit by not including a 5.1 mix with the upcoming Revolver boxset  |
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Post by Dimitris on Sept 20, 2022 7:20:56 GMT
I think that Queen "biggest problem" is not their unreleased stuff, but that their albums with exception of ANATO are less known to the wider public nowdays.
Queen lost many studio album sales because the hugely successfull GH compilations. Also their record companies along with Queen did little to promote their back catalogue in a deep appreciation manner, every promo was about singles, parties, everything except their music.
Only music fans who dive deep into rock have appreciation for albums Like Queen II, SHA etc
Thus every re-release is less intersting than other artists - bands.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 20, 2022 8:16:48 GMT
I totally agree, it seems that their target was the GH buyers... Who dont care about the cotent Like we the fans do. Also more a tour excuse which ended as GH tour one more time... I think that Floyd, Beatles and one or two others; Bowie, Purple, Springsteen, Prince etc had a very different approach to writing/recording than Queen - in that almost everything and anything (idea-wise) had the "Record Button" pushed down. With the exception of the Miracle and a handful of tracks here and there, Queen took the same sparing approach as Rush and Eagles. If an idea wasn't good enough it didn't get worked on. There were exceptions, but these were usually worked into later LPs. But... I think we know that they have a wealth of unreleased live material. As you mentioned, Rush have little or no unreleased studio material, but they have still made their anniversary editions worthwhile by including complete unreleased concerts with each release. If Queen did that, along with the studio outtakes, and ditched the lavish box sets full of mostly tat, I'm sure the re-released products would be more popular. |
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Post by mikusguitarius on Sept 20, 2022 10:11:39 GMT
Look at the Pink Floyd, look at The Beatles... a lot of alternates to chose from for the buyer. Though that being said, The Beatles are dropping the ball a bit by not including a 5.1 mix with the upcoming Revolver boxset Indeed. It'll be interesting to see if sales of this are affected. I certainly won't bother without a surround mix (I'll still buy The Miracle box set though!) |
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Post by inuliger on Sept 20, 2022 10:56:40 GMT
Though that being said, The Beatles are dropping the ball a bit by not including a 5.1 mix with the upcoming Revolver boxset Indeed. It'll be interesting to see if sales of this are affected. I certainly won't bother without a surround mix (I'll still buy The Miracle box set though!) Yeah. Quite a bunch of their fans are pretty miffed about it. |
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Post by sheep2 on Sept 20, 2022 16:41:26 GMT
Indeed. It'll be interesting to see if sales of this are affected. I certainly won't bother without a surround mix (I'll still buy The Miracle box set though!) Yeah. Quite a bunch of their fans are pretty miffed about it. The reason for being annoyed is that there is a multichannel mix of Revolver which has been made. You can stream it via Apple I think (I'm not a subscriber) Paying £130 for the CD set to not get everything is a high price. If there wasn't a mix it would be less annoying The LPs are £190 as well which seems crazy expensive for 4 LPs and a single. I think there will be a lot of unsold box sets this winter - not so much The Beatles or Queen but there seem to be a lot of groups looking to upsell albums which is a big call going in to a period where people won't have so much spare cash. There will be plenty of big discounts by Christmas. |
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Post by thefonz on Sept 20, 2022 21:10:13 GMT
From the Christmas 1989 Fanclub Magazine: Fantastic! I'll look out for it in February 1990 then! In other news, shit's getting mad expensive. GnR Just announced a Use Your Illusion I&II 4 vinyl set for £110. The New Smashing Pumpkins album with a bunch of extra stuff starts at $225 USD. Jesus. |
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Post by qdas1980 on Sept 21, 2022 19:24:59 GMT
Almost like Christmas
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Post by mkstewartesq on Sept 21, 2022 22:08:47 GMT
The Miracle it is defferent story, it can make the later period of 1989-91 better known,which Queen might want for a movie sequel. Also if it will be a success, then there is chance for other releases. Here’s a thought I have about the above comment and various others I have seen indicating a missed opportunity for the box set to make people “more aware” I of these albums by perhaps enticing them to buy an album that they’d never owned or maybe even heard before. (For example, the Bohemian Rhapsody film/GH crowd - or maybe even a person who has gone beyond those sources and bought one or two other Queen albums): I really don’t see how anyone thinks – and in fact I affirmatively believe that the band itself doesn’t think – that a casual fan who is looking to expand their knowledge of Queen is going to buy a box set rather than the “regular“ edition of that same album. A box set is a lot of money to put down for an album that you might not even end up liking. No amount of additional rarities is going to convince a buyer to pluck down box set money for an album he or she is just “trying out“ in the first place. So the band knows that the “regular“ album releases are what the more casual fans buy, and the box sets are targeted to the more hard-core fans, with a corresponding expectation of lower sales. Which of course makes it all the more disappointing when they know that the box set is targeted at the more hard-core fans – yet they still stock the box set with B-sides, remixes of existing songs etc. rather than real rarities to make it worth buying the same album yet again. |
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Post by Dimitris on Sept 22, 2022 5:51:40 GMT
The Miracle it is defferent story, it can make the later period of 1989-91 better known,which Queen might want for a movie sequel. Also if it will be a success, then there is chance for other releases. Here’s a thought I have about the above comment and various others I have seen indicating a missed opportunity for the box set to make people “more aware” I of these albums by perhaps enticing them to buy an album that they’d never owned or maybe even heard before. (For example, the Bohemian Rhapsody film/GH crowd - or maybe even a person who has gone beyond those sources and bought one or two other Queen albums): I really don’t see how anyone thinks – and in fact I affirmatively believe that the band itself doesn’t think – that a casual fan who is looking to expand their knowledge of Queen is going to buy a box set rather than the “regular“ edition of that same album. A box set is a lot of money to put down for an album that you might not even end up liking. No amount of additional rarities is going to convince a buyer to pluck down box set money for an album he or she is just “trying out“ in the first place. So the band knows that the “regular“ album releases are what the more casual fans buy, and the box sets are targeted to the more hard-core fans, with a corresponding expectation of lower sales. Which of course makes it all the more disappointing when they know that the box set is targeted at the more hard-core fans – yet they still stock the box set with B-sides, remixes of existing songs etc. rather than real rarities to make it worth buying the same album yet again. Ofcourse casual buyer dont care about extra content of unreleased stuff, but a good unreleased song, which probably may be Face it alone along with a good promo of the latter days 88-91 for instance, it can create an interest in that period. As I have said over the years, Queen and record companies did little promotion for their back cataloge, they always focus on singles, gossips, entertainment. Freddie was not only great showman, Brian is not only red special and Bo Rhap solo, same for the rest band. The wide public dont know how many good albums Queen have, so every re-release is "doomed" by the lack of being well known at the first place. Albums of other artist are very well known and every reissue is highly anticipated. |
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Post by Brian's Wig on Sept 22, 2022 6:28:31 GMT
From the Christmas 1989 Fanclub Magazine: It was an exciting prospect at the time, but it's clear that all it would have contained were the B Sides and 12 mixes. As it was to be a Fan Club only release, it would most likely have been cassette only as well. Brian's Wig - I edited your post. I think this is what you were trying to say - LF. |
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