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Post by badboybez on Nov 20, 2020 11:57:49 GMT
At this point, they seriously deserve to go bankrupt. Seriously, the Queen publishing machine sucks worse than ANY major band I can think of. I can't even think of any kind of reasonable logic behind it - at this point, their attitude towards releases is either spiteful or just plain incompetent. Yep
Makes you wonder whats going to happen once both Bri & Rog pass on. Who is left in charge for future historic releases - surely Jim would be gone too?
It'll be just Greatest Hits 4, 5, 6, and on and on.....
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Post by Billblackman on Nov 20, 2020 13:03:38 GMT
Every time you think that Brian can hit a new low, he's still able to surprises us.
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Post by georg on Nov 20, 2020 15:04:20 GMT
At this point, they seriously deserve to go bankrupt. Seriously, the Queen publishing machine sucks worse than ANY major band I can think of. I can't even think of any kind of reasonable logic behind it - at this point, their attitude towards releases is either spiteful or just plain incompetent. Yup. This is why I've stopped giving them my money. They don't listen to the fans; they listen to the fanatics, and right now the fanatics want a Q+AL live album. Can't say I can blame them – a quick buck is a quick buck – but they can easily remain current and dive into their past. As it is, I'm more willing to give my money to a band who gives a shit about their fans.
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Post by Setzer on Nov 20, 2020 17:40:44 GMT
Seriously, the Queen publishing machine sucks worse than ANY major band I can think of. In that case I envy you, ignorance is bliss.
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Post by Golden Salmon on Nov 20, 2020 18:20:53 GMT
It would be very naive of them to think that live performances will be possible in the same magnitude within a year or two. Vaccines are still not ready, their real world effectivity is yet to be seen, people are generally wary about crowded places (the very thought of going to a gig seems like a really bad idea as of now), etc.
Hopefully Brian realised this reality and that's why he teased the solo box set. Their best source of income this next couple of years should be archive releases.
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Post by antonio on Nov 20, 2020 19:30:49 GMT
Last Queen item that i bought was Queen On Fire ...And this was...2004? After that shit and more shit...
When Rainbow appeared i didn´t want to get it...I haven´t downloaded it even...
Queen Productions earned from me the last euros almost 17 years ago.
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Post by pg on Nov 21, 2020 8:27:03 GMT
Delayed / cancelled releases are, sadly, par for the course over the last 30 years.
I'm not as frustrated about this one though- partly because this whipping is just landing on scar tissue, not skin . Mainly though it's because a Miracle box set wasn't a particularly exciting concept in the first place, and it's not very fair of me to criticise the non-release of something I wasn't likely to buy anyway.
That said, assuming it was all fully signed off and ready to go, it should be easy to resurrect at short notice in the future.... in theory.
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Post by cmi on Nov 21, 2020 8:42:44 GMT
'THE MIRACLE' is a great album by the re-freshed enthusiastic band after full one-year off. It should be even better one with 12 (or so) songs. 5 excellent singles (6 if count TMLWKY) featuring extra material. Excellent vibe. Great artwork. Beautiful videos. 'The Miracle' expanded reissue will remind people how great is the album. 1989 was probably the last happy year for Queen...
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Post by highlander on Nov 22, 2020 1:59:06 GMT
Trust me I know. Honestly annoying that they would make Queen + a priority and Nothing for the OG Queen fans.. I don't mind Queen + ending soon... I am sick and tired of them playing all the very same songs over and over again. It's like listening to GH1 + some other tracks live.
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Post by JFN on Nov 22, 2020 10:18:40 GMT
Trust me I know. Honestly annoying that they would make Queen + a priority and Nothing for the OG Queen fans.. I don't mind Queen + ending soon... I am sick and tired of them playing all the very same songs over and over again. It's like listening to GH1 + some other tracks live. Don't you think that's a bit selfish? Stoning Q+AL is easy when you've been a Queen fan for a long time, meaning you either got to see the original lineup perform (at best), or maybe Brian or Roger as solo artists, or that you were already around when MIH or Queen Rocks came out (at worst), aka when the band still had new songs to feed their fans with. For many younger fans, Q+AL is the only opportunity to see Brian and Roger on tour. If the collaboration hadn't happened or if it had come to a halt just a couple of years into its formation, those who joined the fanbase later on wouldn't have had any opportunity to see them. That being said, I agree having a few deep cuts on the setlist would be great. But condemning the entire formation for that is wrong – they did, after all, perform a few just 3 years ago. They continue to do it with I Was Born To Love You and Love Kills, and both made the new live album.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Nov 22, 2020 11:00:07 GMT
I think B&R have every right to continue while they can, and equally, people have the choice as to whether to buy their album or go to see them in concert.
It can't be disputed that they put on a spectacular show (for spectacular ticket prices!), and they're playing largely to the 'Greatest Hits' brigade of Queen fans, but at least you go to the show knowing what to expect.
To be fair, they have played some deeper cuts (ITLOTG, Stone Cold Crazy to name a couple), and the last quarter of the set has mostly been the same since about 1982. I would like to see some set variation, and certainly some more album cuts, but I guess they can't change the set much due to the technicalities of the show, so it is what it is, and slagging it off doesn't really achieve anything.
What would Brian and Roger be doing were it not for Q+AL? Neither of their solo careers were as commercially successful as Queen, and now they have the opportunity to put on big shows again, which they couldn't really do on their own. From a commercial perspective, it's a no brainer.
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Post by Steve on Nov 22, 2020 11:03:43 GMT
I think B&R have every right to continue while they can, and equally, people have the choice as to whether to buy their album or go to see them in concert. It can't be disputed that they put on a spectacular show (for spectacular ticket prices!), and they're playing largely to the 'Greatest Hits' brigade of Queen fans, but at least you go to the show knowing what to expect. To be fair, they have played some deeper cuts (ITLOTG, Stone Cold Crazy to name a couple), and the last quarter of the set has mostly been the same since about 1982. I would like to see some set variation, and certainly some more album cuts, but I guess they can't change the set much due to the technicalities of the show, so it is what it is, and slagging it off doesn't really achieve anything. What would Brian and Roger be doing were it not for Q+AL? Neither of their solo careers were as commercially successful as Queen, and now they have the opportunity to put on big shows again, which they couldn't really do on their own. From a commercial perspective, it's a no brainer. Well said mate.
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 22, 2020 12:28:43 GMT
I think B&R have every right to continue while they can, and equally, people have the choice as to whether to buy their album or go to see them in concert. It can't be disputed that they put on a spectacular show (for spectacular ticket prices!), and they're playing largely to the 'Greatest Hits' brigade of Queen fans, but at least you go to the show knowing what to expect. To be fair, they have played some deeper cuts (ITLOTG, Stone Cold Crazy to name a couple), and the last quarter of the set has mostly been the same since about 1982. I would like to see some set variation, and certainly some more album cuts, but I guess they can't change the set much due to the technicalities of the show, so it is what it is, and slagging it off doesn't really achieve anything. What would Brian and Roger be doing were it not for Q+AL? Neither of their solo careers were as commercially successful as Queen, and now they have the opportunity to put on big shows again, which they couldn't really do on their own. From a commercial perspective, it's a no brainer. Well said mate. I agree too . I have tickets for the UK part of the tour because I know it will be only chance to see Brian , Roger and Spike .
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Nov 22, 2020 12:56:50 GMT
Seriously, the Queen publishing machine sucks worse than ANY major band I can think of. In that case I envy you, ignorance is bliss. Putting aside the sneer, enlighten me - name me ONE major band with a worse track record for releasing 'rarities'.
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Post by Frank on Nov 22, 2020 13:22:39 GMT
I couldn't say it any better than JFN and Lord Fickle. So I'll just say I'm one of those fans that joined too late. I was born in 1988 and knew nothing of them in the 1990s. It wasn't until 2003 that I fell in love with the band and their legacy. I remember begging my parents to take me to a Q+PR concert, but we couldn't afford it. When that project disbanded, I thought that was it. I had no hope of seeing a Queen concert. So when rumors started flying that they were going to tour with Adam Lambert I was absolutely thrilled. I'll never forget my first Q+AL concert in Madison Square Garden and hearing Brian's opening Now I'm Here riff. I was moved to tears. That moment meant everything to me. So as much as I dislike things like The Miracle box set being put on hold, I can't blame Q+AL. Without their collaboration, I still wouldn't have heard my heroes in concert. And I'll continue to go as long as they're still playing. After all. there might not be too many tomorrows for them, if at all.
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Post by Setzer on Nov 22, 2020 13:40:54 GMT
In that case I envy you, ignorance is bliss. Putting aside the sneer, enlighten me - name me ONE major band with a worse track record for releasing 'rarities'. Guns N' Roses comes to mind. Their management takes the cake when it comes to incompetence.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Nov 22, 2020 15:14:30 GMT
Putting aside the sneer, enlighten me - name me ONE major band with a worse track record for releasing 'rarities'. Guns N' Roses comes to mind. Their management takes the cake when it comes to incompetence. Ok, I honestly hadn't even considered Guns N' Roses when I said 'major band', but I suppose they are. Looks like their deluxe reissue of "Appetite For Destruction" was a pretty good set, but that seems to be pretty much all they've got, so I have to give you that one. I do think we can agree that Queen is quite a couple of rungs higher on the ladder of stardom than GNR, though, so I don't think the comparison is entirely fair.
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Post by Golden Salmon on Nov 22, 2020 16:10:09 GMT
There has to be a middle ground that they can easily provide to fans. One thing is to do a barrel-scraping exercise, as Roger would put it, and another thing is putting a finished product on hold at a time when people will not be able to go to live shows due to force majeure.
I'm sure there have to be bands in uh, post-prime worse shape in terms of archival releases, but then again you look at other artists such as Jimi Hendrix, whose posthumous discography features virtually everything left in the archives and then some, and now you look at Queen's potential and you feel it's such a shame they just won't dig deep, but rather just re-release everything with an extra or two thrown in if we're lucky.
Granted that both Jimi and his associated acts are pretty much literal history today, but so is Queen as such. I'm all for Brian and Roger having fun on stage, but how archival releases could possibly harm the band at this point? If anything, they'll keep the hardcore fanbase happy while they still have one.
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Post by Steve on Nov 22, 2020 18:29:44 GMT
There has to be a middle ground that they can easily provide to fans. One thing is to do a barrel-scraping exercise, as Roger would put it, and another thing is putting a finished product on hold at a time when people will not be able to go to live shows due to force majeure. I'm sure there have to be bands in uh, post-prime worse shape in terms of archival releases, but then again you look at other artists such as Jimi Hendrix, whose posthumous discography features virtually everything left in the archives and then some, and now you look at Queen's potential and you feel it's such a shame they just won't dig deep, but rather just re-release everything with an extra or two thrown in if we're lucky. Granted that both Jimi and his associated acts are pretty much literal history today, but so is Queen as such. I'm all for Brian and Roger having fun on stage, but how archival releases could possibly harm the band at this point? If anything, they'll keep the hardcore fanbase happy while they still have one. I really hope they do consider us hardcore fans!
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Post by pg on Nov 22, 2020 19:48:10 GMT
ZZ Top - no archive releases Van Halen - no archive releases Madness?
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Post by staysweet on Nov 22, 2020 20:10:50 GMT
Makes you wonder whats going to happen once both Bri & Rog pass on. Who is left in charge for future historic releases - surely Jim would be gone too?
It'll be just Greatest Hits 4, 5, 6, and on and on.....
I have wondered this too...like maybe the floodgates will open and we will get stuff once they are no longer around. Or maybe they will give someone like Sarina or one of the kids strict instructions to keep things locked down. Hard to know.
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Post by Golden Salmon on Nov 22, 2020 20:31:43 GMT
ZZ Top - no archive releases Van Halen - no archive releases Madness? The ZZ Top founders are still alive and well, right? As for Van Halen's archive releases... that may change soon enough.
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Post by emrabt on Nov 22, 2020 21:47:37 GMT
ZZ Top - no archive releases Van Halen - no archive releases Madness? Madness? "The Business" box set had all their singles with all the B-sides with a bunch of Demos and short interview clips up until 1993
and "The Guided Tour of Madness" had all the stuff up until 2011 + a live dvd.
The new albums have Deluxe version with demos and other interesting stuff.
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Post by pg on Nov 23, 2020 7:37:24 GMT
I stand corrected on Madness (my recollection of The Business was that there was little archival in that).
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Post by pg on Nov 23, 2020 7:38:09 GMT
ZZ Top - no archive releases Van Halen - no archive releases Madness? The ZZ Top founders are still alive and well, right? As for Van Halen's archive releases... that may change soon enough. The question was about bands with little archival releases. They don't have to be dead!
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Post by emrabt on Nov 23, 2020 8:28:56 GMT
I stand corrected on Madness (my recollection of The Business was that there was little archival in that). It's mostly a singles collection, but it had a good selection of interview clips, alternative versions and demos in it too. It's jam packed with stuff considering it was released in the early 90's, by today's standards is a fairly average box set.
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Post by dave76 on Nov 23, 2020 12:20:02 GMT
I was thinking the other about a quote from someone, forgot who it was though. He said regarding to QP: if you expect dissapointment from QP, you won't be dissapointed.
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Post by peacelovingguy on Nov 23, 2020 13:08:51 GMT
There is little to no rational connection between loathing QAL and blaming it for 20 years of the dearth of rarities releases. Other than covid specific craziness which may have lead to the Miracle Box set being temporarily bumped for Live Around the World, QAL has promoted every vintage Queen release. The original tour was Sheer Heart Attack heavy when Live at the Rainbow was out, plus they did Love Kills (hardly a greatest hit). They then completely designed the second tour around News of the World, when, guess what, that release out.
The third tour, obviously, was the big movie celebratory tour, including performing Keep Yourself Alive and even Doing All Right off the soundtrack album.
Some of the criticisms of Roger and Brian are unfair and do not withstand any rational scrutiny.
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Post by jlf on Nov 23, 2020 18:39:59 GMT
Do any of us here remember in 1995, Queen were to release the complete BBC sessions? The B-sides of Let Me Live on the CD single were from the forthcoming BBC sessions, and it never materialised at the time. It took until 2016 for that set to be released and even then it seems the complaint is it was heavily autotuned although I haven't actually listened to it myself.
I would have been so excited to have this in 1995 and I would have bought it, but by 2016, I didn't want to part with my cash. I've bought so much Queen product over the decades including a BM guitar, I don't think that QPR missed my £40.
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Post by Dimitris on Nov 23, 2020 18:46:55 GMT
Do any of us here remember in 1995, Queen were to release the complete BBC sessions? The B-sides of Let Me Live on the CD single were from the forthcoming BBC sessions, and it never materialised at the time. It took until 2016 for that set to be released and even then it seems the complaint is it was heavily autotuned although I haven't actually listened to it myself. I would have been so excited to have this in 1995 and I would have bought it, but by 2016, I didn't want to part with my cash. I've bought so much Queen product over the decades including a BM guitar, I don't think that QPR missed my £40. I was very suprised back then with the b/sides and what's was going to happen. It was June 1996. In 2004—2005 Queen officiall website announced that the anthologies will be postponed to 2009 due to Q&PR. Also I remember that in mid 90s, it was to release Earl's Court, but again something changed. Finally it was a Rocks part two that never happen. Forever with unreleased songs and alternative takes..
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