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Post by thefonz on Jun 9, 2023 2:20:34 GMT
Now I've got Have a Cigar stuck in my head. Indeed the white suits are "riding the gravy train," more than ever before. Foo Fighters version with Taylor Hawkins on vocals and Brian on guitar? |
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Post by musicalprostitute on Jun 11, 2023 12:29:51 GMT
I am pleased to hear that it is something that is not set in stone, so to speak; that there is room for individual agreements, etc. I should think that Queen would choose to have as much control as they possibly can if they make this deal; knowing Roger - and especially Brian - I cannot see them relinquishing too much power or control when it comes to their catalogue and how it is used. They've got one of the best lawyers in the biz as their manager. They'll retain whatever they can. Aye; although, one wonders how much longer Jim will be able to do his job - apart from getting on a bit in years I've heard he has not been too well the last few years. I think his daughter helps out too though, so maybe she would take over if he retired. |
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Post by primejiveusa on Jun 12, 2023 0:06:39 GMT
They've got one of the best lawyers in the biz as their manager. They'll retain whatever they can. Aye; although, one wonders how much longer Jim will be able to do his job - apart from getting on a bit in years I've heard he has not been too well the last few years. I think his daughter helps out too though, so maybe she would take over if he retired. There's not much he can do regardless with or without his daughter. Queen sold it off for a few million about 15 years ago without the foresight of their present resurgence. Disney will make bank...Queen ? Not so much. |
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Post by pg on Jun 12, 2023 5:58:47 GMT
There's not much he can do regardless with or without his daughter. Queen sold it off for a few million about 15 years ago without the foresight of their present resurgence. Disney will make bank...Queen ? Not so much. Are you sure about that? There have been conflicting reports... |
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Post by primejiveusa on Jun 12, 2023 14:53:55 GMT
There's not much he can do regardless with or without his daughter. Queen sold it off for a few million about 15 years ago without the foresight of their present resurgence. Disney will make bank...Queen ? Not so much. Are you sure about that? There have been conflicting reports... LOL no...it's all very confusing to me. It seems most of what I read directs me to believe that the members of Queen will receive very little of that billion dollar transaction. |
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Post by grumzy on Jun 12, 2023 20:32:27 GMT
Are you sure about that? There have been conflicting reports... LOL no...it's all very confusing to me. It seems most of what I read directs me to believe that the members of Queen will receive very little of that billion dollar transaction. I just can't imagine that if the rights go for $1B that it wouldn't be the worldwide rights, so presumably the band will pick up something. I've not seen anything that suggests they gave up complete control of anything other than the North American rights. Recent European releases (Such as the Bo Rap/Thank God its Christmas 7" from Germany) say 'Universal Music Group under licence from Queen Productions Ltd" which implies QP Ltd, are still the ultimate owners. Whereas my recent North American releases (e.g. Bo Rap movie soundtrack) just say Hollywood Records. The North American rights might be the most valuable sector, but what percentage? 30% 50% 70%? definitely not all of it. Of course they could have licenced the ROW rights out to UMG for 50 years, so unless Brian or Roger decide to tell us how much they are getting, we'll likely never know. (Actually if they are getting nothing, we probably would hear about that, I can't imagine Brian staying silent about it if that were the case) GG |
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Post by primejiveusa on Jun 13, 2023 4:53:06 GMT
LOL no...it's all very confusing to me. It seems most of what I read directs me to believe that the members of Queen will receive very little of that billion dollar transaction. (Actually if they are getting nothing, we probably would hear about that, I can't imagine Brian staying silent about it if that were the case) GG I think you are right about Brian as he was quick to point out how they hadn't received anything from the movie. Hopefully someone from the media will ask him soon! |
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Post by billy on Jul 10, 2023 22:43:38 GMT
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Post by pg on Jul 11, 2023 20:33:53 GMT
I would suspect that excludes touring income, which will be shared 3 ways.
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Post by billy on Jul 11, 2023 22:02:31 GMT
I would suspect that excludes touring income, which will be shared 3 ways. At first I thought the third would be John, but you must mean Adam, right? It’s never occurred to me that he would be an equal profit participant rather than on salary. I’m sure there’s a discussion about that somewhere, lol. |
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Post by pg on Jul 12, 2023 6:43:09 GMT
Fair point, it may be a two way split. But you wouldn't put it through Queen Touring (which is a QPL subsidiary), would be my main point.
You'd have a new entity, which would probably pay a licensing fee to some part of QPL for use of the name, and potentially some equipment rental. That entity then pays crew, backing musicians out of ticket share, and splits the profit X ways.
At least that's the cold business way of doing it. IF Adam is salaried, then B/R could have been pretty generous and done QAL under Queen Touring, resulting in half the tour profit going to John and Mary (probably drawing a separate fee first to reflect their actual participation). But in that case, one would expect a) a higher overall profit, b) touring activities to be called out in the narrative.
Also, if QAL is a distinct entity, it would be easier to put Spike on a profit share, if desired.
Has anyone found QAL Touring on Companies House?
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Post by pg on Jul 12, 2023 15:40:10 GMT
Update - can't find anything that Brian / ROger are directors of that is not a subsidiary of QPL, so either QAL is incorporate somewhere else (US? Cayman?), or Queen TOuring is indeed doing it (and Queen Touring's accounts have seen activity in the year in question).
The Annual Report DOES, however, say "...an increase in licence fees on live music touring" which supports what I guessed at in that respect.
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Post by victor007 on Jul 14, 2023 9:03:34 GMT
Actualización: no puedo encontrar nada de lo que Brian / ROger sean directores que no sea una subsidiaria de QPL, por lo que QAL está incorporado en otro lugar (¿EE. UU.? ¿Caimán?), O Queen TOuring lo está haciendo (y las cuentas de Queen Touring han visto actividad en el año en cuestión). Sin embargo, el Informe Anual SÍ dice "... un aumento en las tarifas de licencia en giras de música en vivo", lo que respalda lo que supuse a ese respecto. |
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Post by pg on Jul 14, 2023 18:29:39 GMT
Actualización: no puedo encontrar nada de lo que Brian / ROger sean directores que no sea una subsidiaria de QPL, por lo que QAL está incorporado en otro lugar (¿EE. UU.? ¿Caimán?), O Queen TOuring lo está haciendo (y las cuentas de Queen Touring han visto actividad en el año en cuestión). Sin embargo, el Informe Anual SÍ dice "... un aumento en las tarifas de licencia en giras de música en vivo", lo que respalda lo que supuse a ese respecto. Please explain what this adds to the discussion? It's a link to the list of QPL directors. |
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Post by scotttmax on Jul 14, 2023 21:33:59 GMT
Please explain what this adds to the discussion? It's a link to the list of QPL directors. Look into a bit more and it gives you an idea of how much QP made last year. Bear in mind that QP is only one of the companies related to the band… |
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Post by pg on Jul 15, 2023 6:06:17 GMT
Please explain what this adds to the discussion? It's a link to the list of QPL directors. Look into a bit more and it gives you an idea of how much QP made last year. Bear in mind that QP is only one of the companies related to the band… The amount QP made was referenced further up the thread, and while QPL is indeed one of a number of companies, ALL the others are subsidiaries, which means their profit is consolidated into the ultimate parent. (Duck and Nightjar excepted, for reasons that are hopefully obvious). Our esteemed colleague Victor has tried to respond to me, but I suspect has slightly misunderstood me - I was just trying to clarify that. |
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Post by lumi on Feb 7, 2024 9:24:46 GMT
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Post by queenfan23 on Feb 8, 2024 1:42:21 GMT
If they sell the catalogue does that mean Brian and Roger will lose all control over future releases ?
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Post by musiclandmunich on Feb 8, 2024 2:08:36 GMT
If they sell the catalogue does that mean Brian and Roger will lose all control over future releases ?
I think not. They will look for an option to have all in balance. Alle four menbers have contact to their lawyers I`ve read ( in Freddie`s case obviously his heirs ). Probaply the buyer will need money from an investment bank or investors in general. |
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Post by jjmillenium on Feb 8, 2024 8:23:36 GMT
that didn't mean anythig, just when you will go to buy a Queen product, part of that money will go to somewhere else. Is like when Michael Jackson bought The Beatles catalogue... that means that MJ dis something to release more stuff from The Beatles? No... simply, he gets money for every movement around Beatles catalogue
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Post by pg on Feb 8, 2024 13:40:50 GMT
If they sell the catalogue does that mean Brian and Roger will lose all control over future releases ?
Not releases, but they'll probably lose some control over licensing. Whether you feel the licensing decisions can get any worse in a world where Flash is being rewritten to sell bleach is a different thing... |
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Post by queenfan23 on Feb 8, 2024 15:07:12 GMT
If they sell the catalogue does that mean Brian and Roger will lose all control over future releases ?
Not releases, but they'll probably lose some control over licensing. Whether you feel the licensing decisions can get any worse in a world where Flash is being rewritten to sell bleach is a different thing...
Its funny how they didn't allow Another One Bites the Dust to be used in Rocky 3.
That would have made them a lot of money and given them some new fans.
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Post by Ri on Feb 8, 2024 15:53:05 GMT
Whether you feel the licensing decisions can get any worse in a world where Flash is being rewritten to sell bleach is a different thing... No wait I actually liked that it was funny 😭 |
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Post by pg on Feb 8, 2024 18:23:29 GMT
Its funny how they didn't allow Another One Bites the Dust to be used in Rocky 3.
That would have made them a lot of money and given them some new fans.
I kind of agree, except... at the time they were an ongoing band, with new material being written / recorded when the request came in (early 82, one assumes). To have a song from the previous album (or one before last if you include Flash) getting a high profile might have felt likely to confuse record buyers. Plus, it's already been a US #1, it'll be overkill to release it. Of course it might have been in the film and NOT a single, but in that case, why bother at all? it's just a one-off fee that probably wouldn't make much money (vs what GH1 is doing and of course, Hot Space is going to be really popular....) |
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Post by queenfan23 on Feb 9, 2024 1:07:59 GMT
Its funny how they didn't allow Another One Bites the Dust to be used in Rocky 3.
That would have made them a lot of money and given them some new fans.
I kind of agree, except... at the time they were an ongoing band, with new material being written / recorded when the request came in (early 82, one assumes). To have a song from the previous album (or one before last if you include Flash) getting a high profile might have felt likely to confuse record buyers. Plus, it's already been a US #1, it'll be overkill to release it. Of course it might have been in the film and NOT a single, but in that case, why bother at all? it's just a one-off fee that probably wouldn't make much money (vs what GH1 is doing and of course, Hot Space is going to be really popular....)
But if Queen had of allowed their music to be used in Rocky it would have immortalized them in 1980s American popular culture.
Flash and Highlander are not really mainstream films in America compared to the Rocky Franchise.
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Post by pg on Feb 9, 2024 7:37:37 GMT
But if Queen had of allowed their music to be used in Rocky it would have immortalized them in 1980s American popular culture. But that's really a retrospective view, isn't it. Look at it purely from a position of what was known in 1982 - - sequels and franchise properties are not a major proportion of the cinema landscape in the way they are later - Rocky 2 was less successful than Rocky 1. Less revenue, less profit, fewer awards & nominations - songs becoming hits from films, while increasing in frequency, are primarily NEW songs (Arthur / Chariots of Fire in 1981), not recent big hits - AOBTD is already a "cultural phenomenon" in the eyes of the band, as a US #1 that crossed over to black radio. I don't think the ubiquity of "Eye Of The Tiger" is a comparison, because that was a new song, which record buyers (and radio) embraced. No way would DJs start playing AOBTD again in late 82, and it wouldn't have been the single off the soundtrack, as who would buy it now? It sold a million the year before last! So your "immortalisation in American culture" would have to have come about from its use in a training montage in a film sequel, when the montage from the first film is already iconic I still agree that they could have let it in the film as a kind of celebration of that time it was a huge record. But I can really see why they didn't. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Feb 15, 2024 1:57:31 GMT
In other news, this is the first time this great shot has been seen in hi res:  |
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Post by farfelbaby on Apr 13, 2024 4:43:15 GMT
If Springsteen could get 500 million for his CRAP
Qqueen should get a BILLION.
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Post by pg on Apr 13, 2024 7:19:57 GMT
If Springsteen could get 500 million for his CRAP Qqueen should get a BILLION. Useful addition to the discussion, well done. Whether YOU like him or not, he's very POPULAR generally. |
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Post by billy on Apr 13, 2024 11:09:18 GMT
Here’s a link to an updated list of music catalog sales, their artistic merits notwithstanding: www.ajournalofmusicalthings.com/heres-a-running-list-of-artists-who-have-sold-some-or-all-of-their-song-catalogues-to-a-new-breed-of-company/Most of the sales figures are undisclosed, but it is quite an extensive list. I was surprised a few months ago when I read that Katy Perry sold her catalog for $225 million. Queen’s asking price of a billion dollars certainly seemed like it would happen based on that valuation. But more recently it was announced that the Kiss catalog sold for $300 million. Only $300 million? That was the first thought I had. Maybe the market is declining? Either that or I fell victim to Gene Simmons’ incessant hyperbole that Kiss are the greatest band in the world and he is the greatest businessman ever...lol |
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