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Post by mike71 on May 1, 2020 12:42:41 GMT
Back Chat Is one of the few Dance style songs I feel worked on Hot Space..I dig the song..There was a rumor that the song was an Anti Brian song. Would anyone have any Info If It was a song about Brian?
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Post by Steve on May 1, 2020 12:44:46 GMT
Would JD really write it about that?? Surely not.
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Post by Makka on May 3, 2020 12:31:30 GMT
Would JD really write it about that?? Surely not. Agree. Can't see that being the case!
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Post by Ri on May 4, 2020 1:13:50 GMT
Finally some other perspective on this! A lot of other fans I know (post-movie, granted, like myself) seem to conclude from pretty much nowhere that Back Chat was written about Brian. Overtime it became something like an "open secret" without any explanation on whether that was the secret in the first place. I don't think there was any source for this other than a stretch speculation of the line "you stand so tall, you don't frighten me at all".
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Post by Steve on May 4, 2020 7:30:40 GMT
"Cause you're talking in your sleep and you're walking in a daze".
How does he know if Brian talks in his sleep?
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Post by georg on May 4, 2020 15:38:33 GMT
"Cause you're talking in your sleep and you're walking in a daze". How does he know if Brian talks in his sleep? I'm sure they used to bunk together back in the early days.
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Post by mike71 on May 4, 2020 17:30:53 GMT
I personally Think the song Is a typical song about Marriage...Endless complaints and Nagging from the wife. Always getting the last word In...The first time I heard It's possibly about Brian was on youtube when I recently watched the video.
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Post by Steve on May 8, 2020 12:56:22 GMT
"Cause you're talking in your sleep and you're walking in a daze". How does he know if Brian talks in his sleep? I'm sure they used to bunk together back in the early days. Bunk beds or a bunk up?
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Post by The Real Wizard on May 9, 2020 2:38:13 GMT
It could be about band dynamics as much as domestic life. But the only person who can answer the question hasn't talked about music to anyone for 20 years.
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Post by randomqueenie on May 24, 2020 21:11:23 GMT
The official music video for Backchat is full of comments saying John wrote the song complaining about Brian but, as far as I know, no one's ever been able to provide a link to an interview or article confirming that story. Same with Misfire, most comments say it's about premature ejaculation but there's really no proof. Funny thing is, I checked the comments in chronogical order and before the movie everybody just said it was a cute love song but after the movie it seems the comment section was flooded by teenagers claiming over and over again that it was about premature ejaculation and that John wasn't as innocent as people think.
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Post by Ri on May 25, 2020 2:24:24 GMT
The official music video for Backchat is full of comments saying John wrote the song complaining about Brian but, as far as I know, no one's ever been able to provide a link to an interview or article confirming that story. Same with Misfire, most comments say it's about premature ejaculation but there's really no proof. Funny thing is, I checked the comments in chronogical order and before the movie everybody just said it was a cute love song but after the movie it seems the comment section was flooded by teenagers claiming over and over again that it was about premature ejaculation and that John wasn't as innocent as people think. Thank you for confirming this... for a long time I genuinely felt uninformed as to where in Queen history were these song meanings ever mentioned lol.
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Post by jimmydean on May 25, 2020 3:54:16 GMT
could have been about anything and just began with a title. how many queen songs mention the title of the songs that many times in a song? it must have started with a great bass line and that title. Lyrics, I believe, were simply an afterthought. the context of those lyrics are quite vague and inconsistent over the length of the song - it could have been about the press, personal, or even bits and pieces off a movie or something he watched on TV. given they were uber-democratic, they were probably careful about hurting each other's feelings. I don't think this was Queen's Sweet Emotion.
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Post by jlf on May 31, 2020 18:07:50 GMT
I've never heard until today that it was about Brian. My guess is it's just about a relationship that John either imagined, saw on TV, or maybe on some level experienced himself but I can't imagine him being so overtly vitriolic to Brian even at that fractious time within the group. But then I don't know John, or Brian. Perhaps they were total twats to each other?
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Post by NathanH on May 31, 2020 20:01:54 GMT
Brian and John is the one duo combo in Queen which rarely happened. Did they ever do an interview with just the two of them? Or pictures with the pair of them? I mean there is one notable evidence with the video of Brian and John doing a fan club message in 1994 but it is extremely hard to find. I really do think Back Chat is about Brian it really does make a lot of sense.
The interesting now about Brian and John's relationship now in the context of Queen is that John only ever speaks to Brian (this is by email of course). I think Roger said somewhere that he last had contact with John ten years ago. So if Brian and John didn't get along they must have made up.
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Post by emrabt on Jun 1, 2020 7:56:46 GMT
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 1, 2020 8:27:49 GMT
Brian and John is the one duo combo in Queen which rarely happened. well, from a professional (working) point of view. how often did McCartney & Lennon actually collaborate? where you have bands where people write their own songs, you don't get collaboration to any great level. also, by 82 - Freddie and John were moving further into pop/dance, while Brian was still very much a rocker. This is borne out by Freddie and John working together more often - even on non-dance stuff (FWBF). as for the song theme itself: there's plenty in the lyrics to support the conspiracy. especially if we have a little fun and stretch deploy the convenience of "double meaning" to the lyrics. Once we do that, we can see almost anything - and most of it can be nonsense, or it may be deliberate double meanings. who knows for sure? Most of these lines could easily be interpreted as the chatter, comments and "criticism" as heard via the studio Control Room talk back mics. If Brian's on the desk while John is playing, then it's [just about] feasible that the following could apply to that situation. Back chat, back chat [another way of saying "talk back" - especially any negative Control Room chatter] Criticizing all you see [Brian was the most exacting and analytical in the band] Talk back, talk back [possible reference to Control Room talk back mic] Wind me up and get your way [rewind the tape and instruct John to "play it again - this way" Don't talk back just leave me alone You stand so tall [Brian?]conspiracies aside, in the absence of actual proof - it's all just idle conjecture. It may be just a bit of (almost believable) fun for us to debate this. But without corroboration Feasible and Fact are not even distant cousins.
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Post by emrabt on Jun 1, 2020 8:30:54 GMT
You stand so tall [Brian?]
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Post by Rick on Jun 1, 2020 9:36:58 GMT
Love John's guitar work on this.
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Post by NathanH on Jun 1, 2020 13:06:15 GMT
That clip is interesting because it is Brian on the left and John on the right. Notice how Brian is sitting further to left in his seat and John is sitting furthest to the right. John got a bit more relaxed as the interview got on so he got a bit more comfy in his seat by sitting a bit more in the middle but Brian didn't move once. I know they're talking like they get on really well but in terms of body language I think it implies the opposite.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 14:29:05 GMT
I don't think such a diagnosis is particularly sound after being made based on a short video. Not even world renowned psychologists (none of which is here as far as I know) would draw such deep conclusions based on such scatty evidence.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 1, 2020 15:01:14 GMT
m.youtube.com/watch?v=z_mPJ2wVa0A That clip is interesting because it is Brian on the left and John on the right. Notice how Brian is sitting further to left in his seat and John is sitting furthest to the right. John got a bit more relaxed as the interview got on so he got a bit more comfy in his seat by sitting a bit more in the middle but Brian didn't move once. I know they're talking like they get on really well but in terms of body language I think it implies the opposite. i don;'t see much in the way of uncomfortable body language - more likely just uncomfortable seating facilities. honestly think you're reading stuff in there that isn't there. I don't think such a diagnosis is particularly sound after being made based on a short video. Not even world renowned psychologists (none of which is here as far as I know) would draw such deep conclusions based on such scatty evidence. exactly. ^ there could've been all kinds of reasons for the seating arrangements. â– perhaps the physicality of the venue itself is creating an illusion (for you) of a tense atmosphere that doesn't actually exist â– perhaps it was also filmed for a docu with other camera angles included for broadcast? â– perhaps that just happened to be the physical layout of the interview room â– perhaps Brian had a very strong vegan curry the night before and John was well-advised to sit "upwind" of him? don;t get me wrong: perhaps they really didn't like each other. it's just that there's nothing in that interview to back up the idea = as is there nothing elsewhere to prove this either.
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Post by pg on Jun 1, 2020 18:17:55 GMT
I think somebody has made up their mind, and nothing anyone says is going to change it.
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Post by NathanH on Jun 1, 2020 19:41:04 GMT
Sorry I did media studies for two years, there was a lot of this sort of thing. I'm addicted to it! Well it helped me get a grade B at college last year!
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 1, 2020 21:17:05 GMT
I think somebody has made up their mind, and nothing anyone says is going to change it. depends who you are referring to. myself? i'll be convinced by opposing viewpoints if logical evidence is presented - as i think most will the same.
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Post by goodco on Jun 2, 2020 3:58:47 GMT
I have no idea what you said here or in other threads, because that avatar is so distracting, that I have to avoid your posts and scroll past (like I do with Back Chat...)
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Post by pg on Jun 2, 2020 18:10:41 GMT
I think somebody has made up their mind, and nothing anyone says is going to change it. depends who you are referring to. myself? i'll be convinced by opposing viewpoints if logical evidence is presented - as i think most will the same. Not you.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 2, 2020 21:07:04 GMT
depends who you are referring to. myself? i'll be convinced by opposing viewpoints if logical evidence is presented - as i think most will the same. Not you. i thought maybe not, but nice to be sure though.
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Post by jant1106 on Jun 7, 2020 2:33:39 GMT
I think there may be something to it. I remember some passing but pointed comments from Brian May both in interviews at the time and in interviews about that time where he said things about John trying to cut out the guitars from his songs, (and earlier there had been something where Brian talked about John playing all the guitars in an earlier song, ‘cutting him(Brian) out of the song’, that sounded a bit bitter). It’s always couched in things like ‘and fair enough’, or a joke but to me it always seemed like that might be concealing some actual hard feelings.
There’s just something about how Brian presents things at times, that makes me think he might actually be quite unrelenting, and a bit of a diva in an understated way that makes it hard to call him out. If that were true, I could see the frustration brewing over into something like Backchat. Especially since I don’t think John ever really felt he had the same voice in the band as the others, despite claims of it being ‘a democracy.’
I do think there’s a reason he and Brian never wrote song together that goes beyond him and Freddie having a more similar interest, and Freddie literally ‘being his voice’ during the writing process by performing vocals time and again until it was how John wanted.
Look, it might be, it might not be, but I can definitely see it making sense.
(As far as ‘Misfire’ goes. I don’t actually think it’s about premature ejaculation, but that’s definitely where my mind went the first time. I’ve also seen that theory floated around long before the movie. Usually followed by someone saying ‘it was written by John, not Freddie.’ Just saying, for something probably not about that subject, it sure is an awfully good, extended double entendre.)
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Post by cmsdrums on Aug 6, 2020 21:27:17 GMT
Has anyone started a theory yet that ‘If You Can’t Beat Em’ is John’s comments of being in Queen at the time?! There’s far more lyrical content there that could be made to fit that scenario than anything Being theorised here about Back Chat!
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Post by Sakura4anime25 on Aug 6, 2020 23:42:05 GMT
For Misfire, I agree that I doubt it was supposed to be about that (as stated earlier lol). Let's be real, John was probably never a completely squeaky-clean, pure angel or anything (I mean c'mon, rockstar in the '70s lol), but I still really don't think he seems like the kind of person to go and write a song about that.
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