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Post by _Bijou_ on Oct 8, 2024 15:00:57 GMT
I received my vinyl of the Night Comes Down today and noticed some random "writing" on the disc.
I don't know how to upload photos but it looks like, "Miles Abbey Road 1/2 speed Room 30.
Is this meant to be on there or does anyone have any info on it?
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Post by alexlizzy on Oct 8, 2024 15:09:17 GMT
I received my vinyl of the Night Comes Down today and noticed some random "writing" on the disc. I don't know how to upload photos but it looks like, "Miles Abbey Road 1/2 speed Room 30. Is this meant to be on there or does anyone have any info on it? Its called "matrix runout" and its meant to be on any legitimate vinyl, yes. That particular "Miles Abbey Road 1/2 speed Room 30" value is actually quite a standard on Queen modern vinyls, most latest ones they released have that matrix value. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_number |
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Post by _Bijou_ on Oct 8, 2024 15:16:27 GMT
Interesting, I had no idea. Thank you. 🙂
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Post by pg on Oct 8, 2024 15:22:22 GMT
I disagree. If people WANT to announce their intentions (either way), that's free speech. The "free speech" card never lands well. Nobody's suggesting anyone shouldn't have free speech, which is defined as government restricting your right to it. That's therefore a straw man argument. If you're on a forum dedicated to a band, chances are you're in the top 0.001% of fandom for that band. And if you openly declare that you aren't going to buy a niche product that has been specifically catered for people like you, before it even exists, for non-economic reasons - in this case a box set where 5 of 6 discs have new material from ~50 years ago - then people have every right (ahem, free speech) to opine that something isn't quite lining up. You yourself declared it to be a "substandard product" - how can you possibly offer that comprehensive review for something you have not yet heard 98% of I acknowledge that "free speech" is emotive and a suboptimal term - I used it as a shorthand for wanting a forum where all sides of a debate can be heard, not to have only one side allowed (which seemed a reasonable interpretation of what was being suggested). I'm relaxed about people calling bullshit on me claiming I'm not buying it - you're all welcome to come round and look at my non-existent copies of NOTW, TM, AW, BTTL, On Air box sets if it lends weight to my claim! I also wanted a better term than "substandard", but was more focussed on getting the post done so I could walk the dog. In the same way that a single word "review" can't really validly be described as "comprehensive"....? What I meant by substandard - it's expensive, it contains previously exploited material unnecessarily (Rainbow), it's unnecessarily padded out in terms of formats (one disc with 5 tracks on, forced inclusion of vinyl), it lacks key features that one might feel are, if not "industry standard" then at least "best practice" (a surround mix), it's incomplete (the videos are missing entirely). So in terms of clearing the bar that entices me to put my hand in my pocket - the inclusion of one disc of unreleased material does not sufficiently outweigh those other issues, and therefore it falls "below" my "purchase standard". (I haven't included the text being removed from the book, the probable autotune, or the new mix, as none of that is known) |
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Post by pg on Oct 8, 2024 15:23:40 GMT
Interesting, I had no idea. Thank you. 🙂 Is this the first vinyl record you're ever owned? |
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Post by leighburne on Oct 8, 2024 15:34:33 GMT
If you're on a forum dedicated to a band, chances are you're in the top 0.001% of fandom for that band. And if you openly declare that you aren't going to buy a niche product that has been specifically catered for people like you, before it even exists, for non-economic reasons - in this case a box set where 5 of 6 discs have new material from ~50 years ago - then people have every right (ahem, free speech) to opine that something isn't quite lining up. Why do people keep acting like anyone who has a perceived problem with this box is somehow wrong? |
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Post by pg on Oct 8, 2024 15:37:07 GMT
Wait, I just noticed.
BBC Session 2 from July 1973 (before the album release) is not completely included, presumably because SWAFIB is considered a Queen 2 track....
Meanwhile, from the "Queen I Sessions" disc, we have something called SWAFIB....
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Post by _Bijou_ on Oct 8, 2024 16:43:57 GMT
Interesting, I had no idea. Thank you. 🙂 Is this the first vinyl record you're ever owned? No, but I don't have a record player at the moment and never noticed this on the few records that I have. |
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Post by techgnome on Oct 8, 2024 16:55:10 GMT
I received my vinyl of the Night Comes Down today and noticed some random "writing" on the disc. I don't know how to upload photos but it looks like, "Miles Abbey Road 1/2 speed Room 30. Is this meant to be on there or does anyone have any info on it? Its called "matrix runout" and its meant to be on any legitimate vinyl, yes. That particular "Miles Abbey Road 1/2 speed Room 30" value is actually quite a standard on Queen modern vinyls, most latest ones they released have that matrix value. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_numberPrecisely. That matrix value means that it was cut at Abbey Road by Miles Showell, mastering engineer there and an expert in half-speed mastering, in Room 30. You can see an interview with him down below: |
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Post by Maxi Dries on Oct 8, 2024 17:17:04 GMT
Wait, I just noticed. BBC Session 2 from July 1973 (before the album release) is not completely included, presumably because SWAFIB is considered a Queen 2 track.... Meanwhile, from the "Queen I Sessions" disc, we have something called SWAFIB.... OMG, I'm cancelling the order. |
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 8, 2024 18:01:58 GMT
Wait, I just noticed. BBC Session 2 from July 1973 (before the album release) is not completely included, presumably because SWAFIB is considered a Queen 2 track.... Meanwhile, from the "Queen I Sessions" disc, we have something called SWAFIB.... Sorry, but I didn't understand a thing. |
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 8, 2024 18:03:11 GMT
Wait, I just noticed. BBC Session 2 from July 1973 (before the album release) is not completely included, presumably because SWAFIB is considered a Queen 2 track.... Meanwhile, from the "Queen I Sessions" disc, we have something called SWAFIB.... OMG, I'm cancelling the order. Come on! Let's just cancel all pre-orders because of autotune, greed, etc. |
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Post by saintjiub on Oct 8, 2024 18:38:45 GMT
Wait, I just noticed. BBC Session 2 from July 1973 (before the album release) is not completely included, presumably because SWAFIB is considered a Queen 2 track.... Meanwhile, from the "Queen I Sessions" disc, we have something called SWAFIB.... OMG, I'm cancelling the order. Sarcasm? |
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Post by creepy on Oct 8, 2024 18:51:18 GMT
You haven't bought anything from Queen / solo in 20 years? Well, interesting music has been released since then: Live in Budapest, The Cosmos Rocks, Fun on earth, Rainbow, Hammersmith Odeon, The miracle box, News of the world box, etc. Have you heard all those records?
Yes, I have. Everything.
As other collectors I fed up with some rubbish they released around that era so I stopped buying Queen items. Even I have to say that I sold 95% of everything. I´m still having some items and stuff but nothing interesting in these days
Queen ceased to exist as a band in 1991, 33 years ago. They can't create new music since then. Taking this aspect into account, what item would Queen have to launch on the market to meet your expectations? I think you're one of those people who hopes Queen will release a collection of songs they never recorded and that magnificent secret concert that no one saw and that was never filmed. |
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Post by saintjiub on Oct 8, 2024 18:58:09 GMT
Mp3s of 63 songs from Queen I box set is less than $20. Surely, paying $20 is better than unlawfully downloading official copyrighted work for "free" ... No. Firstly, the illegal downloads will be Flac, not mp3. Secondly, principle. Not supporting substandard products I get the impression (based on your past box set purchases) that you will be buying the physical Queen I box set In my opinion, illegal downloading of a product (without paying) that has been officially released is morally dubious. I did without the 2017 NotW box set (and did not illegally download) until a few weeks ago when I purchased the NotW box set "on sale" for $112. I will not purchase the overpriced & redundant physical box set for $180, but buying the cheap mp3 version is a good compromise for me, as I will be legitimately able to listen to the previously unreleased Queen I music without compromising my principles. |
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Post by creepy on Oct 8, 2024 19:05:17 GMT
I disagree. If people WANT to announce their intentions (either way), that's free speech. The "free speech" card never lands well. Nobody's suggesting anyone shouldn't have free speech, which is defined as government restricting your right to it. That's therefore a straw man argument. If you're on a forum dedicated to a band, chances are you're in the top 0.001% of fandom for that band. And if you openly declare that you aren't going to buy a niche product that has been specifically catered for people like you, before it even exists, for non-economic reasons - in this case a box set where 5 of 6 discs have new material from ~50 years ago - then people have every right (ahem, free speech) to opine that something isn't quite lining up. You yourself declared it to be a "substandard product" - how can you possibly offer that comprehensive review for something you have not yet heard 98% of ? If you allow me, I will answer. The problem is that people are satiated with absolutely everything. Youtube, mp3 music and all these things are "poisoned gifts". When you have music at the click of a button, it loses all its value, it lacks all the magic that existed in the past, when you had to go to a record store to try to find AND PAY for that record or that VHS that few people had. Not now, now music is free. When something is free, it depreciates. There are many who write here who are not going to buy the Queen I box set, even so, they are going to rate it with a negative rating. The problem is not the music, but the listener, who has a full belly. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 8, 2024 19:19:05 GMT
The "free speech" card never lands well. Nobody's suggesting anyone shouldn't have free speech, which is defined as government restricting your right to it. That's therefore a straw man argument. If you're on a forum dedicated to a band, chances are you're in the top 0.001% of fandom for that band. And if you openly declare that you aren't going to buy a niche product that has been specifically catered for people like you, before it even exists, for non-economic reasons - in this case a box set where 5 of 6 discs have new material from ~50 years ago - then people have every right (ahem, free speech) to opine that something isn't quite lining up. You yourself declared it to be a "substandard product" - how can you possibly offer that comprehensive review for something you have not yet heard 98% of ? If you allow me, I will answer. The problem is that people are satiated with absolutely everything. Youtube, mp3 music and all these things are "poisoned gifts". When you have music at the click of a button, it loses all its value, it lacks all the magic that existed in the past, when you had to go to a record store to try to find AND PAY for that record or that VHS that few people had. Not now, now music is free. When something is free, it depreciates. There are many who write here who are not going to buy the Queen I box set, even so, they are going to rate it with a negative rating. The problem is not the music, but the listener, who has a full belly. I definitely think since music became digitised, some of the magic is gone. I was only thinking today how long it was since I had the excitement of buying a new record, and playing it to death until I'd learned all the lyrics, knew all the drum fills, all the nuances that we now notice as minute differences with each re-release. Nowadays, I pre-order a CD, forget about it until it arrives, then rip it to my phone. I usually play the album once through, then, unless it's something exceptional, it goes onto my ever expanding shuffle playlist, so I end up hearing probably one track a week. Technology has made music much more accessible, but the enjoyment of the physical product has largely gone. |
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Post by pg on Oct 8, 2024 19:24:16 GMT
I get the impression (based on your past box set purchases) that you will be buying the physical Queen I box set Er....what? ? ? you're all welcome to come round and look at my non-existent copies of NOTW, TM, AW, BTTL, On Air box sets My past box set purchases were: The Queen Collection The Freddie Mercury Box Set Live At The Rainbow At The Odeon The Lot I'd love to know how you can infer ANYTHING AT ALL from that, let alone something specific like me doing something I've said at least twice that I will not be doing (plus, do I seem like someone that would say one thing and do another?) |
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Post by vh on Oct 8, 2024 20:31:56 GMT
The "free speech" card never lands well. Nobody's suggesting anyone shouldn't have free speech, which is defined as government restricting your right to it. That's therefore a straw man argument. If you're on a forum dedicated to a band, chances are you're in the top 0.001% of fandom for that band. And if you openly declare that you aren't going to buy a niche product that has been specifically catered for people like you, before it even exists, for non-economic reasons - in this case a box set where 5 of 6 discs have new material from ~50 years ago - then people have every right (ahem, free speech) to opine that something isn't quite lining up. You yourself declared it to be a "substandard product" - how can you possibly offer that comprehensive review for something you have not yet heard 98% of ? If you allow me, I will answer. The problem is that people are satiated with absolutely everything. Youtube, mp3 music and all these things are "poisoned gifts". When you have music at the click of a button, it loses all its value, it lacks all the magic that existed in the past, when you had to go to a record store to try to find AND PAY for that record or that VHS that few people had. Not now, now music is free. When something is free, it depreciates. There are many who write here who are not going to buy the Queen I box set, even so, they are going to rate it with a negative rating. The problem is not the music, but the listener, who has a full belly. The real value of music is in the way it makes the listener feel. The methods of hearing music that you’ve listed doesn’t change the musical or emotional content. I agree there is a certain magic In going to a record store to find whatever it is you are looking for and there is a certain magic in being able to hold a record/ CD and look at the cover and read the information contained in the package. But whether you walk past a busker in the street and hear something brilliant at no cost or hear a song on an album you paid £20 for makes no difference to what is being listened too. As far as rating music you haven’t paid for, how many people walk through art galleries and pass comment on what they see, how often do you hear something on the radio and have an opinion on it? How many years have you read and taken note of music reviews by writers who have never paid for the music they are writing about? This is a place where freedom of speech allows views/comments whether or not we own the thing we sometimes have views on. |
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Post by jjmillenium on Oct 8, 2024 21:09:21 GMT
Yes, I have. Everything.
As other collectors I fed up with some rubbish they released around that era so I stopped buying Queen items. Even I have to say that I sold 95% of everything. I´m still having some items and stuff but nothing interesting in these days
Queen ceased to exist as a band in 1991, 33 years ago. They can't create new music since then. Taking this aspect into account, what item would Queen have to launch on the market to meet your expectations? I think you're one of those people who hopes Queen will release a collection of songs they never recorded and that magnificent scret concert that no one saw and that was never filmed. ask Beatles or Pink Floyd fans |
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Post by saintjiub on Oct 8, 2024 21:14:19 GMT
I get the impression (based on your past box set purchases) that you will be buying the physical Queen I box set Er....what? ? ? you're all welcome to come round and look at my non-existent copies of NOTW, TM, AW, BTTL, On Air box sets My past box set purchases were: The Queen Collection The Freddie Mercury Box Set Live At The Rainbow At The Odeon The Lot I'd love to know how you can infer ANYTHING AT ALL from that, let alone something specific like me doing something I've said at least twice that I will not be doing (plus, do I seem like someone that would say one thing and do another?) Sorry misread/misremembered .... badly ... I assumed you were more hardcore than me and would tend to purchase the box sets ... or at least purchase the condensed 2 CD versions of the box sets (other than NotW). I am also currently unreasonably guessing that you are "the inflexible type" that would not illegally download copyrighted music. I apologize if this response is inappropriate, but I usually say what I think, but often I am "wrong" or misguided ... |
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Post by saintjiub on Oct 8, 2024 21:28:56 GMT
The "free speech" card never lands well. Nobody's suggesting anyone shouldn't have free speech, which is defined as government restricting your right to it. That's therefore a straw man argument. If you're on a forum dedicated to a band, chances are you're in the top 0.001% of fandom for that band. And if you openly declare that you aren't going to buy a niche product that has been specifically catered for people like you, before it even exists, for non-economic reasons - in this case a box set where 5 of 6 discs have new material from ~50 years ago - then people have every right (ahem, free speech) to opine that something isn't quite lining up. You yourself declared it to be a "substandard product" - how can you possibly offer that comprehensive review for something you have not yet heard 98% of ? If you allow me, I will answer. The problem is that people are satiated with absolutely everything. Youtube, mp3 music and all these things are "poisoned gifts". I think that YouTube of official product is NOT a poisoned gift, as I do not listen to it more than once (like old-school listening to the radio). |
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Post by antonio on Oct 8, 2024 21:42:30 GMT
Yes, I have. Everything.
As other collectors I fed up with some rubbish they released around that era so I stopped buying Queen items. Even I have to say that I sold 95% of everything. I´m still having some items and stuff but nothing interesting in these days
Queen ceased to exist as a band in 1991, 33 years ago. They can't create new music since then. Taking this aspect into account, what item would Queen have to launch on the market to meet your expectations? I think you're one of those people who hopes Queen will release a collection of songs they never recorded and that magnificent scret concert that no one saw and that was never filmed.
You´re absolutely wrong.
I´m an ex-collector who would love to see (then) (as was said in FM Box) Anthologies, unreleased shows (Earls Court, Hammy 79, Houston) instead of remakes of songs with other artists, re-re-releases of GHs, etc etc like they did in those days.
It´s not a matter of releasing something that meet my expectations...Or at least not now...Now anything they release, good or not, i´ll download and that´s it. QP had its time to release intesting thing in the past, but they didn´t...I got tired and decided not to buy anything else.
As other collectors decided as I can see...
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Post by pg on Oct 8, 2024 21:49:34 GMT
Sorry misread/misremembered .... badly ... I assumed you were more hardcore than me and would tend to purchase the box sets ... or at least purchase the condensed 2 CD versions of the box sets (other than NotW). I am also currently unreasonably guessing that you are "the inflexible type" that would not illegally download copyrighted music. I apologize if this response is inappropriate, but I usually say what I think, but often I am "wrong" or misguided ... I wasn't taking offence, I was just really confused! |
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Post by creepy on Oct 8, 2024 22:10:11 GMT
Queen ceased to exist as a band in 1991, 33 years ago. They can't create new music since then. Taking this aspect into account, what item would Queen have to launch on the market to meet your expectations? I think you're one of those people who hopes Queen will release a collection of songs they never recorded and that magnificent scret concert that no one saw and that was never filmed. ask Beatles or Pink Floyd fans How many unreleased songs have been released by The Beatles since 1971? Queen released 6 songs in 2022. |
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Post by creepy on Oct 8, 2024 22:11:16 GMT
You´re absolutely wrong. I´m an ex-collector who would love to see (then) (as was said in FM Box) Anthologies, unreleased shows (Earls Court, Hammy 79, Houston) instead of remakes of songs with other artists, re-re-releases of GHs, etc etc like they did in those days. It´s not a matter of releasing something that meet my expectations...Or at least not now...Now anything they release, good or not, i´ll download and that´s it. QP had its time to release intesting thing in the past, but they didn´t...I got tired and decided not to buy anything else. As other collectors decided as I can see...
Queen has already officially released the Rainbow concerts (March and November 1974), Hammersmith Odeon (1975), Live Killers (1979), Montreal (1981), Milton Keynes (1982), Japan (1982), Japan (1985), Rio (1985), Live Aid (1985), Budapest (1986), Wembley (both nights), Live magic..... and some that I have left in the pipeline. But you need Houston and Hammersmith Odeon (1979). And when those two concerts are released, what will be the next thing to complain about? Despite everything that has been released, if you feel that there are two concerts left to be released, you are tired. The Houston and Hammersmith Odeon concerts (1979) are available on YouTube. When Queen puts them on sale they won't satisfy you because you've already seen both concerts. 2 years ago Queen released 6 unreleased songs in the "The miracle" box set. If you treat the 6 unreleased songs like disposable Kleenex, it happens that a month after they are released and you have downloaded them from any application, it happens that you need more. There is nothing in the Queen archives that can satisfy you, because things have to be valued properly. |
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Post by saintjiub on Oct 8, 2024 23:10:09 GMT
Queen ceased to exist as a band in 1991, 33 years ago. They can't create new music since then. Taking this aspect into account, what item would Queen have to launch on the market to meet your expectations? I think you're one of those people who hopes Queen will release a collection of songs they never recorded and that magnificent scret concert that no one saw and that was never filmed.
You´re absolutely wrong.
I´m an ex-collector who would love to see (then) (as was said in FM Box) Anthologies, unreleased shows (Earls Court, Hammy 79, Houston) instead of remakes of songs with other artists, re-re-releases of GHs, etc etc like they did in those days.
It´s not a matter of releasing something that meet my expectations...Or at least not now...Now anything they release, good or not, i´ll download and that´s it. QP had its time to release intesting thing in the past, but they didn´t...I got tired and decided not to buy anything else.
As other collectors decided as I can see...
I disagree. In my opinion just because an official Queen release is imperfect, does not entitle you to download it for free. "Is your conscience all right? Does it plague you at night?" |
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Post by thesirhc on Oct 8, 2024 23:35:18 GMT
Wait, I just noticed. BBC Session 2 from July 1973 (before the album release) is not completely included, presumably because SWAFIB is considered a Queen 2 track.... Meanwhile, from the "Queen I Sessions" disc, we have something called SWAFIB.... All non-Queen 1 tracks are omitted from the BBC disc but SWAFIB (De Lane Lea Test Session) is included in the other disc. Is that what you're talking about? Hopefully that means s there's something more interesting about it than including the already-released BBC version. Woohoo for one less already-released track in favor of a new one! |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 8, 2024 23:44:44 GMT
Wait, I just noticed. BBC Session 2 from July 1973 (before the album release) is not completely included, presumably because SWAFIB is considered a Queen 2 track.... Meanwhile, from the "Queen I Sessions" disc, we have something called SWAFIB.... All non-Queen 1 tracks are omitted from the BBC disc but SWAFIB (De Lane Lea Test Session) is included in the other disc. Is that what you're talking about? Hopefully that means s there's something more interesting about it than including the already-released BBC version. Woohoo for one less already-released track in favor of a new one! And it also probably means they're saving the other BBC tracks for the Queen II box set. 🙄 |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 8, 2024 23:51:33 GMT
What I meant by substandard - it's expensive, it contains previously exploited material unnecessarily (Rainbow), it's unnecessarily padded out in terms of formats (one disc with 5 tracks on, forced inclusion of vinyl), it lacks key features that one might feel are, if not "industry standard" then at least "best practice" (a surround mix), it's incomplete (the videos are missing entirely) Then just say it's expensive instead of searching for a reaction with buzz words. You weaken your points by speaking in hyperbole. Just stick to the facts. |
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