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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 11, 2024 15:28:19 GMT
- No 'Hangman' (studio reharsal / acetate) - No 'The Night Comes Down' live from Marquee 1972 - No 'Mad The Swine' live from US Tour 1974 To me, these are the only real regrettable omissions in the grand scheme of things. But it simply may well be because the sound quality wasn't deemed good enough. And note that there is no proof that any version of Silver Salmon was recorded or even demoed before 1977. As per the 1970 tape, it could simply be a matter of them not being a great band yet - it was only their fourth gig, and they were no doubt rough around the edges. But even to hear two songs from it is a complete revelation. Anything they release from this period is going to effectively rewrite the history of the band, so no doubt they very carefully considered what they wanted to be out there for the world to hear. And surely they'll be two best songs from the tape, because they'll never release anything mediocre. |
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Post by manymilesaway on Sept 11, 2024 15:32:42 GMT
- No 'Hangman' (studio reharsal / acetate) - No 'The Night Comes Down' live from Marquee 1972 - No 'Mad The Swine' live from US Tour 1974 To me, these are the only real regrettable omissions in the grand scheme of things. But it simply may well be because the sound quality wasn't deemed good enough. I'm also PRETTY sure that the Marquee gigs' exclusion confirms for sure that they don't have recordings any of them. I feel like they would be the obvious choice to include with Queen I if they had them, considering how important those shows were to their early career. It'd also make more sense than Imperial College because the band would've been much tighter and actually include their beloved bass guitarist John. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 11, 2024 15:42:56 GMT
To me, these are the only real regrettable omissions in the grand scheme of things. But it simply may well be because the sound quality wasn't deemed good enough. I'm also PRETTY sure that the Marquee gigs' exclusion confirms for sure that they don't have recordings any of them. I feel like they would be the obvious choice to include with Queen I if they had them, considering how important those shows were to their early career. It'd also make more sense than Imperial College because the band would've been much tighter and actually include their beloved bass guitarist John. Very good points. Ages ago it was said the band bought a Marquee tape, but it may well be an amateur recording from the audience that they wouldn't even consider releasing. Not a word about it has been spoken since. And it could be the April 9, 1973 show for all we know. One thing's for certain - very little is known about Queen's early musical development, and in about six weeks this is going to drastically change. That live tape of Jesus predates their first demo by over a year. |
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Post by baronlutenvank on Sept 11, 2024 15:54:18 GMT
And I thought the March Rainbow concert was the earliest Queen recording that's gonna come out in public. Also, interesting that there's a live recording of Jesus, especially after remembering Barry saying they never performed it with him
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Post by JackG on Sept 11, 2024 16:00:47 GMT
And I thought the March Rainbow concert was the earliest Queen recording that's gonna come out in public. Also, interesting that there's a live recording of Jesus, especially after remembering Barry saying they never performed it with him Queen officially released a part of Golders Green on "On Air" in 2016, so September 1973 was their earliest live released, for now |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 11, 2024 16:01:31 GMT
And I thought the March Rainbow concert was the earliest Queen recording that's gonna come out in public. Also, interesting that there's a live recording of Jesus, especially after remembering Barry saying they never performed it with him Indeed. So either his memory is imperfect (which is of course understandable in such recollections decades later - I can barely tell you what I had for dinner last night), or this tape isn't properly labelled in the archives and it's actually from 7/18/70. After all, the press release does state that it was their first London gig - which would indeed make it July, which means it's Mike Grose on bass. The fact that neither bass player is mentioned may well mean they themselves don't know who's on the tape. Hopefully Barry will be able to tell us whether or not it's him playing. Mike is no longer with us, so Barry's input on this front may well be very valuable. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 11, 2024 16:03:18 GMT
Great to see this box set!
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Post by pokemaniacjunk on Sept 11, 2024 16:09:22 GMT
- No 'The Night Comes Down' live from Marquee 1972 Are you thinking of the King's College gig by chance? I don't recall hearing about "The Night Comes Down" being played at the Marquee, I could be wrong though. |
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Post by baronlutenvank on Sept 11, 2024 16:09:48 GMT
And I thought the March Rainbow concert was the earliest Queen recording that's gonna come out in public. Also, interesting that there's a live recording of Jesus, especially after remembering Barry saying they never performed it with him Queen officially released a part of Golders Green on "On Air" in 2016, so September 1973 was their earliest live released, for now Shoot, I forgot about that. Though to be fair, it was only available on the Deluxe edition, I couldn't even find it on Spotify except the Standard version. |
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Post by merplot on Sept 11, 2024 16:10:08 GMT
Freddie's vocals on TNCD are autotuned  It's specially clear to me on the 2:42 to 2:50 mark. Compare it with the original and you'll notice that the lines were a bit flat, and now it's pitch perfect. I like the new sound, but would have preferred if they didn't mess with the pitch, at least not on the original record, the demos are another story. I was afraid of this. I can't for the life of me figure out why they keep doing this. Star Fleet was pitch-corrected too, I was so disappointed. That said, this doesn't sound as heavy-handed here to me, nothing like what they did to the Rainbow stuff. |
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Post by baronlutenvank on Sept 11, 2024 16:14:58 GMT
And I thought the March Rainbow concert was the earliest Queen recording that's gonna come out in public. Also, interesting that there's a live recording of Jesus, especially after remembering Barry saying they never performed it with him Indeed. So either his memory is imperfect (which is of course understandable in such recollections decades later - I can barely tell you what I had for dinner last night), or this tape isn't properly labelled in the archives and it's actually from 7/18/70. After all, the press release does state that it was their first London gig - which would indeed make it July, which means it's Mike Grose on bass. The fact that neither bass player is mentioned may well mean they themselves don't know who's on the tape. Hopefully Barry will be able to tell us whether or not it's him playing. Mike is no longer with us, so Barry's input on this front may well be very valuable. Thing is the disc says it's from August 23. The press release even mentions Roger's handwritten invitation saying their "private showing" on an August 23 Sunday |
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Post by Steve on Sept 11, 2024 16:18:27 GMT
The Night Comes Down is out!!!! Ehh not sure I like these new drum sounds. Sounds like a computer I agree. Everything but the drums are perfect though! |
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Sept 11, 2024 16:24:01 GMT
This reminds me of the re-recorded version of Barcelona which wasn't very good. I really don't see the need to re-record classic albums. It may not be a popular view, and not to go off topic, but I love the re-recorded version of Barcelona. The real orchestra is an improvement, IMO. The real orchestra, absolutely. The arrangements, absolutely not. They made numerous absolutely unjustifiable and unnecessary changes to the part writing - I can only compare it to Rimsky-Korsakov's 'fixing' Borodin's harmonic 'errors' after the latter's death. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 11, 2024 16:24:36 GMT
Indeed. So either his memory is imperfect (which is of course understandable in such recollections decades later - I can barely tell you what I had for dinner last night), or this tape isn't properly labelled in the archives and it's actually from 7/18/70. After all, the press release does state that it was their first London gig - which would indeed make it July, which means it's Mike Grose on bass. The fact that neither bass player is mentioned may well mean they themselves don't know who's on the tape. Hopefully Barry will be able to tell us whether or not it's him playing. Mike is no longer with us, so Barry's input on this front may well be very valuable. Thing is the disc says it's from August 23. The press release even mentions Roger's handwritten invitation saying their "private showing" on an August 23 Sunday Fair enough. But we also haven't seen a photo of the tape or its box. The fact that the press release goes out of its way to state that 8/23/70 was their first London gig is puzzling, to say the least. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 11, 2024 16:28:15 GMT
It may not be a popular view, and not to go off topic, but I love the re-recorded version of Barcelona. The real orchestra is an improvement, IMO. The real orchestra, absolutely. The arrangements, absolutely not. They made numerous absolutely unjustifiable and unnecessary changes to the part writing - I can only compare it to Rimsky-Korsakov's 'fixing' Borodin's harmonic 'errors' after the latter's death. Or George Lucas redoing the original Star Wars films. |
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Post by davis_taylor.1984 on Sept 11, 2024 16:28:31 GMT
To me, these are the only real regrettable omissions in the grand scheme of things. But it simply may well be because the sound quality wasn't deemed good enough. I'm also PRETTY sure that the Marquee gigs' exclusion confirms for sure that they don't have recordings any of them. I feel like they would be the obvious choice to include with Queen I if they had them, considering how important those shows were to their early career. It'd also make more sense than Imperial College because the band would've been much tighter and actually include their beloved bass guitarist John. Or Maybe they just will release this stuff in the future. We always talk about boxsets but no one knows what in the next 10 or 20 years will be out. For me the exclusion of Marquee or any other stuff could be also a chance for selling a standalone live (Impossibile but I hope with sony). You have to think that for this boxset they invested energies (and money) to re-mix a complete disc, re-mix 5 songs from a session, put pieces of outtakes and try to fix em in a cd, photos, ideas for a book, searching and remastering tracks from a 1970 tape or 1976... Maybe they could have included Marquee (if they have it) but maybe it wasnt worth it (for them) or maybe too much cost (for them) or too much money for the fans then... We won't know. For me the live inclusion of Hangman means that the Acetate/studio version it doesn't exsist, or that they don't have a copy, or that the quality isn't good enough (sound or performance). This is my opinion |
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Post by pg on Sept 11, 2024 16:32:48 GMT
So on one hand, the absence of x means they don't have it.
On the other, Polar Bear which we KNOW exists, is still absent.
There may be an explanation, but we really can't have it both ways.
In the absence of an explicit explanation, the absence of anything is proof of nothing.
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Post by Cj on Sept 11, 2024 16:33:25 GMT
Does this say what I think it says...?  |
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Post by davis_taylor.1984 on Sept 11, 2024 16:37:41 GMT
So on one hand, the absence of x means they don't have it. On the other, Polar Bear which we KNOW exists, is still absent. There may be an explanation, but we really can't have it both ways. In the absence of an explicit explanation, the absence of anything is proof of nothing. My explanation for Polar Bear missing it could be a future reissue for the Smile EP. Imagine to do a Boxset like the Star Fleet Project. You would have the whole Gettin Smile remastered plus some other stuff including the Polar Bear with Freddie on vocals. Having Freddie in this (hypotetical) release would sell more copies just because of freddie... It would make sense |
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Sept 11, 2024 16:39:09 GMT
The real orchestra, absolutely. The arrangements, absolutely not. They made numerous absolutely unjustifiable and unnecessary changes to the part writing - I can only compare it to Rimsky-Korsakov's 'fixing' Borodin's harmonic 'errors' after the latter's death. Or George Lucas redoing the original Star Wars films. Good one, probably a better comparison! |
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Post by Brian's Wig on Sept 11, 2024 16:41:22 GMT
Not much use for those of us who don't do streaming. Get it on a bloody disc! |
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Post by manymilesaway on Sept 11, 2024 16:41:47 GMT
Ehh not sure I like these new drum sounds. Sounds like a computer I agree. Everything but the drums are perfect though! I restored the original 1973 snare, see how you like it. |
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Post by Dimitris on Sept 11, 2024 16:41:57 GMT
From what I heard , I didn't mind the autotune so much, just little wierd, but not annoyed, so far I like the sound.
I believe is going to be a very good boxset.
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Post by Dimitris on Sept 11, 2024 16:49:42 GMT
I agree. Everything but the drums are perfect though! I restored the original 1973 snare, see how you like it. I find for my taste the "original" snare on the 2024 mix little stuffing. While the new mix as the whole sound more atmospheric and "eire", something I like it too as I like the 1973. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 11, 2024 16:52:57 GMT
So on one hand, the absence of x means they don't have it. On the other, Polar Bear which we KNOW exists, is still absent. There may be an explanation, but we really can't have it both ways. In the absence of an explicit explanation, the absence of anything is proof of nothing. Correct. But re: Polar Bear - the existence of a stereo mix that came out ~20 years ago from a cassette does not mean the original 16-track tapes are in the archive. There's always the chance that old analog tapes are damaged or lost. |
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Post by Golden Salmon on Sept 11, 2024 17:01:34 GMT
Truly excited for the first time in years! Somehow, "The Miracle" box set didn't really do much for me since these releases are almost random and the outtakes were not as authentic as I would have liked. But this time, they're digging deep and bringing something back. I expect disc 3 to be another "sessions" thing again, but it's either this or nothing.
At this point, I guess we will never get to hear any non-live "Hangman" performance, but we've had the track in perfectly listenable quality for years, so it's OK. Same with "Polar Bear". Other than that, if they keep up with these releases, this is as close to the anthologies as it'll ever be, so I'll take what I can get. Yay!
Gotta wonder what will be next. The ANATO box set would be due next year and I don't think they'll skip the anniversary opportunity. Will we get QII and SHA at a latter date?
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Post by emrabt on Sept 11, 2024 17:15:25 GMT
The fact that The Miracle sessions disc was so good has made me excited for this. I hope they do a 2 disc version, I'm not sure I can justify £200+.
They have very carefully worded what the "sessions" disc is this time, "newly created takes built around.... With added spoken word sections" I wonder if the promotional team have taken note of it being slightly misleading before labeling them as original takes on The Miracle box set?
It's obvious another Frankenstein but I didn't mind that.
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Post by funinspace81 on Sept 11, 2024 17:17:20 GMT
Truly excited for the first time in years! Somehow, "The Miracle" box set didn't really do much for me since these releases are almost random and the outtakes were not as authentic as I would have liked. But this time, they're digging deep and bringing something back. I expect disc 3 to be another "sessions" thing again, but it's either this or nothing. At this point, I guess we will never get to hear any non-live "Hangman" performance, but we've had the track in perfectly listenable quality for years, so it's OK. Same with "Polar Bear". Other than that, if they keep up with these releases, this is as close to the anthologies as it'll ever be, so I'll take what I can get. Yay! Gotta wonder what will be next. The ANATO box set would be due next year and I don't think they'll skip the anniversary opportunity. Will we get QII and SHA at a latter date? Next year we'll likelt get ANATO 50th and hopefully MIH 30th as well ("Am I dreaming?"). And as for 2026, Innuendo 35th alone would make it for me, already. |
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Post by pg on Sept 11, 2024 17:22:28 GMT
Initial thoughts 1. The existence of a Queen 1 box is a very pleasant surprise. NOTW - The Miracle - Queen I, a sequence nobody would have bet on!! 2. So. Much. Recycling. TNCD is surely the same on disc 1 and disc 2. All the BBC stuff is on its third release, all the Rainbow stuff for the second time (and without sequencing when it's only the first album tracks). I respect that others like having instrumentals, but to me they are unwelcome, via the principle of "less Freddie = bad". 3. Any tracks from 1970 are very welcome. 4. The lack of a Blu Ray with videos and a surround mix is disappointing, especially if there IS a surround mix. I acknowledge that there isn't MUCH video (there isn't much De Lane Lea, but it still gets a whole disc....) 5. Is San Diego an audience tape? 6. 100 pages of book should be good. 7. Merchandise is shit as usual. Some t shirts, a sweatshirt and a water bottle. 8. If DLL is NOW remixed from the original tape, and that wasn't the case in 2011 when they were first bonus tracks.... the tape must have been found. Greg Brooks has found a tape!!!! 9. HOW MUCH?  Oh, just fuck off. £500m from Sony and we're still getting milked? £20 per disc, half of which are pure re-releases anyway.... I do understand that mixing takes technical expertise and those experts aren't expected to work for free, but that's still a fucking shitload of cash. 10. STOP forcing us to buy vinyl! Does the environment not matter, Brian? |
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Post by pg on Sept 11, 2024 17:26:37 GMT
My explanation for Polar Bear missing it could be a future reissue for the Smile EP. Imagine to do a Boxset like the Star Fleet Project. You would have the whole Gettin Smile remastered plus some other stuff including the Polar Bear with Freddie on vocals. Having Freddie in this (hypotetical) release would sell more copies just because of freddie... It would make sense Actually, this is the place for the Smile tracks, surely? Bulk out the De Lane Lea disc with the Smile tracks, add the Freddie Polar Bear, the 1970 tracks and you have "becoming Queen".... |
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It's specially clear to me on the 2:42 to 2:50 mark. Compare it with the original and you'll notice that the lines were a bit flat, and now it's pitch perfect. I like the new sound, but would have preferred if they didn't mess with the pitch, at least not on the original record, the demos are another story.
Oh, just fuck off. £500m from Sony and we're still getting milked? £20 per disc, half of which are pure re-releases anyway.... I do understand that mixing takes technical expertise and those experts aren't expected to work for free, but that's still a fucking shitload of cash.