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Post by A dude on Oct 18, 2024 13:10:47 GMT
New video uploaded on their yt channel
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Post by davis_taylor.1984 on Oct 18, 2024 13:40:05 GMT
New video uploaded on their yt channel Do you guys think the De Lane Lea demos played in the video are the remixed ones? They sound amazing wow!!! |
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Post by cmi on Oct 18, 2024 14:20:35 GMT
Of course they are newly mixed. And I hear that TNCD from De Lane Lea CD has more natural sounding drums than on the 2024 album mix.
And finally we know the recording dates for each De Lane Lea track!
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Post by mikusguitarius on Oct 18, 2024 15:33:48 GMT
Can’t remember where I read it but one of the outtakes has a quote like… “you fucked that up Brian!”
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Post by JackG on Oct 18, 2024 15:46:11 GMT
New video uploaded on their yt channel The demos sound so good! |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 18, 2024 16:01:36 GMT
New video uploaded on their yt channel That's about the most interesting of these 'The Greatest' videos I've seen. Looking forward to part 2. 🙂 |
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Post by august on Oct 18, 2024 16:28:10 GMT
The De Lane Lea demos sound so great!!! I'm hearing lots of new things in those snippets. This box is going to be so much fun! But what's that base John's playing around 2:13? Never seen that one before, I think...
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Post by dave76 on Oct 18, 2024 16:46:43 GMT
I'm not a fan of this "The Greatest" crap series with loads and loads of rehashing the same stuff but this one was quite fascinating and then to hear snippets of the De Lane Lea demo's, goddamn, they sound so good. I don't say this often about a Queen release but i'm really looking forward to this boxset.
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Post by creepy on Oct 18, 2024 16:54:45 GMT
It would have been great if the box had included a DVD with this YouTube documentary, along with the video clips. A pity.
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 18, 2024 17:02:31 GMT
It would have been great if the box had included a DVD with this YouTube documentary, along with the video clips. A pity. looks like this is the first box set from Queen where is no DVD:BluRay |
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Post by mikusguitarius on Oct 18, 2024 17:07:21 GMT
I’m hoping (presuming) that the Keep Yourself Alive and Liar videos will appear on YouTube… restored/remastered and upscaled to HD. Hopefully in original 50 fps too.
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Post by lyricweaver on Oct 18, 2024 17:38:24 GMT
New video uploaded on their yt channel The demos sound so good! I'm so jazzed about this, too. I can't imagine what it was like for the guys, to have these nice demos and start pitching them. They must have been on cloud nine, feeling it all starting. |
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Post by grumzy on Oct 18, 2024 18:00:30 GMT
It would have been great if the box had included a DVD with this YouTube documentary, along with the video clips. A pity. looks like this is the first box set from Queen where is no DVD:BluRay Given they havent put a blu ray in the box, I'd be ok with them releasing a separate Blu Ray with the Atmos mix, and throw in the remastered HD videos too. I've bought 10 Blu Ray audios so far, plus a bunch of 5.1 and/or Atmos mixes included in box sets and generally I've found them worth the investment even though I don't have an Atmos set up. I have a pretty good 5.1 and a good 5.1 mix or folded down Atmos mix can sound really good on it. The Tubular Bells Blu ray is fantastic. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 18, 2024 18:13:11 GMT
I highly doubt it has anything to do with royalties. I'd say it's the sound quality - it gets very distorted in the middle of the song, as the tape gets overloaded for some reason. It's still listenable for us, but not by official release standards. No way that's the case. Kurgan shared his copy of the master for SWAFIB on his YouTube channel and it sounds just as good as the other songs. The carrot dangler himself strikes again. Maybe the distortion on the existing copies is a watermark from somewhere down the line ? |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 18, 2024 18:20:01 GMT
Greg Brooks posted the list of what's in the archive on multi-track on QZ ages ago, and no doubt he was telling the truth. There is an extremely low probability that they 24-track recorded anything else 1974 or prior besides Rainbow. We may not have known the specifics of what songs they played at the March gig, but that's not the question he was responding to at the time  Was November Rainbow even done on 24 track? March Rainbow was done on 16 track, and surely recording live is definitely, to a degree, bit more subpar than taping in a studio. Good question. It all depends on what kind of recording truck was available for them. 1973/74 saw the transition from 16 to 24 track, and as these kinds of progressions were happening so quickly, it took different companies varying amounts of time to catch up, mainly due to cost. As for live vs. studio - it all depends on how good your guys were at placing the mics. That really is everything. There are some incredibly good-sounding live albums from the 1970s. Frampton Comes Alive first comes to mind. Peter has told the story about how they were mixing the album, and simply pushed up all 24 faders, and everyone was blown away at how good it sounded. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 18, 2024 18:21:52 GMT
It's because that was around the time that Brian realized he subconsciously based SWAFIB on a riff from another song. Once he did, that artist got a writing credit for SWAFIB. The artist never got a writing credit and probably never will. Brian just quietly faded that matter out  That's more than a bit disingenuous. Brian was very public about his intent to track down the copyright owner and ensure they were paid, which can only hopefully mean both parties came to an agreement about the credit. www.queenvault.com/infoseewhatafool.htmlSeriously, why are you posting on a Queen forum if you just want to smear Queen's members without having been at these kinds of meetings to be privy of what's in the paperwork ? Read up about what Ozzy Osbourne did to Jake E Lee or Ritchie Blackmore's treatment of David Stone if you want to know actual examples of someone being screwed out of songwriting royalties. |
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Post by Chinwonder2 on Oct 18, 2024 18:30:13 GMT
The artist never got a writing credit and probably never will. Brian just quietly faded that matter out That's more than a bit disingenuous. Brian was very public about his intent to track down the copyright owner and ensure they were paid, which can only hopefully mean both parties came to an agreement about the credit. www.queenvault.com/infoseewhatafool.htmlSeriously, why are you posting on a Queen forum if you just want to smear Queen's members without having been at these kinds of meetings to be privy of what's in the paperwork ? Further proof of Brian remembering the inspiration, from the 2011 Queen II deluxe CD.  |
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Post by masterstroke on Oct 18, 2024 18:52:00 GMT
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 18, 2024 19:35:52 GMT
The De Lane Lea demos sound so great!!! I'm hearing lots of new things in those snippets. This box is going to be so much fun! But what's that base John's playing around 2:13? Never seen that one before, I think... That's a Rickenbacker !  |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 18, 2024 19:44:04 GMT
That's more than a bit disingenuous. Brian was very public about his intent to track down the copyright owner and ensure they were paid, which can only hopefully mean both parties came to an agreement about the credit. www.queenvault.com/infoseewhatafool.htmlSeriously, why are you posting on a Queen forum if you just want to smear Queen's members without having been at these kinds of meetings to be privy of what's in the paperwork ? Further proof of Brian remembering the inspiration, from the 2011 Queen II deluxe CD. That's some seriously great guitar playing. He balances unaccompanied lead with rhythm perfectly, and goes well beyond the usual blues clichés. |
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Post by thesirhc on Oct 18, 2024 20:35:08 GMT
![]() I think I see it now on the bottom right corner, Its quite easy to miss. Thanks! I see it now. I was talking about the the sticker on the upper corner. Yay! Glad we got there. Go teamwork! |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 18, 2024 20:46:23 GMT
The images of the tapes, with the dates:    EDIT: this is corrected three posts below. This is a monumental discovery ! This finally gives us some answers for the recording dates. It's fascinating the backing tracks are comps, because they would eventually get to a point where they recorded dozens of takes to get the perfect one - for example, we've heard the beds of Good Company (uke/bass/drums) where there are definitely no edits. But in 1971 they were clearly pressed for time, with this favour being done for them, and they made the best of what little time they had.
What does the "B/D" stand for ? And "R/S" on the Liar tape (or does that say "F/S") ?
Also - let's revisit this letter John Deacon sent to his sister on September 1, 1971, where he mentions that "last week" they were testing the equipment, which was in August. We can only wonder why there was another test session over three months later before they started recording for real. Or maybe August was when The Night Comes Down was done ? That's the one song not mentioned on the three boxes we've seen.
 
As ever, this leaves us with more questions than answers. But that's why we love doing this so much - the thrill of the search. |
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Post by creepy on Oct 18, 2024 21:36:19 GMT
A true archaeological treasure. Thanks, Masterstroke.
By the way, how did that letter from John get leaked? :-]
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Post by pennyroyalty on Oct 18, 2024 22:31:55 GMT
It's fascinating the backing tracks are comps, because they would eventually get to a point where they recorded dozens of takes to get the perfect one - for example, we've heard the beds of Good Company (uke/bass/drums) where there are definitely no edits. But in 1971 they were clearly pressed for time, with this favour being done for them, and they made the best of what little time they had.
What does the "B/D" stand for ? And "R/S" on the Liar tape (or does that say "F/S") ?
According to Gearspace: COMP = complete take BD = breakdown (i.e. incomplete take) FS = false start This is said to apply to American tapes, but I suppose British usage may be/have been similar. John Eargle's 2002 Handbook of Recording Engineering (4th edition), on page 288, corroborates the story with reference to BD and FS, and I'd say indirectly for COMP as well, since he's talking about tape logging conventions: "Identification of take as a complete take, false start (FS), breakdown (BD), or any other abbreviations the producer and engineer wish to use." |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 18, 2024 23:28:18 GMT
It's fascinating the backing tracks are comps, because they would eventually get to a point where they recorded dozens of takes to get the perfect one - for example, we've heard the beds of Good Company (uke/bass/drums) where there are definitely no edits. But in 1971 they were clearly pressed for time, with this favour being done for them, and they made the best of what little time they had.
What does the "B/D" stand for ? And "R/S" on the Liar tape (or does that say "F/S") ?
According to Gearspace: COMP = complete take BD = breakdown (i.e. incomplete take) FS = false start This is said to apply to American tapes, but I suppose British usage may be/have been similar. John Eargle's 2002 Handbook of Recording Engineering (4th edition), on page 288, corroborates the story with reference to BD and FS, and I'd say indirectly for COMP as well, since he's talking about tape logging conventions: "Identification of take as a complete take, false start (FS), breakdown (BD), or any other abbreviations the producer and engineer wish to use." Beauty - thanks for clarifying. This helps make things make a lot more sense. So then allow me to revise my previous post... final versions: Keep Yourself Alive - take 4, December 10, 1971 The Night Comes Down - unknown Great King Rat - unknown Jesus - take 2, December 16, 1971 Liar - take 5, December 28, 1971 box set outtakes: Great King Rat - take 1, unknown The Night Comes Down - takes 1 and 2, unknown Jesus - take 2, December 16, 1971 See What A Fool I’ve Been - test session, December 10, 1971 This means the two tape boxes with take 2 of Jesus (the final take we've heard) are different versions - just the bed tracks with a guide vocal, and then that same take with the final vocal and overdubs. And we're going to hear the former on the box set for the first time. It's actually mighty impressive that they were able to nail this only by the second take, which goes to show how hard they'd been rehearsing. Brian and Roger had been playing together for years, so full credit to John Deacon for assimilating into the fold that quickly. And now this makes me wonder what happened at the session in late August that Deacon wrote about. First the complete revelation about the 8/23/70 show, and now this. What an amazing time this is to be a connoisseur of Queen. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 18, 2024 23:29:24 GMT
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Post by rub3945 on Oct 19, 2024 5:14:00 GMT
I'm incredibly pleased the De Lane Lea CD has a different mix for TNCD! Sounds much better in my opinion. Nice to have the option of choosing. My hopes for the box weren't super high at first, but this has restored my excitement considerably!
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Post by manymilesaway on Oct 19, 2024 6:09:38 GMT
New video uploaded on their yt channel What moron is running this YouTube channel?? All of the previews for the De Lane Lea remixes are in MONO here. You're doing promotion MUSIC for a BAND. I cannot believe a mistake as huge as setting the promotional audio to mono has happened THREE times. The promotional video for Rock Montreal 2024 was in mono as well. When Modern Times Rock 'N' Roll's new mix got leaked by accident (lmao) it was mono too. Not to mention the YouTube channel keeps using bootlegs and old mixes for its live uploads. ... or getting something as simple as the names of songs completely wrong.  And WHAT? I did not know it was 2029. 
Queen Productions needs to get its shit together and start running a tighter ship. there's so many more mistakes that I haven't pointed out here. The other stuff is mostly unimportant, but combine that with this QTG blunder? This is the DEBUT sample for this remix, maybe the most important part of the whole video. Is there no quality control at all? |
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Post by snakecharmer on Oct 19, 2024 12:09:43 GMT
I have been away from these pages for a couple of weeks due to a Hospital stay, I found it quite amusing when Brian was unboxing the Queen 1 box set , as he took the plastic wrapping off he said that he will keep that to use later on. What do you think he was going to use it for and please tell me if you keep your plastic wrapping and what do you do with it ? I also had a quick look at my Queen collection and I have Queen or Queen 1 as it is now called twice on vinyl , 5 times on CD and twice on Cassette . How many copies have you guys already got ? I have just ordered the single disc version of the 2024 release due to being low on cash. Just listening to the three 40 year box sets this weekend. Hope your all well and having a good weekend.
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Post by cmi on Oct 19, 2024 12:42:32 GMT
Brian talked about hype sticker on the top right corner of the plastic wrapping. Not about the plastic wrapping itself.
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