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Post by airpodsmax on Sept 14, 2024 16:51:25 GMT
As for my two cents into this release, I'm so unbelievably happy with this. Imperial College 1970, an official release of Hangman (despite it being live), and all of the other live goodies make up for the absolute dogshit AI video. If QPL does a boxset for Queen 2, I hope that boxset will be just as good (if not better) than Queen 1. I can't help but agree. I really want to hear Mad The Swine, in the form in which the authors intended it, although my heart feels that it will hardly contain the authors' intention. As for Hangman, it's a shame that it's a live version, but that's not so bad either.
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Post by airpodsmax on Sept 14, 2024 16:53:49 GMT
Since we didn't get to listen to the version of this track in the form in which the authors intended it, it's still interesting in what form it will be released now. At the moment, we know this track since 1991. And there hasn't been a single attempt since that year to somehow fix it.
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Post by disco_mart on Sept 14, 2024 17:04:13 GMT
EDIT: Finally got the picture. This summarizes the whole video for those who haven't watched it.
This looks like the mess I leave in the toilet the morning after a big night out topped off with a dodgy vindaloo curry before bed.
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Post by mattzarella on Sept 14, 2024 17:08:09 GMT
Wow. Bizarre. So many of these have pretty much been a.i. fileted into almost entirely different photos? (Roger's dark light contrast photo looks completely different) others repositioned
I'm still a bit freaked out by the "video". Are they using original elements or just dropping in drum samples etc on this recording? John's work sounded like John but I can't do painstaking work to signify whether it is or isn't.
What a strange prospect for music
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Sept 14, 2024 17:20:43 GMT
As for my two cents into this release, I'm so unbelievably happy with this. Imperial College 1970, an official release of Hangman (despite it being live), and all of the other live goodies make up for the absolute dogshit AI video. If QPL does a boxset for Queen 2, I hope that boxset will be just as good (if not better) than Queen 1. I can't help but agree. I really want to hear Mad The Swine, in the form in which the authors intended it, although my heart feels that it will hardly contain the authors' intention. As for Hangman, it's a shame that it's a live version, but that's not so bad either. I think we need to seriously consider the possibility that no studio recording of Hangman exists, or has ever existed. I know JSS claimed to have an acetate of it, but that claim exists in a void: Roger and Brian don't remember recording it, it doesn't show up on any studio track sheet, no umpteenth generation recording ever circulated among even the most fanatical collectors.
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Post by lefthandedguitarist on Sept 14, 2024 17:38:50 GMT
It just clicked with me that the 1970 live tracks will be with one of the bassists before John, right? That's pretty amazing!
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Sept 14, 2024 18:39:08 GMT
I can't help but agree. I really want to hear Mad The Swine, in the form in which the authors intended it, although my heart feels that it will hardly contain the authors' intention. As for Hangman, it's a shame that it's a live version, but that's not so bad either. I think we need to seriously consider the possibility that no studio recording of Hangman exists, or has ever existed. I know JSS claimed to have an acetate of it, but that claim exists in a void: Roger and Brian don't remember recording it, it doesn't show up on any studio track sheet, no umpteenth generation recording ever circulated among even the most fanatical collectors. There was one video a few years back on YouTube when a fan asked Brian about a recording of Hangman after a show and he responded with: "It might not be that great". This is something entirely else than saying "Sorry folks, we have never recorded it". Maybe the band was never satisfied with the final track? What is also interesting is that we are not getting any takes or demos of that song, only a live recording, so it's not possible to confirm or deny whether the song got any studio treatment at all back in the 1970s.
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Post by saintjiub on Sept 14, 2024 19:31:56 GMT
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Post by saintjiub on Sept 14, 2024 19:38:00 GMT
I can't help but agree. I really want to hear Mad The Swine, in the form in which the authors intended it, although my heart feels that it will hardly contain the authors' intention. As for Hangman, it's a shame that it's a live version, but that's not so bad either. I think we need to seriously consider the possibility that no studio recording of Hangman exists, or has ever existed. I know JSS claimed to have an acetate of it, but that claim exists in a void: Roger and Brian don't remember recording it, it doesn't show up on any studio track sheet, no umpteenth generation recording ever circulated among even the most fanatical collectors. Maybe the early version "sucks", or maybe has racist lyrics, or may be a significantly different better version live several years later. No matter, we will have an official live version in the coming weeks.
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Post by snakecharmer on Sept 14, 2024 20:01:44 GMT
Can somebody please answer this , Brian is as we all know perfectionist he won't let anything that is sub standard from the vaults of Queen material be released. So how come Brian & Roger give this terrible video for The Night Comes Down the green light ? Are they proud & happy with the finished video ? Were they trying to save some money perhaps ? It seems very strange for one of the biggest bands ever to release something that you would expect from a new band who have no money behind them to make a really good promo video.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 14, 2024 20:09:03 GMT
Maybe this is a USA only thing ? That search result isn't showing up on my end.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 14, 2024 20:17:51 GMT
Maybe this is a USA only thing ? That search result isn't showing up on my end. The link goes to Amazon UK for me. It doesn't seem to be listed at all on the Amazon US (.com) site.
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Post by saintjiub on Sept 14, 2024 20:53:26 GMT
Maybe this is a USA only thing ? That search result isn't showing up on my end. The link goes to Amazon UK for me. It doesn't seem to be listed at all on the Amazon US (.com) site. The original link I gave worked for me ... but it was from looking up my own purchase on my Amazon account. Perhaps this direct link from Amazon.com - a "queen i collector mp3" search on Amazon.com will work? www.amazon.com/dp/B0DGPQVLB6"https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DGPQVLB6" Hopefully it is not a US only thing ...
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Post by cmi on Sept 14, 2024 20:55:32 GMT
Can somebody please answer this , Brian is as we all know perfectionist he won't let anything that is sub standard from the vaults of Queen material be released. So how come Brian & Roger give this terrible video for The Night Comes Down the green light ? Are they proud & happy with the finished video ? Were they trying to save some money perhaps ? It seems very strange for one of the biggest bands ever to release something that you would expect from a new band who have no money behind them to make a really good promo video. The answer is simple: They just don't care. Just another PR tool, no more or less. I'm sure, they don't care about the remix as well... They are too old to care about the sound of 50-year old music they produced.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 14, 2024 21:10:56 GMT
Maybe this is a USA only thing ? That search result isn't showing up on my end. just pre-ordered from Amazon UK
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Post by merplot on Sept 14, 2024 23:37:13 GMT
Looks to me like the back cover was done from scratch, and quite a few of the photos benefit massively 👌 Didn't Brian say in Queen in 3D that the original collage is lost? He must've had copies of a lot of the photos tho in order to recreate it.
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Post by merplot on Sept 14, 2024 23:53:43 GMT
Can somebody please answer this , Brian is as we all know perfectionist he won't let anything that is sub standard from the vaults of Queen material be released. So how come Brian & Roger give this terrible video for The Night Comes Down the green light ? Are they proud & happy with the finished video ? Were they trying to save some money perhaps ? It seems very strange for one of the biggest bands ever to release something that you would expect from a new band who have no money behind them to make a really good promo video. The answer is simple: They just don't care. Just another PR tool, no more or less. I'm sure, they don't care about the sound of the remix as well... They are too old to care about the sound of 50-year old music they produced. This is a terrible comment. Think rationally about this-- they are both men in their mid-70s. Brian has just suffered a relatively serious health issue and sounds weaker than I've ever heard him sound. They're both still active and involved with their band, with both of them but especially Brian being involved in a lot of different projects other than music as well, being pulled every-which-way, and we don't even know what issues they may be facing in their private lives, not to mention wanting to spend time with family while they still can. As someone else here mentioned, this video went thru a million different levels of approval before finally getting to them. They're probably beholden to legal deadlines etc that we don't even know about. I'm sure that perfecting a video that really, all things considered, won't have much impact on anything is not the highest thing on their priority list. Could it have been better? Yeah absolutely, I think so. Is it a big deal? No. If you don't like they way they did something or didn't do something, fine. I'm personally not happy about the use of pitch correction. But anyone who has been following this band and thinks that they "dont care" about the music they put their heart and soul into as kids really has no idea what this band is about. If they didn't care about the sound of the remix as well, it wouldnt have even gone thru remixing. Really, guys.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 15, 2024 1:19:24 GMT
As someone else here mentioned, this video went thru a million different levels of approval before finally getting to them. They're probably beholden to legal deadlines etc that we don't even know about. 100% this. Anyone who has created anything that's released out into the world knows there are so many things beyond their control, and sometimes time just runs out and the thing needs to be delivered.
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Post by saintjiub on Sept 15, 2024 1:45:22 GMT
As someone else here mentioned, this video went thru a million different levels of approval before finally getting to them. They're probably beholden to legal deadlines etc that we don't even know about. 100% this. Anyone who has created anything that's released out into the world knows there are so many things beyond their control, and sometimes time just runs out and the thing needs to be delivered. I thought I read somewhere on this site that Brian said that the video was completed the day before Sept 11th
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Post by merplot on Sept 15, 2024 1:53:56 GMT
100% this. Anyone who has created anything that's released out into the world knows there are so many things beyond their control, and sometimes time just runs out and the thing needs to be delivered. I thought I read somewhere on this site that Brian said that the video was completed the day before Sept 11th Right, which means it was being worked on up til the wire and they ran out of time. I think Brian even said something to the effect of "They tell me it'll be up today at 2PM", which gave me the impression that he wasn't deeply involved in it, altho I'm sure they had to sign off on it. Which brings me back to my original point of I'm sure this wasnt the most important creative project they've ever worked on, and it shows. It doesn't mean they "don't care" at all anymore.
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Post by 85guild on Sept 15, 2024 2:36:26 GMT
To the man on the street, Queen is now Brian, Roger and John. John is out of the picture for 20 years, Roger is less involved so Brian is the face of Queen. For long time followers of the band, the quotes about their fights about what got into songs or albums were legendary. Brian one said something along the lines of "we don't know if little Mary from somewhere will hear the fifth harmony line at ten o'clock in the left headphone but we will" for the reason they did things to the level they did. This video is the aural equivalent of out of tune, out of time and no interest in the sound. If he's part of the project and saw that and was good with the video, Brian doesn't care, no shame in that but it is the truth. That is a calamity.
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Post by saintjiub on Sept 15, 2024 2:53:25 GMT
It is just a silly forgettable promo video ... The sound quality of the song is what matters. Would it have helped increase Queen I sales to delay the video a week to improve it? Does it matter?
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Post by peacelovingguy on Sept 15, 2024 5:15:02 GMT
The production team clearly bit off more than they could chew with the video. Its concept was perfectly sound but they obviously didn’t give themselves enough time to do it justice.
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Post by cmi on Sept 15, 2024 8:01:08 GMT
Looks to me like the back cover was done from scratch, and quite a few of the photos benefit massively 👌 Didn't Brian say in Queen in 3D that the original collage is lost? He must've had copies of a lot of the photos tho in order to recreate it. Here's a comment about this artwork from Brian's soapbox as well: brianmay.com/brians-soapbox/2009/10/the-little-drummer-boy-in-3-d/
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Post by cmi on Sept 15, 2024 8:06:42 GMT
The answer is simple: They just don't care. Just another PR tool, no more or less. I'm sure, they don't care about the sound of the remix as well... They are too old to care about the sound of 50-year old music they produced. This is a terrible comment. Think rationally about this-- they are both men in their mid-70s. Brian has just suffered a relatively serious health issue and sounds weaker than I've ever heard him sound. They're both still active and involved with their band, with both of them but especially Brian being involved in a lot of different projects other than music as well, being pulled every-which-way, and we don't even know what issues they may be facing in their private lives, not to mention wanting to spend time with family while they still can. As someone else here mentioned, this video went thru a million different levels of approval before finally getting to them. They're probably beholden to legal deadlines etc that we don't even know about. I'm sure that perfecting a video that really, all things considered, won't have much impact on anything is not the highest thing on their priority list. Could it have been better? Yeah absolutely, I think so. Is it a big deal? No. If you don't like they way they did something or didn't do something, fine. I'm personally not happy about the use of pitch correction. But anyone who has been following this band and thinks that they "dont care" about the music they put their heart and soul into as kids really has no idea what this band is about. If they didn't care about the sound of the remix as well, it wouldnt have even gone thru remixing. Really, guys. That's what I meant in my comment. Nowadays they care about their health, families and other human worries... I don't believe Roger or Brian sat behind the desk with JSS, JJM and KS trying to find THAT drum or guitar sound...
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Post by alexlizzy on Sept 15, 2024 11:32:17 GMT
As someone else here mentioned, this video went thru a million different levels of approval before finally getting to them. They're probably beholden to legal deadlines etc that we don't even know about. 100% this. Anyone who has created anything that's released out into the world knows there are so many things beyond their control, and sometimes time just runs out and the thing needs to be delivered. That's not really an excuse to deliver subpar product. Its just a statement of the fact that they f**cked up the deadlines and the project had poor management. Which absolutely does not somehow should now save them from well-deserved critique. Shit dont NEED to be delivered. There is no law of physics that absolutely forces one to release a subpar product. It's still always a choice that people made and they could always make another choice. Again, that means that we can freely criticise that choice, even in harsh words, if deserved. And this time, it's clearly deserved.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Sept 15, 2024 12:30:31 GMT
100% this. Anyone who has created anything that's released out into the world knows there are so many things beyond their control, and sometimes time just runs out and the thing needs to be delivered. That's not really an excuse to deliver subpar product. Its just a statement of the fact that they f**cked up the deadlines and the project had poor management. Which absolutely does not somehow should now save them from well-deserved critique. Shit dont NEED to be delivered. There is no law of physics that absolutely forces one to release a subpar product. It's still always a choice that people made and they could always make another choice. Again, that means that we can freely criticise that choice, even in harsh words, if deserved. And this time, it's clearly deserved. A Night At The Odeon was a rather lazy and sub-par product. This is a very good product that is held back from being exceptional by minor flaws. I think you need to develop a sense of perspective: there are legitimate criticisms to be made - forcing people to get the vinyl if they want the box, the video that has obvious technical issues and looks rushed and already dated, the over-reliance on Rainbow for the live disc, only 2 tracks from the earliest show - there are some open questions (tracks that might be duplicated, we don't yet know, what did they do with the De Lane Lea disc that justifies getting it over the previous version on the Queen 2cd reissue, autotune and restoration issues that may be debatable), but overall, this box has more new stuff than anyone could have reasonably hoped for a year ago. My only real issue is the price, which in absolute terms is very high. So I'll get the download and the 2cd for a very reasonable price instead, and will have precious little to complain about.
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Post by snakecharmer on Sept 15, 2024 12:48:55 GMT
I think I will hopefully get the two disc edition as I can't afford £150 at this time & I don't have a record player so the vinyl in the box set is not worth having just to look at. I think Brian & Roger of course still care about their products that they put out for us . I wonder if John was consulted about the video for TNCD & the Box set ?
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Post by readyeddie on Sept 15, 2024 12:58:58 GMT
Does anyone noticed that designers digitally re-compiled the whole backsleeve collage from original photos? 1973 vs 2024Well spotted. That’s an amazing effort on their part. They've used a different take of the circular photo of Brian, a very very subtle difference but it's there ! Maybe the original was damaged in Brian's flood?
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Post by donovan on Sept 15, 2024 13:15:57 GMT
Roger is the key giveaway - one of the wallpaper elements just to the left of his hair part are cropped out in (what I assume is) the newly assembled collage.
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