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Post by pg on Sept 15, 2024 13:56:57 GMT
Roger is the key giveaway - one of the wallpaper elements just to the left of his hair part are cropped out in (what I assume is) the newly assembled collage. Isn't the change in size of the lefthand of the two Brian penguin pics at the top a good indicator too? |
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Post by vh on Sept 15, 2024 14:31:36 GMT
I can't help but agree. I really want to hear Mad The Swine, in the form in which the authors intended it, although my heart feels that it will hardly contain the authors' intention. As for Hangman, it's a shame that it's a live version, but that's not so bad either. I think we need to seriously consider the possibility that no studio recording of Hangman exists, or has ever existed. I know JSS claimed to have an acetate of it, but that claim exists in a void: Roger and Brian don't remember recording it, it doesn't show up on any studio track sheet, no umpteenth generation recording ever circulated among even the most fanatical collectors. I’m not entirely convinced that it was never recorded. It’s history as a live song started in 1970 and lasted until the mid 70’s. There is no record of any other original Queen song being played live that hadn’t been recorded and released. If the band thought it good enough to make appearances in the setlist surly they would have recorded it even as a rough demo. I’m sorry but I’ve never believed that there was an acetate of the song. These would normally be in full LP form or for individual singles releases. Why would it be available if it wasn’t about to be released as a single. I believe that they may have recorded it around the time of the first album sessions then resurrected it for Queen II but shelved it for good. Neither Brian or Roger have outright claimed it doesn’t exist, Roger was vague saying they may have started it. And Brian some years ago said it’s unlikely to be in usable condition, or words to that effect. |
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Post by airpodsmax on Sept 15, 2024 15:03:55 GMT
I'm glad they didn't continue releasing the box sets of the late 80s, but decided to release a box set of the album when they were young and their creative path was just beginning.Although it seems to me that they have chronological disorder. I was sure that they would release a box set of the album The Works, but I'm glad that it didn't happen, until better times. Yes, I understand that starting with the album Jazz, The Game and further they had a lot of material not released in albums, but we don't know, maybe at the beginning of their creative path there are also a lot of unknown songs, and they are waiting for their time. As for The Night Comes Down, it may be the fault of the streaming services, but it seemed to me that at the beginning of the vocals, if you listen closely, you can hear a characteristic crackle as if the material was taken from vinyl (I mean the effect of vinyl when dust gets under the needle).
Overall, this song sounds more alive than on the 1973 release and numerous remasters. It's a shame that the next single won't be Mad The Swine, but something else.I'm just interested to hear what form it will be released in.I would have written that the video clip spoiled the impression of the single, but no, it didn't work out. The impressions of the video clip are twofold.I'm glad of course that Hangman got a release, albeit in a live version. I don't think there was any difference in the lyrics.
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Post by chowder on Sept 15, 2024 15:40:11 GMT
I’m sorry but I’ve never believed that there was an acetate of the song. These would normally be in full LP form or for individual singles releases. Why would it be available if it wasn’t about to be released as a single. Acetates were normally created to either check the quality of an upcoming release, or to use it as a cheap reference disc so ie the artist can check the recording at a later point in time or outside the studio. There are plenty of acetates in the world by other artists which feature outtakes or alternate takes. It wasn't a requirement that the song had to be on an album or single. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 15, 2024 16:16:22 GMT
There are so many gems on Brian's soapbox like this. Thanks for the reminder. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 15, 2024 16:25:32 GMT
100% this. Anyone who has created anything that's released out into the world knows there are so many things beyond their control, and sometimes time just runs out and the thing needs to be delivered. That's not really an excuse to deliver subpar product. Its just a statement of the fact that they f**cked up the deadlines and the project had poor management. Which absolutely does not somehow should now save them from well-deserved critique. Shit dont NEED to be delivered. There is no law of physics that absolutely forces one to release a subpar product. It's still always a choice that people made and they could always make another choice. Again, that means that we can freely criticise that choice, even in harsh words, if deserved. And this time, it's clearly deserved. It's not an excuse as much as it's a reality - these kinds of projects often have too many cooks in the kitchen, and things can get caught up in bureaucracy and communication back and forth between too many parties. And indeed, people have the right to air their grievances about the final result as they may. But they often don't know what goes on behind the scenes to make these kinds of things happen (or not happen, or barely happen). Rarely are things perfect, where large groups of people have a singular vision and execute it. It isn't like a space mission where everyone absolutely must be on the same page to make a thing happen in a mathematically precise way, where one minor deviation from the plan will result in utter catastrophe. This is art, and people are going to have varying opinions which will create hang-ups of one kind or another. It's just how life works most of the time. |
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Post by emrabt on Sept 15, 2024 16:28:55 GMT
They've used a different take of the circular photo of Brian, a very very subtle difference but it's there ! Maybe the original was damaged in Brian's flood? I'm now wondering if some of these were taken with a stereoscopic camera originally (Not just dolly roger), and they've had to use the alternative photo, Like Brian in the circle, the left one of Roger in the pair of him and so on. |
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Post by thesirhc on Sept 15, 2024 17:02:11 GMT
For those disappointed about Hangman, I would think this live version we're about to get will have been so "touched up" and "refined" in the studio that it will basically be a studio version with a bit of crowd in the background.
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Post by billy on Sept 15, 2024 17:16:42 GMT
Does anyone noticed that designers digitally re-compiled the whole backsleeve collage from original photos? 1973 vs 2024I wonder if they’ll correct John’s credit to read “John Deacon” and remove Roger’s hyphenated name? |
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Post by donovan on Sept 15, 2024 17:24:55 GMT
Roger is the key giveaway - one of the wallpaper elements just to the left of his hair part are cropped out in (what I assume is) the newly assembled collage. Isn't the change in size of the lefthand of the two Brian penguin pics at the top a good indicator too? I misspoke! I meant to say that was the first difference I noticed, and it was all I needed to know that this wasn't just a tweaked scan of the original. |
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Post by billy on Sept 15, 2024 17:39:52 GMT
As someone else here mentioned, this video went thru a million different levels of approval before finally getting to them. They're probably beholden to legal deadlines etc that we don't even know about. 100% this. Anyone who has created anything that's released out into the world knows there are so many things beyond their control, and sometimes time just runs out and the thing needs to be delivered. This kind of reminds me of when they were being interviewed live on the radio for the release of There Must Be More To Life Than This and they seemed genuinely surprised by the version that was played. But I don’t recall that they ever said anything negative about it. They probably couldn’t without undermining sales of the whole project and/or legal ramifications. And once it’s out, it’s out. Have they ever admitted a released product was subpar or not finished/finalized and made a correction? Other than Queen/Queen I (I guess). |
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Post by leighburne on Sept 15, 2024 17:54:57 GMT
This kind of reminds me of when they were being interviewed live on the radio for the release of There Must Be More To Life Than This and they seemed genuinely surprised by the version that was played. But I don’t recall that they ever said anything negative about it. Didn’t Roger make it rather obvious he didn’t think much of the version we got? |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 15, 2024 17:58:19 GMT
Have they ever admitted a released product was subpar or not finished/finalized and made a correction? It's bad PR and not a good look, so no, not really. Be behind the thing, and most people will soon forget. This kind of reminds me of when they were being interviewed live on the radio for the release of There Must Be More To Life Than This and they seemed genuinely surprised by the version that was played. But I don’t recall that they ever said anything negative about it. Didn’t Roger make it rather obvious he didn’t think much of the version we got? Yeah, and that was a case where he could get away with it, because William Orbit mixed it, not his people. But if it's your people, you stand by them. PR 101. Show loyalty. |
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Post by merplot on Sept 15, 2024 18:03:23 GMT
That's not really an excuse to deliver subpar product. Its just a statement of the fact that they f**cked up the deadlines and the project had poor management. Which absolutely does not somehow should now save them from well-deserved critique. Shit dont NEED to be delivered. There is no law of physics that absolutely forces one to release a subpar product. It's still always a choice that people made and they could always make another choice. Again, that means that we can freely criticise that choice, even in harsh words, if deserved. And this time, it's clearly deserved. It's not an excuse as much as it's a reality - these kinds of projects often have too many cooks in the kitchen, and things can get caught up in bureaucracy and communication back and forth between too many parties. And indeed, people have the right to air their grievances about the final result as they may. But they often don't know what goes on behind the scenes to make these kinds of things happen (or not happen, or barely happen). Rarely are things perfect, where large groups of people have a singular vision and execute it. It isn't like a space mission where everyone absolutely must be on the same page to make a thing happen in a mathematically precise way, where one minor deviation from the plan will result in utter catastrophe. This is art, and people are going to have varying opinions which will create hang-ups of one kind or another. It's just how life works most of the time. All this. I worked in fashion for years and did tons of celebrity projects and collabs, and what I've learned is that there is TONS of bureaucracy, often the celeb is just the final level of approval, and things are held back from them until the last second in order to keep them from vetoing anything until it's too late. Often the celeb is just the face of the project-- I've had designers go on TV with my own illustrations before and claim to have done them themselves. It's part of the game. Now, this video isn't a fashion collab, but every creative project of this size is basically a collaboration by definition and the same principles apply. Obviously everything gets final approval from at the very least Brian, but even as perfectionistic as he is, the video or artwork or whatever is secondary to the music itself, and it's not humanly possible to have that type of control over every single thing that comes out of QPL, unless Brian chose to sit there and shoot the video and produce it on his own computer, etc. It's fine to be disappointed in something, no one needs me to tell them that, but personally I find the level of anger and disgust coming out of here to be unwarranted and disheartening. Queen didnt become the household name they are without playing the game a bit. |
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Post by saintjiub on Sept 15, 2024 18:38:26 GMT
I think I will hopefully get the two disc edition as I can't afford £150 at this time & I don't have a record player so the vinyl in the box set is not worth having just to look at. I think Brian & Roger of course still care about their products that they put out for us . I wonder if John was consulted about the video for TNCD & the Box set ? Have you considered the mp3 version of the entire box set? I purchase it in the US Where it was about $10 on Amazon. I believe others have ordered it on Amazon UK. |
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Post by disco_mart on Sept 15, 2024 19:02:18 GMT
I think we need to seriously consider the possibility that no studio recording of Hangman exists, or has ever existed. I know JSS claimed to have an acetate of it, but that claim exists in a void: Roger and Brian don't remember recording it, it doesn't show up on any studio track sheet, no umpteenth generation recording ever circulated among even the most fanatical collectors. Maybe the early version "sucks", or maybe has racist lyrics, or may be a significantly different better version live several years later. No matter, we will have an official live version in the coming weeks. I reckon we'll see a version either with Q2 or ANATO. |
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Post by manymilesaway on Sept 15, 2024 19:05:41 GMT
For those disappointed about Hangman, I would think this live version we're about to get will have been so "touched up" and "refined" in the studio that it will basically be a studio version with a bit of crowd in the background. I don't think so. It's a soundboard, not a multi-track. If anything, expect a mono rendition of Hangman in wonderful resolution and almost no crowd noise. Listen to Sleeping On The Sidewalk from the 2017 NOTW release for reference. |
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Post by disco_mart on Sept 15, 2024 19:11:14 GMT
For those disappointed about Hangman, I would think this live version we're about to get will have been so "touched up" and "refined" in the studio that it will basically be a studio version with a bit of crowd in the background. I don't think so. It's a soundboard, not a multi-track. If anything, expect a mono rendition of Hangman in wonderful resolution and almost no crowd noise. Listen to Sleeping On The Sidewalk from the 2017 NOTW release for reference. I'm expecting autotune 101 to be used on whatever the final product sounds like. |
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Post by manymilesaway on Sept 15, 2024 19:35:37 GMT
I don't think so. It's a soundboard, not a multi-track. If anything, expect a mono rendition of Hangman in wonderful resolution and almost no crowd noise. Listen to Sleeping On The Sidewalk from the 2017 NOTW release for reference. I'm expecting autotune 101 to be used on whatever the final product sounds like. Well they were already in full-force with pitch correction in 2017 by the time the NOTW boxset came out, in fact its Raw Sessions disc was full of pitch correction, but they didn't have any on the SOTS live version because they COULDN'T. Now, the question is whether or not they'll go so far as to do AI separation on the soundboard to pitch correct THAT. The technology existed in 2017 but they didn't do it, which is why I'm unsure. |
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Post by Chinwonder2 on Sept 15, 2024 19:37:53 GMT
I'm expecting autotune 101 to be used on whatever the final product sounds like. Well they were already in full-force with pitch correction in 2017 by the time the NOTW boxset came out, in fact its Raw Sessions disc was full of pitch correction, but they didn't have any on the SOTS live version because they COULDN'T. Now, the question is whether or not they'll go so far as to do AI separation on the soundboard to pitch correct THAT. The technology existed in 2017 but they didn't do it, which is why I'm unsure. ^ Although they did AI seperate Houston to replace the vocal break during WATC, guessing only because it's well mixed and dry anyway, So I guess anything is possible. |
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Post by airpodsmax on Sept 15, 2024 19:42:57 GMT
Is there a bootleg of the American concert from which they took for the official release Hangman?
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Post by saintjiub on Sept 15, 2024 19:51:42 GMT
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 15, 2024 22:04:26 GMT
I think I will hopefully get the two disc edition as I can't afford £150 at this time & I don't have a record player so the vinyl in the box set is not worth having just to look at. I think Brian & Roger of course still care about their products that they put out for us . I wonder if John was consulted about the video for TNCD & the Box set ? Have you considered the mp3 version of the entire box set? I purchase it in the US Where it was about $10 on Amazon. I believe others have ordered it on Amazon UK. yep, was £21 on AmazonUK |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 15, 2024 22:06:27 GMT
it's likely it's a Soundboard job, which has two benefits - they can tidy it up, and crowd noise will (likely) be greatly reduced, so it may sound more studio-like. |
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Post by snakecharmer on Sept 15, 2024 22:09:05 GMT
On the back of the Queen LP with all the photos on the back who is the photo of at the bottom right just above the the Queen of spades ? I always thought it was Roger , but it does not look like him , Is it Mike Grose or Barry Mitchell or Tim Staffell ?
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Post by mattzarella on Sept 15, 2024 22:10:53 GMT
I think I will hopefully get the two disc edition as I can't afford £150 at this time & I don't have a record player so the vinyl in the box set is not worth having just to look at. I think Brian & Roger of course still care about their products that they put out for us . I wonder if John was consulted about the video for TNCD & the Box set ? Have you considered the mp3 version of the entire box set? I purchase it in the US Where it was about $10 on Amazon. I believe others have ordered it on Amazon UK. That must have been a temporary offer. Every time someone links to it I get the 18.99 download. I'm not big on digital though. At some point with fingers crossed, I'll prob get the set in spite of the a.i. stuff that's being utilized on it. |
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Post by vh on Sept 15, 2024 22:33:22 GMT
On the back of the Queen LP with all the photos on the back who is the photo of at the bottom right just above the the Queen of spades ? I always thought it was Roger , but it does not look like him , Is it Mike Grose or Barry Mitchell or Tim Staffell ? It’s John Harris |
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Post by Brian's Wig on Sept 15, 2024 22:48:48 GMT
I think I will hopefully get the two disc edition as I can't afford £150 at this time & I don't have a record player so the vinyl in the box set is not worth having just to look at. I think Brian & Roger of course still care about their products that they put out for us . I wonder if John was consulted about the video for TNCD & the Box set ? Have you considered the mp3 version of the entire box set? I purchase it in the US Where it was about $10 on Amazon. I believe others have ordered it on Amazon UK. mp3? Are they STILL putting stuff out on a shitty format? FFS. It's time they offered FLAC or better still 24/96. |
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Post by saintjiub on Sept 15, 2024 23:27:47 GMT
Have you considered the mp3 version of the entire box set? I purchase it in the US Where it was about $10 on Amazon. I believe others have ordered it on Amazon UK. That must have been a temporary offer. Every time someone links to it I get the 18.99 download. I'm not big on digital though. At some point with fingers crossed, I'll prob get the set in spite of the a.i. stuff that's being utilized on it. If you get the download, please note that the Miracle box set is $36 for mp3 as I recall, so the price for the Queen I download might increase. $19 is still a good deal for 60+ songs ... |
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Post by imthewalrus79 on Sept 16, 2024 1:26:07 GMT
I can't help but agree. I really want to hear Mad The Swine, in the form in which the authors intended it, although my heart feels that it will hardly contain the authors' intention. As for Hangman, it's a shame that it's a live version, but that's not so bad either. I think we need to seriously consider the possibility that no studio recording of Hangman exists, or has ever existed. I know JSS claimed to have an acetate of it, but that claim exists in a void: Roger and Brian don't remember recording it, it doesn't show up on any studio track sheet, no umpteenth generation recording ever circulated among even the most fanatical collectors. I always thought it was a shame that things were allowed to get so bad between JSS and Greg. If he did have a Hangman studio acetate (or any other rare things not in the official Queen vault), that may be lost to history now that he's gone. Given what happened, I could understand his position. And I wish that someone else in Queen's circle, like Jim Beach or someone would have made Greg stop making things worse between the two of them. Going back to this remix, it's obvious that they chose either a modern drum sample or took a modern sample from Roger. I wonder if they had attempted sampling the drums from the multitracks from anything from either the Sheer Heart Attack or Night at the Opera albums. By that time, the drums were sounding like they wanted. So, using a sample of them from those two albums might have been a better choice. |
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