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Post by disco_mart on Sept 20, 2024 12:08:44 GMT
Interesting to see names that I thought were no longer associated with Queen such as Simon Lupton and Nick Weymouth. Is there a film coming out about "Queen" on the Beeb down the road maybe? Nice seeing Doug Bogie, Mike Grose and Barry Mitchell mentioned. Its highly likely that at least two of these individuals will be credited on this recording as either performer and/or composer so I'm not that surprised they got a mention. |
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Post by readyeddie on Sept 20, 2024 13:03:02 GMT
Advert just released on Queen’s YouTube for the box set, includes audio clips of Keep Yourself Alive, Modern Times Rock ‘n’ Roll, and Liar remixed, drums sound very different on KYA, can’t really hear much of a difference for Liar, but obviously these are only very short clips…
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Post by JackG on Sept 20, 2024 13:34:48 GMT
Advert just released on Queen’s YouTube for the box set, includes audio clips of Keep Yourself Alive, Modern Times Rock ‘n’ Roll, and Liar remixed, drums sound very different on KYA, can’t really hear much of a difference for Liar, but obviously these are only very short clips… I'm the only one who notices some sort of pitch-correction on Liar at circa 0:45? (why don't just leave me alone) |
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Post by lefthandedguitarist on Sept 20, 2024 13:41:23 GMT
Ooh, Liar sounds MEATY in that clip. I like it. Big difference to my ear for drums and guitars.
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Post by manymilesaway on Sept 20, 2024 13:41:47 GMT
Liar sounds fantastic in my opinion, really would have been a better showcase of the remix than The Night Comes Down. The new mix for the snare fits better in all of these other songs imo
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Post by readyeddie on Sept 20, 2024 13:44:41 GMT
Advert just released on Queen’s YouTube for the box set, includes audio clips of Keep Yourself Alive, Modern Times Rock ‘n’ Roll, and Liar remixed, drums sound very different on KYA, can’t really hear much of a difference for Liar, but obviously these are only very short clips… I'm the only one who notices some sort of pitch-correction on Liar at circa 0:45? (why don't just leave me alone) I don’t think there’s any pitch correction there, but compared to the 2011 remaster, Freddie’s lead vocal has really been boosted up in the mix. Maybe that’s the difference? |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 20, 2024 14:14:46 GMT
I think it would have been better to offer a CD Box set & the option to have a box set with the vinyl included if that's what you wanted . I much prefer CD'S easier to store , last longer if looked after & in my opinion sound better when played through a decent system. I have got around 10,000 CD's can you imagine storing 10,000 L.PS ? Vinyl has never been perfect with pops and crackles here and there or even skipping. I like many of you don't even own a record player so we are paying extra money to look at a vinyl copy. A choice would have been nice. Instead of that we have a box set around £180 in a time when some people are struggling to make ends meet. Nobody's forcing anyone to buy anything. People can just buy the 2CD version if money is tight. And considering vinyl generates more sales today than CDs, I'm actually surprised that nobody's complaining about this box set because they don't own a CD player - I'd wager to say far more people own turntables today than CD players. |
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Sept 20, 2024 14:41:54 GMT
I think it would have been better to offer a CD Box set & the option to have a box set with the vinyl included if that's what you wanted . I much prefer CD'S easier to store , last longer if looked after & in my opinion sound better when played through a decent system. I have got around 10,000 CD's can you imagine storing 10,000 L.PS ? Vinyl has never been perfect with pops and crackles here and there or even skipping. I like many of you don't even own a record player so we are paying extra money to look at a vinyl copy. A choice would have been nice. Instead of that we have a box set around £180 in a time when some people are struggling to make ends meet. Nobody's forcing anyone to buy anything. People can just buy the 2CD version if money is tight. And considering vinyl generates more sales today than CDs, I'm actually surprised that nobody's complaining about this box set because they don't own a CD player - I'd wager to say far more people own turntables today than CD players. If that is so, I would find that most regrettable. Nostalgia and the likes are all very nice, but cd audio is just far superior in terms of sound quality, and as a long term storage medium, cd's have exceeded all expectations. And owning a physical copy protects you from the whims of streaming services. |
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Post by rub3945 on Sept 20, 2024 14:49:06 GMT
Yessss, Liar really seems to benefit from the remix treatment! Modern Times Rock N Roll too. I'm suddenly a lot more excited now! TNCD wasn't as desperate for a new mix compared to some of the others. Much better teaser in my opinion 😃
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Post by manymilesaway on Sept 20, 2024 14:52:16 GMT
I'm the only one who notices some sort of pitch-correction on Liar at circa 0:45? (why don't just leave me alone) I don’t think there’s any pitch correction there, but compared to the 2011 remaster, Freddie’s lead vocal has really been boosted up in the mix. Maybe that’s the difference? Mmm, I have to disagree there. The pitch correction is pretty apparent on "alone" |
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Post by snakecharmer on Sept 20, 2024 15:08:47 GMT
Oh well each to there own opinion , I get the appeal of having an LP with lyrics printed that you can read and the great artwork . For me though I will stick with the CD version .
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Post by manymilesaway on Sept 20, 2024 15:12:11 GMT
Nobody's forcing anyone to buy anything. People can just buy the 2CD version if money is tight. And considering vinyl generates more sales today than CDs, I'm actually surprised that nobody's complaining about this box set because they don't own a CD player - I'd wager to say far more people own turntables today than CD players. If that is so, I would find that most regrettable. Nostalgia and the likes are all very nice, but cd audio is just far superior in terms of sound quality, and as a long term storage medium, cd's have exceeded all expectations. And owning a physical copy protects you from the whims of streaming services. I think the main thing is, vinyl has made a comeback because of how different it is as an experience. If people want convenience, they'll go for streaming. If they want to own their music, they'll go for the vinyl, because of how different it is to streaming. I'm pretty young, yet to reach 20. In my experience, most everybody at my high school had WAY more of an interest in vinyl than they ever had in CDs. There's really not much of a difference in terms of listening experience between a CD and lossless listening on Apple Music or Spotify. The difference is so negligible that CDs are kind of seen as more of an inconvenience, really. I can't imagine why a 20-something-year-old who has their phone at all times would ever pop in a CD when they can just as easily listen to their music on their phone in similar quality with 4 simple taps. Whereas vinyl is SO different, that most of its downsides don't matter. It's the novelty of having a big, physical representation of your music. Many of my friends don't even own a record player, but they pick up their favourite albums on vinyl as sort of a memento. A testament to how much they love that album, even if they're never going to actually listen to that album on vinyl. The maintaining of a record also gives it more of a "presence." The way you have to protect the cover, the way you have to handle the records themselves delicately, the way you have to be mindful of storage, etc. etc. It's all practically very inconvenient, but the care that goes into the process makes each one feel more valuable, I guess. |
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Post by manymilesaway on Sept 20, 2024 15:16:39 GMT
I'd wager to say far more people own turntables today than CD players. Gotta say I disagree there, any schmuck with a laptop, DVD player, BluRay player, Playstation, or Xbox from the past 30 years can play a CD. Let alone the people who actually bought CD players. I probably have 20 or more devices just sitting around my house that can play a CD. |
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Post by jjmillenium on Sept 20, 2024 15:18:45 GMT
The drums in Liar sounds like the remix on 1991 Hollywood Records series
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Post by leighburne on Sept 20, 2024 15:27:20 GMT
There's really not much of a difference in terms of listening experience between a CD and lossless listening on Apple Music or Spotify. The difference is so negligible that CDs are kind of seen as more of an inconvenience, really. I can't imagine why a 20-something-year-old who has their phone at all times would ever pop in a CD when they can just as easily listen to their music on their phone in similar quality with 4 simple taps. I listen to most of my music via an mp3 player while I’m out and about. Vinyl’s useless in that scenario, whereas CDs are compatible. And I buy CDs because I still like to actually own my music - aside from the fact there’s stuff I enjoy that you simply can’t find on streaming services, with streaming I’d only have access to that music as long as the service deems it worthwhile to provide it. I’m not renting my bloody music. And they do remove stuff from time to time. No one’s removing the CDs from my shelf. Add to which you generally don’t have much choice which version of an album you’re listening to on streaming, so if it’s an atrocious brickwalled remaster, tough. If I’m buying a CD I can at least choose which pressing I buy. Point being, there are definitely legitimate reasons to consume music any way you like. |
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Post by zephead2112 on Sept 20, 2024 15:36:48 GMT
I just watched the unboxing video on YT (via a 5.1 Sonos system). I was pleasantly surprised by the audio after being initially aghast at the premiere of TNCD. I'm quite excited now!
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Post by latedep31 on Sept 20, 2024 15:45:35 GMT
As someone who owns a turntable, I would be more than happy getting an LP pressing of the album in the box. Would love to get an original UK press of it at a later date of course, but having both it and the remix would be very nice. But, money is tight haha.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 20, 2024 16:04:45 GMT
Nobody's forcing anyone to buy anything. People can just buy the 2CD version if money is tight. And considering vinyl generates more sales today than CDs, I'm actually surprised that nobody's complaining about this box set because they don't own a CD player - I'd wager to say far more people own turntables today than CD players. If that is so, I would find that most regrettable. Nostalgia and the likes are all very nice, but cd audio is just far superior in terms of sound quality, and as a long term storage medium, cd's have exceeded all expectations. And owning a physical copy protects you from the whims of streaming services. Mostly agree. But you will find plenty of people who prefer the first pressing of an LP in good condition on a turntable with a good needle to any alternative. The analog vs digital argument will press (see what I did there?) on forever. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 20, 2024 16:07:51 GMT
If that is so, I would find that most regrettable. Nostalgia and the likes are all very nice, but cd audio is just far superior in terms of sound quality, and as a long term storage medium, cd's have exceeded all expectations. And owning a physical copy protects you from the whims of streaming services. I think the main thing is, vinyl has made a comeback because of how different it is as an experience. If people want convenience, they'll go for streaming. If they want to own their music, they'll go for the vinyl, because of how different it is to streaming. I'm pretty young, yet to reach 20. In my experience, most everybody at my high school had WAY more of an interest in vinyl than they ever had in CDs. There's really not much of a difference in terms of listening experience between a CD and lossless listening on Apple Music or Spotify. The difference is so negligible that CDs are kind of seen as more of an inconvenience, really. I can't imagine why a 20-something-year-old who has their phone at all times would ever pop in a CD when they can just as easily listen to their music on their phone in similar quality with 4 simple taps. Whereas vinyl is SO different, that most of its downsides don't matter. It's the novelty of having a big, physical representation of your music. Many of my friends don't even own a record player, but they pick up their favourite albums on vinyl as sort of a memento. A testament to how much they love that album, even if they're never going to actually listen to that album on vinyl. The maintaining of a record also gives it more of a "presence." The way you have to protect the cover, the way you have to handle the records themselves delicately, the way you have to be mindful of storage, etc. etc. It's all practically very inconvenient, but the care that goes into the process makes each one feel more valuable, I guess. Excellent perspective. I loved reading this from someone half my age. There's also the ritual of it - the feeling of putting the needle down, and the little bit of surface noise before the music begins - it's almost like the breath at the beginning of a conversation. And the fact that you need to get up after ~20 minutes to flip the LP to side B means there's a far greater chance that you'll be making this a primary activity rather than a secondary activity where it's just on in the background. That's where Spotify playlists can render music to be mere white noise after long enough. And even CDs in a five-disc changer can go on for hours without any attention having to be paid to them. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 20, 2024 16:11:27 GMT
I'd wager to say far more people own turntables today than CD players. Gotta say I disagree there, any schmuck with a laptop, DVD player, BluRay player, Playstation, or Xbox from the past 30 years can play a CD. Let alone the people who actually bought CD players. I probably have 20 or more devices just sitting around my house that can play a CD. Right, point taken. As someone who's owned none of these things (apart from a DVD player many moons ago), I completely forgot that all of those things double as CD players. |
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Post by georg on Sept 20, 2024 16:28:51 GMT
Oh shit those drums sound gooooood...
I love that there seems to be a little more air in the songs. The original Modern Times kinda comes off as a thick stew, but here it's allowed to breathe and the instruments and vocals sound much clearer and more defined. Then again, I'm basing that off a 15-second sample, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also, I don't hate that pitch correction in Liar. (Or maybe it's from an alternate take, or it was an alternate vocal on the multitrack?) It's different from the familiar, which I'll always take.
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Post by merplot on Sept 20, 2024 16:33:49 GMT
I don’t think there’s any pitch correction there, but compared to the 2011 remaster, Freddie’s lead vocal has really been boosted up in the mix. Maybe that’s the difference? Mmm, I have to disagree there. The pitch correction is pretty apparent on "alone" Yes, I hear it as well. Disappointing but not as overt as some of the things they've released in the past. That aside, overall I'm pretty excited because I'm already hearing things I hadn't heard before just in the examples in this promo vid. TNCD alone has another layer to it with Freddie's vocals being so prominent over everything else vs whats on the original release. |
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Post by Plengel on Sept 20, 2024 16:42:10 GMT
Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll sounds frantic! I really like it!
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 20, 2024 16:53:32 GMT
Loving the new remix clips. Liar sounds monstrous - in a good way! Imagine the somewhat thin and tinny guitars in MOTBQ sounding like this! 😀
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Post by manymilesaway on Sept 20, 2024 17:51:44 GMT
There's really not much of a difference in terms of listening experience between a CD and lossless listening on Apple Music or Spotify. The difference is so negligible that CDs are kind of seen as more of an inconvenience, really. I can't imagine why a 20-something-year-old who has their phone at all times would ever pop in a CD when they can just as easily listen to their music on their phone in similar quality with 4 simple taps. I listen to most of my music via an mp3 player while I’m out and about. Vinyl’s useless in that scenario, whereas CDs are compatible. And I buy CDs because I still like to actually own my music - aside from the fact there’s stuff I enjoy that you simply can’t find on streaming services, with streaming I’d only have access to that music as long as the service deems it worthwhile to provide it. I’m not renting my bloody music. And they do remove stuff from time to time. No one’s removing the CDs from my shelf. Add to which you generally don’t have much choice which version of an album you’re listening to on streaming, so if it’s an atrocious brickwalled remaster, tough. If I’m buying a CD I can at least choose which pressing I buy. Point being, there are definitely legitimate reasons to consume music any way you like. I dont disagree with any of that, I was mainly just speaking from the perspective of the average youth buying music. |
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Post by alexlizzy on Sept 20, 2024 17:56:10 GMT
I'd wager to say far more people own turntables today than CD players. Gotta say I disagree there, any schmuck with a laptop, DVD player, BluRay player, Playstation, or Xbox from the past 30 years can play a CD. Let alone the people who actually bought CD players. I probably have 20 or more devices just sitting around my house that can play a CD. Laptops generally ceased to include a disk drive years ago. I had to buy an external disk drive at some point so I could listen and rip my CDs with newer laptops. |
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Post by alexlizzy on Sept 20, 2024 17:57:30 GMT
The drums in Liar sounds like the remix on 1991 Hollywood Records series My first thought as well  |
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Post by pg on Sept 20, 2024 17:57:59 GMT
I'd wager to say far more people own turntables today than CD players. I'd take that bet all day long. Every Blu Ray, DVD player and PlayStation is a CD player, as well as many Xboxes. Plus 90% of turntable.owners will have CD players. |
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Post by Maxi Dries on Sept 20, 2024 18:56:39 GMT
I'd wager to say far more people own turntables today than CD players. I'd take that bet all day long. Every Blu Ray, DVD player and PlayStation is a CD player, as well as many Xboxes. Plus 90% of turntable.owners will have CD players. Playstation is no more a Cd player since PSN 4. Only reads dvd and br. |
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Post by Raf on Sept 20, 2024 19:06:38 GMT
I'd wager to say far more people own turntables today than CD players. Gotta say I disagree there, any schmuck with a laptop, DVD player, BluRay player, Playstation, or Xbox from the past 30 years can play a CD. Let alone the people who actually bought CD players. I probably have 20 or more devices just sitting around my house that can play a CD. I can't remember the last year I've seen a laptop with a CD/DVD player...  |
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