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Post by grumzy on Sept 20, 2024 19:07:07 GMT
.... The original Modern Times kinda comes off as a thick stew, but here it's allowed to breathe and the instruments and vocals sound much clearer and more defined. Then again, I'm basing that off a 15-second sample, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .. Yes, yes, yes. Exactly. My favourite version of MTRnR was always one of the BBC versions, cant remember off hand which one. But you summed up perfectly why the album version isnt quite right. So far, the clips I've heard make me really want to sit down with the 'new' album and listen properly when I get it. Not while Im driving, not while I'm reading or looking through my phone, Not while there's chatter in the house... properly. Just me and the record.
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Post by Brian's Wig on Sept 20, 2024 19:39:50 GMT
I'm actually surprised that nobody's complaining about this box set because they don't own a CD player - I'd wager to say far more people own turntables today than CD players. Frankly we should be lucky the tracks don't come on a USB stick in mp3 format replete with Queen logo! I haven't owned a CD player for 23 years - not since I bought my Pioneer DVD/DVD-A player so I could play the ANATO DVD-A!
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Sept 20, 2024 19:40:59 GMT
Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll sounds frantic! I really like it! Hear Hear!
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Post by vh on Sept 20, 2024 19:48:49 GMT
Gotta say I disagree there, any schmuck with a laptop, DVD player, BluRay player, Playstation, or Xbox from the past 30 years can play a CD. Let alone the people who actually bought CD players. I probably have 20 or more devices just sitting around my house that can play a CD. Right, point taken. As someone who's owned none of these things (apart from a DVD player many moons ago), I completely forgot that all of those things double as CD players. I think the question that’s been missed is how many people who play games on these devices actually use them as CD player’s. My favourite thing to listen too is vinyl, on a good system the sound is untouchable, also the experience of the record cover is part of the musical experience. I collect both vinyl and CD’s. CD’s lack the warmth of vinyl but are far better than the compressed clinic sound that down loads bring.
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Post by emrabt on Sept 20, 2024 19:56:54 GMT
I'm actually surprised that nobody's complaining about this box set because they don't own a CD player - I'd wager to say far more people own turntables today than CD players. Frankly we should be lucky the tracks don't come on a USB stick in mp3 format replete with Queen logo! I haven't owned a CD player for 23 years - not since I bought my Pioneer DVD/DVD-A player so I could play the ANATO DVD-A! I'm pretty sure they did this a few years ago.
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Post by pg on Sept 20, 2024 20:33:31 GMT
Frankly we should be lucky the tracks don't come on a USB stick In my opinion, that SHOULD be an option! Freddie shaped, though Also, a single Blu Ray with the book as a slideshow, all the audio and a surround mix.
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Post by snakecharmer on Sept 20, 2024 20:44:41 GMT
If a box set didn't include CD's how many vinyl albums would you need to create the box set and the price of course would also be so much more .
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Post by thesirhc on Sept 20, 2024 20:52:30 GMT
I was excited to see that the 50th anniversary release of George Harrison's Living In The Material World will have a Blu-ray with Dolby Atmos. It's good to know that some big releases are still doing that. Maybe there's still hope for the next Queen box.
These releases do seem to be getting better each time NOTW -> TM -> QI
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Post by pg on Sept 20, 2024 21:00:40 GMT
If a box set didn't include CD's how many vinyl albums would you need to create the box set and the price of course would also be so much more . What if it didn't include vinyl EITHER? How much LESS could it cost?
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Post by angusscrimm on Sept 20, 2024 22:11:13 GMT
If a box set didn't include CD's how many vinyl albums would you need to create the box set and the price of course would also be so much more . With the content that's on the CDs, I reckon it would be the same amount of vinyl lol. A 6LP set!
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 21, 2024 0:08:05 GMT
If a box set didn't include CD's how many vinyl albums would you need to create the box set and the price of course would also be so much more . With the content that's on the CDs, I reckon it would be the same amount of vinyl lol. A 6LP set! In this case, yes. But if they'd stretched a few of the discs to anywhere near their 80 minute capacity, it could've easily been 8-10 LPs.
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Post by Ryan Newton on Sept 21, 2024 1:53:46 GMT
With the release of the four rare live tracks, it begs the question, what else are they open to releasing in the archive? To be honest, I never thought we'd see a 1970 recording, so this sort of opens the flood gates.
More importantly, why did they choose San Diego 1976 of all shows? I'm absolutely glad this is what they picked, but surely they've got other live recordings of Hangman in the archive. It just seems odd to pick a 1976 gig to represent tracks from their first album. I mean, no doubt they were a better band in 1976 than in 1973, so perhaps the people behind it all picked it for quality reasons - which is a relief if anything.
That said, for further box sets, what else could we expect? People on forums like these have been chirping at Queen Productions to "Release the soundboards!" Well, unbelievably, it seems they are.
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Post by manymilesaway on Sept 21, 2024 3:57:45 GMT
With the release of the four rare live tracks, it begs the question, what else are they open to releasing in the archive? To be honest, I never thought we'd see a 1970 recording, so this sort of opens the flood gates. More importantly, why did they choose San Diego 1976 of all shows? I'm absolutely glad this is what they picked, but surely they've got other live recordings of Hangman in the archive. It just seems odd to pick a 1976 gig to represent tracks from their first album. I mean, no doubt they were a better band in 1976 than in 1973, so perhaps the people behind it all picked it for quality reasons - which is a relief if anything. That said, for further box sets, what else could we expect? People on forums like these have been chirping at Queen Productions to "Release the soundboards!" Well, unbelievably, it seems they are. The trend here seems to be releasing the rare songs. Fairy Feller's, Sleeping On The Sidewalk, and now Jesus and Hangman. If a Races boxset were to ever come out, Long Away would be a very welcome addition. The elusive rehearsal tape for The March Of The Black Queen would already make a hypothetical Queen II boxset worth its price. I'm A Man also opens the doors to covers. Perhaps a hypothetical boxset of The Game could give us an official release of Queen's cover of Imagine?
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Post by leighburne on Sept 21, 2024 8:08:07 GMT
What if it didn't include vinyl EITHER? How much LESS could it cost? See again: Thin Lizzy. The upcoming remixes of Jailbreak and Johnny the Fox are being released on vinyl independent of the box set (and still for considerably less than Queen’s box). Much smarter way to do it imo. Mixing formats never made much sense to me.
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Post by gepidaking on Sept 21, 2024 8:19:37 GMT
A question. Since my ears are not as good as they used to be, I did not pick up the auto tune on the couple of times I've listened to TNCD. Since the album has been remixed now, is it possible they dropped in a bit of Freddie's vocals from another take instead of it being autotuned? The new mix uses the De Lane Lea concept rather than the album version. Both mixes sound different vocally.
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Post by Brian's Wig on Sept 21, 2024 8:50:45 GMT
With the release of the four rare live tracks, it begs the question, what else are they open to releasing in the archive? To be honest, I never thought we'd see a 1970 recording, so this sort of opens the flood gates. More importantly, why did they choose San Diego 1976 of all shows? I'm absolutely glad this is what they picked, but surely they've got other live recordings of Hangman in the archive. It just seems odd to pick a 1976 gig to represent tracks from their first album. I mean, no doubt they were a better band in 1976 than in 1973, so perhaps the people behind it all picked it for quality reasons - which is a relief if anything. That said, for further box sets, what else could we expect? People on forums like these have been chirping at Queen Productions to "Release the soundboards!" Well, unbelievably, it seems they are. Flood gates? All that happened was Roger briefly pulled his finger out of the dam to take a wizz and those 4 tracks leaked before he put it back in again. I'm afraid that I'll take an album boxset with a disc of sessions (still only ONE measly disc of sessions though - there should be at least TWO different versions of a song, plus unreleased stuff), over a live boxset anyday - unless said live release is in addtion to a studio boxset and not a replacement.
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Post by eiricd on Sept 21, 2024 11:18:35 GMT
What if it didn't include vinyl EITHER? How much LESS could it cost? See again: Thin Lizzy. The upcoming remixes of Jailbreak and Johnny the Fox are being released on vinyl independent of the box set (and still for considerably less than Queen’s box). Much smarter way to do it imo. Mixing formats never made much sense to me. agree 100%. I'd buy the box with everything regardless, in the case of Queen, but I understand the non-completeists who feel differently. one thing that bugs me about the upcoming Thin Lizzy release; the instrumental mixes exclusive to the stand alone blu ray audio. I really want them, but with postage, customs etc, the stand alone blu ray ends up being the same price as the box set. (pre-ordered at a good price it has to be said, but still..)
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Post by eiricd on Sept 21, 2024 11:29:22 GMT
If that is so, I would find that most regrettable. Nostalgia and the likes are all very nice, but cd audio is just far superior in terms of sound quality, and as a long term storage medium, cd's have exceeded all expectations. And owning a physical copy protects you from the whims of streaming services. I think the main thing is, vinyl has made a comeback because of how different it is as an experience. If people want convenience, they'll go for streaming. If they want to own their music, they'll go for the vinyl, because of how different it is to streaming. I'm pretty young, yet to reach 20. In my experience, most everybody at my high school had WAY more of an interest in vinyl than they ever had in CDs. There's really not much of a difference in terms of listening experience between a CD and lossless listening on Apple Music or Spotify. The difference is so negligible that CDs are kind of seen as more of an inconvenience, really. I can't imagine why a 20-something-year-old who has their phone at all times would ever pop in a CD when they can just as easily listen to their music on their phone in similar quality with 4 simple taps. Whereas vinyl is SO different, that most of its downsides don't matter. It's the novelty of having a big, physical representation of your music. Many of my friends don't even own a record player, but they pick up their favourite albums on vinyl as sort of a memento. A testament to how much they love that album, even if they're never going to actually listen to that album on vinyl. The maintaining of a record also gives it more of a "presence." The way you have to protect the cover, the way you have to handle the records themselves delicately, the way you have to be mindful of storage, etc. etc. It's all practically very inconvenient, but the care that goes into the process makes each one feel more valuable, I guess. interesting insight from a younger person - thanks I think you're right on some key points there. I'll always prefer physical over streaming, but a lossless digital file played on a good system will likely be pretty much the same as its cd counterpart. I'm also in the camp that thinks a well produed vinyl og a good system will sound better than its digital counterpart. Regardless though, the whole tactile ritual is so different to anything else, that it'll continue to appeal to music lovers. Not in the massive numbers of yesterday, but I'm sure there'll always be a place for it.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 21, 2024 11:58:30 GMT
See again: Thin Lizzy. The upcoming remixes of Jailbreak and Johnny the Fox are being released on vinyl independent of the box set (and still for considerably less than Queen’s box). Much smarter way to do it imo. Mixing formats never made much sense to me. agree 100%. I'd buy the box with everything regardless, in the case of Queen, but I understand the non-completeists who feel differently. one thing that bugs me about the upcoming Thin Lizzy release; the instrumental mixes exclusive to the stand alone blu ray audio. I really want them, but with postage, customs etc, the stand alone blu ray ends up being the same price as the box set. (pre-ordered at a good price it has to be said, but still..) The Bluray is included in the box set, isn't it? Not seen a stand alone version.
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Post by leighburne on Sept 21, 2024 11:58:46 GMT
one thing that bugs me about the upcoming Thin Lizzy release; the instrumental mixes exclusive to the stand alone blu ray audio. I really want them, but with postage, customs etc, the stand alone blu ray ends up being the same price as the box set. (pre-ordered at a good price it has to be said, but still..) I’d assume that’s because the standalone is part of Super Deluxe Edition’s own Blu-ray audio series, and maybe they insisted on having something exclusive. The Bluray is included in the box set, isn't it? Not seen a stand alone version. There’s a Blu-ray in the box, but SDE did an exclusive one separately that includes instrumental mixes not found in the box set.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 21, 2024 12:36:00 GMT
one thing that bugs me about the upcoming Thin Lizzy release; the instrumental mixes exclusive to the stand alone blu ray audio. I really want them, but with postage, customs etc, the stand alone blu ray ends up being the same price as the box set. (pre-ordered at a good price it has to be said, but still..) I’d assume that’s because the standalone is part of Super Deluxe Edition’s own Blu-ray audio series, and maybe they insisted on having something exclusive. The Bluray is included in the box set, isn't it? Not seen a stand alone version. There’s a Blu-ray in the box, but SDE did an exclusive one separately that includes instrumental mixes not found in the box set. Ah, hadn't seen that. Anyway, back to Queen I...
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 21, 2024 14:10:18 GMT
With the release of the four rare live tracks, it begs the question, what else are they open to releasing in the archive? To be honest, I never thought we'd see a 1970 recording, so this sort of opens the flood gates. More importantly, why did they choose San Diego 1976 of all shows? I'm absolutely glad this is what they picked, but surely they've got other live recordings of Hangman in the archive. It just seems odd to pick a 1976 gig to represent tracks from their first album. I mean, no doubt they were a better band in 1976 than in 1973, so perhaps the people behind it all picked it for quality reasons - which is a relief if anything. That said, for further box sets, what else could we expect? People on forums like these have been chirping at Queen Productions to "Release the soundboards!" Well, unbelievably, it seems they are. Flood gates? All that happened was Roger briefly pulled his finger out of the dam to take a wizz and those 4 tracks leaked before he put it back in again. I'm afraid that I'll take an album boxset with a disc of sessions (still only ONE measly disc of sessions though - there should be at least TWO different versions of a song, plus unreleased stuff), over a live boxset anyday - unless said live release is in addtion to a studio boxset and not a replacement. As someone who created a website about Queen live, even I have to agree with that. We've heard hundreds of live tapes, and such precious little studio material by comparison. Even a rarity or two in an entire concert does not hold a candle to getting an entire disc of studio outtakes. So given the choice, it's a no-brainer. Suddenly all of the "holy grails" from the 1977-79 period mean little now that we know the setlist of the 1970 tape sitting in their archives. Apart from that, with extremely rare exceptions, it's all a distant second. But - why should they choose ? Just release both, because people will buy both. And now that we know what kind of live tapes they have, there is serious potential for them to curate something truly great. But I'm not holding my breath. We'll be lucky if they do an expanded Live Killers, never mind anything earlier than that.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 21, 2024 15:25:14 GMT
and I'm going to bring back Thin Lizzy back into the discussion Their Live & Dangerous box set from 2022 is pretty much the benchmark for how to expand on a famous live release. 7 complete gigs that were recorded for consideration for the live album that became Live and Dangerous. By all accounts, Queen should have AT LEAST the same amount of gigs available in multi track. I hope they do it right or even the deluxe-benchmark that is UFO : Strangers In The Night ?
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Post by sunshine on Sept 21, 2024 15:37:40 GMT
With the release of the four rare live tracks, it begs the question, what else are they open to releasing in the archive? To be honest, I never thought we'd see a 1970 recording, so this sort of opens the flood gates. More importantly, why did they choose San Diego 1976 of all shows? I'm absolutely glad this is what they picked, but surely they've got other live recordings of Hangman in the archive. It just seems odd to pick a 1976 gig to represent tracks from their first album. I mean, no doubt they were a better band in 1976 than in 1973, so perhaps the people behind it all picked it for quality reasons - which is a relief if anything. That said, for further box sets, what else could we expect? People on forums like these have been chirping at Queen Productions to "Release the soundboards!" Well, unbelievably, it seems they are. No one knows the reason but the performance itself is a big factor. Why keep the San Diego version in the vaults when it’s a superior performance compared to a ,let’s say, 1973 version?
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Post by disco_mart on Sept 21, 2024 16:55:29 GMT
I was excited to see that the 50th anniversary release of George Harrison's Living In The Material World will have a Blu-ray with Dolby Atmos. It's good to know that some big releases are still doing that. Maybe there's still hope for the next Queen box. These releases do seem to be getting better each time NOTW -> TM -> QI The newest Crowded House album came that way. To be honest though Atmos added nothing to the album experience was but it is sonically good to listen to. Far better then the CD version and infinitely better then the vinyl version. I'd take an Atmos release any day of the week over any vinyl. Modern vinyl (like cassette tapes) is a fad and nothing more, marketed to those for whom money clearly burns holes in pockets.
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Post by leighburne on Sept 21, 2024 17:53:02 GMT
or even the deluxe-benchmark that is UFO : Strangers In The Night ? That and the Lizzy set were basically the same in terms of what they presented.
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Post by alexlizzy on Sept 21, 2024 18:36:05 GMT
More importantly, why did they choose San Diego 1976 of all shows? I'm absolutely glad this is what they picked, but surely they've got other live recordings of Hangman in the archive. It just seems odd to pick a 1976 gig to represent tracks from their first album. I mean, no doubt they were a better band in 1976 than in 1973, so perhaps the people behind it all picked it for quality reasons - which is a relief if anything. The simplest and most obvious explanation - they have several versions of Hangman in the vaults and they choose the one they deemed "best" in quality and performance. Which might also explain why no studio version on this box - does not necessarily mean it does not exist or they dont have it, just that for some reason they didnt find it "good enough" for official release, thats it.
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Post by eiricd on Sept 21, 2024 18:46:45 GMT
cut n paste from a post I made on a different forum, about Hangman / uber fan John. S. Stuart.
To speculate further about Hangman; imo, based on the live recordings we have, the track is quite different from the rest of the material on Queen (1). Could it be that the band, amidst busy and limited off hours in the studio, briefly worked on it, "discarded" it fairly quickly, and thought nothing more of it? It's crucial NOT to look at this scenario with 2024 eyes; these days, knowing how Queen's career developed and exploded, and how Freddie's story turned out, the notion of NOT carefully saving EVERY note Freddie ever recorded, seems sacrilegious. Back then though, when the band recorded their deubut album under the circumstanses they did, it's not (IMO) UNLIKELY that a small part of those sessions could have been left on the cutting floor, and that the tapes found a new home elsewhere. And, as history has shown with other acts; such recordings seem to find their way into the hands of dedicated and well connected DIE hard fans. Every band has a group of hard core collectors with INSANE collections, including items/recordings thought to be lost. IMO, there's definitely a possibility that in the case of Queen, J.S.Stuart was one of those collectors, and that a recording of Hangman could have found its way into his hands.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 21, 2024 18:55:55 GMT
cut n paste from a post I made on a different forum, about Hangman / uber fan John. S. Stuart. To speculate further about Hangman; imo, based on the live recordings we have, the track is quite different from the rest of the material on Queen (1). Could it be that the band, amidst busy and limited off hours in the studio, briefly worked on it, "discarded" it fairly quickly, and thought nothing more of it? It's crucial NOT to look at this scenario with 2024 eyes; these days, knowing how Queen's career developed and exploded, and how Freddie's story turned out, the notion of NOT carefully saving EVERY note Freddie ever recorded, seems sacrilegious. Back then though, when the band recorded their deubut album under the circumstanses they did, it's not (IMO) UNLIKELY that a small part of those sessions could have been left on the cutting floor, and that the tapes found a new home elsewhere. And, as history has shown with other acts; such recordings seem to find their way into the hands of dedicated and well connected DIE hard fans. Every band has a group of hard core collectors with INSANE collections, including items/recordings thought to be lost. IMO, there's definitely a possibility that in the case of Queen, J.S.Stuart was one of those collectors, and that a recording of Hangman could have found its way into his hands. It's also quite possible that they discarded it and reused the tape.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 21, 2024 21:01:51 GMT
or even the deluxe-benchmark that is UFO : Strangers In The Night ? That and the Lizzy set were basically the same in terms of what they presented. yep, but, much as I love the Lizzy L&D set, I've always (just) preferred the UFO stuff
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