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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 29, 2024 10:26:15 GMT
Roger said so in his interview with Jo Whiley and he does have quite a good memory. I guess technically the Liar single didn't really happen as such and was released in the US in February '74 ahead of the American tour just to see if it got the band some momentum and attention. The band have spoken about how they didn't have much control of that single but if it was going to be a single in the UK I'm sure they would've decided an edit as surely there would've been one. No, this was direct information from Roger - 3:54. Yes, Roger didsay that, but it's actually incorrect - that was my point. ♦ UK/Rest of World = there was NO 2nd single from the album - it wasn't a "technical non-release" it was an actual non-release. that being the case, there couldn't have been a planned 3rd? It's not possible to plan a 3rd anything, until you have a 2nd. ♦ USA/New Zealand = If TNCD was to be released as a single (3rd from LP) it would've had to be squeezed in between Feb & June 74. they may have had ideas depending upon success/outcome of other single releases, but these could be nothing more than if/maybes I guess it may just have been a slip of the tounge / memory and he meant to say it would have been the second single?
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Post by Ri on Sept 29, 2024 10:30:07 GMT
I'm getting confused - what Roger said was they wanted it to be the third single. Obviously it did not happen. I'm not disagreeing with anyone...
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 29, 2024 11:02:50 GMT
I'm getting confused - what Roger said was they wanted it to be the third single. Obviously it did not happen. I'm not disagreeing with anyone... I think the point that's being made is that Roger was probably mistaken in mentioning it as a third single, either by a failed memory or a slip of the tongue in the interview.
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Post by oreno on Sept 29, 2024 11:50:54 GMT
I think the fact they made 2 promo videos (at some expense) in July 73 indicates both KYA and Liar were earmarked as singles at that point.
TNCD therefore may well have been planned as a 'third' single though technically it could have been released second.
Who knows what the ins and outs of these decisions are. It may have been that they wanted to focus on new material, Queen I having sat on the shelf for so long. Or the opportunity of the Mott tour was the more effective way to promote the album, KYA having hardly set the world on fire and TNCD being a less likely hit.
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Post by oreno on Sept 29, 2024 11:54:59 GMT
- De Lane Lea sessions took place between November 1971 and January 1972 Btw just to clarify (or confuse) - Queen were first at De Lane Lea in August 71. (Source is the John Deacon letter recently shared on facebook). Whether they recorded much, or anything, of the final demos before November... we don't know.
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Post by Ri on Sept 29, 2024 11:58:55 GMT
I'm getting confused - what Roger said was they wanted it to be the third single. Obviously it did not happen. I'm not disagreeing with anyone... I think the point that's being made is that Roger was probably mistaken in mentioning it as a third single, either by a failed memory or a slip of the tongue in the interview. Oh okay, well I thought it was a given that him saying third would mean he counted Liar (was that official? I mean just because it wasn't UK doesn't disqualify it...?). Or if any mistake at all, he imagined SSOR being from Queen I.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 29, 2024 12:29:48 GMT
I think the fact they made 2 promo videos (at some expense) in July 73 indicates both KYA and Liar were earmarked as singles at that point. not really. Norman Sheffield's Life On Two Legs book states that the two videos (recorded by Trilion) were part of a USA LP launch (due 4 September 1973) August 1973 promotional campaign. "It was the natural choice to shoot with Trilion when Jack Nelson and I decided to make a promotional film to send to the US, where Electra were revving up to release Queen's first album"
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Post by NathanH on Sept 29, 2024 13:06:57 GMT
Yes, Roger didsay that, but it's actually incorrect - that was my point. ♦ UK/Rest of World = there was NO 2nd single from the album - it wasn't a "technical non-release" it was an actual non-release. that being the case, there couldn't have been a planned 3rd? It's not possible to plan a 3rd anything, until you have a 2nd. ♦ USA/New Zealand = If TNCD was to be released as a single (3rd from LP) it would've had to be squeezed in between Feb & June 74. they may have had ideas depending upon success/outcome of other single releases, but these could be nothing more than if/maybes I guess it may just have been a slip of the tounge / memory and he meant to say it would have been the second single? It's hard to know, but maybe the book will have the answers. There could be the case that they were thinking of releasing further singles from the first album to promote the first album. It didn't have any impact until Queen II did.
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Post by NathanH on Sept 29, 2024 13:11:29 GMT
I think the fact they made 2 promo videos (at some expense) in July 73 indicates both KYA and Liar were earmarked as singles at that point. not really. Norman Sheffield's Life On Two Legs book states that the two videos (recorded by Trilion) were part of a USA LP launch (due 4 September 1973) August 1973 promotional campaign. "It was the natural choice to shoot with Trilion when Jack Nelson and I decided to make a promotional film to send to the US, where Electra were revving up to release Queen's first album"I was going to say it would be weird why the band would have a video shot for Liar when it wouldn't be a single. It's a long time until February the following year so I do wonder if things got cancelled or delayed. Like when you said the production of Queen II started not long after the first album was released. The band must've had months to decide singles but it took months for anything to happen.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 29, 2024 13:37:47 GMT
not really. Norman Sheffield's Life On Two Legs book states that the two videos (recorded by Trilion) were part of a USA LP launch (due 4 September 1973) August 1973 promotional campaign. "It was the natural choice to shoot with Trilion when Jack Nelson and I decided to make a promotional film to send to the US, where Electra were revving up to release Queen's first album"I was going to say it would be weird why the band would have a video shot for Liar when it wouldn't be a single. It's a long time until February the following year so I do wonder if things got cancelled or delayed. Like when you said the production of Queen II started not long after the first album was released. The band must've had months to decide singles but it took months for anything to happen. the time duration between first album release and commencing recording sessions for the 2nd is nothing unusual. firstly, Queen's recording sessions for their first album finished 8 months prior to album release. Secondly, it was common practice (certainly) in the 60s/70s) for bands to get their first two/three LPs out in close proximity (time wise). as regards the 2nd single question: from reading his (Sheffield's) book, i think it was more a case of using their newly-acquired TV/film studios to create a promotional video for Queen, for Electra to use in the States. As the 1st single was already in the rear-view and the second single was still unplanned (who knows if they even had any plans for a second single at that point), Neither video were to be 7" video-promos, they were album teasers - Sheffield says as much (see my post above Reply #726). The album was due for USA release Sept 4th, the filming was done in August at Trident (Trilion's) newly-acquired studio.
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Post by NathanH on Sept 29, 2024 14:06:37 GMT
I was going to say it would be weird why the band would have a video shot for Liar when it wouldn't be a single. It's a long time until February the following year so I do wonder if things got cancelled or delayed. Like when you said the production of Queen II started not long after the first album was released. The band must've had months to decide singles but it took months for anything to happen. the time duration between first album release and commencing recording sessions for the 2nd is nothing unusual. firstly, Queen's recording sessions for their first album finished 8 months prior to album release. Secondly, it was common practice (certainly) in the 60s/70s) for bands to get their first two/three LPs out in close proximity (time wise). as regards the 2nd single question: from reading his (Sheffield's) book, i think it was more a case of using their newly-acquired TV/film studios to create a promotional video for Queen, for Electra to use in the States. As the 1st single was already in the rear-view and the second single was still unplanned (who knows if they even had any plans for a second single at that point), Neither video were to be 7" video-promos, they were album teasers - Sheffield says as much (see my post above Reply #726). The album was due for USA release Sept 4th, the filming was done in August at Trident (Trilion's) newly-acquired studio. I'm just curious if Queen had the choice to do a second single as Keep Yourself Alive was a failure. Maybe Liar might've been in their minds especially if like you say they're album teasers, so not singles, but still they could've chosen other songs but Liar was their choice. I really hope the book in the box set has definitive answers on all this!
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 29, 2024 16:38:39 GMT
I really hope the book in the box set has definitive answers on all this! i hope you're not placing too much stock in the frequently (proven) flawed memories of two old men and an archivist who has committed more errors/typos to print than The Guardian. I'd be more inclined to believe Sheffield on this one. The info in his book wasn't just dragged from the recesses of his mind...he will have used Trident's diaries, booking schedules and the like to detail what happened where, when and why.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 29, 2024 16:42:32 GMT
I really hope the book in the box set has definitive answers on all this! i hope you're not placing too much stock in the frequently (proven) flawed memories of two old men and an archivist who has committed more errors/typos to print than The Guardian. I'd be more inclined to believe Sheffield on this one. The info in his book wasn't just dragged from the recesses of his mind...he will have used Trident's diaries, booking schedules and the like to detail what happened where, when and why. Shouldn't that be The Gruaniad ?
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Post by NathanH on Sept 29, 2024 16:51:23 GMT
I really hope the book in the box set has definitive answers on all this! i hope you're not placing too much stock in the frequently (proven) flawed memories of two old men and an archivist who has committed more errors/typos to print than The Guardian. I'd be more inclined to believe Sheffield on this one. The info in his book wasn't just dragged from the recesses of his mind...he will have used Trident's diaries, booking schedules and the like to detail what happened where, when and why. Haha! I'm not saying disbelieving or saying Sheffield is wrong, I'm hopeful there will be snippets of gold, as in more pictures of diaries which we have already seen a couple which will confirm or give a full story of what actually happened. There's been a lot already in the last few weeks which has changed some things.
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Post by mikusguitarius on Sept 29, 2024 20:25:48 GMT
Remember folks: the original mixes are - and always will be - available!!!
So there’s really no problem.
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Post by Chopin1995 on Sept 29, 2024 20:31:37 GMT
It looks to me like Queen try to follow The Beatles in recent years. Perhaps it started with the Get Back documentary. Brian commented on that, and I seem to remember he specifically mentioned how it made him look different at his own and Queen's legacy. It opened his eyes on how valuable and fun the archive released can be. Now it looks like every Queen box set is better than the previous one. I can only hope this trend will be continued. It does seem to be following a trend where each box set is slightly better than the last one. So, does this mean that when they've done them all, they'll go back and do them all again?! Another NOTW box, this time including Houston? 😆 I'm just hoping I live to see all of them once, and it would also be nice if they were all done while Brian and Roger are still around to oversee them. That's exactly what I was thinking. I can see them doing it again in the future. The NOTW box set was called "40th Anniversary Edition", so why not doing it again in 20 years and calling it "60th Anniversary Edition"? With each box set they are learning their ways around it.
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Post by Chopin1995 on Sept 29, 2024 20:43:47 GMT
- De Lane Lea sessions took place between November 1971 and January 1972 Btw just to clarify (or confuse) - Queen were first at De Lane Lea in August 71. (Source is the John Deacon letter recently shared on facebook). Whether they recorded much, or anything, of the final demos before November... we don't know. That's right. The sessions at De Lane Lea Studios started in November 1971, but they were there already at the end of August "testing them out (a new building)". Here's the letter:
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Post by Párys on Sept 30, 2024 21:50:27 GMT
I see that even the Japanese fans perceive it the same way with the height correction:
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Post by leo82br on Oct 1, 2024 5:26:10 GMT
Btw just to clarify (or confuse) - Queen were first at De Lane Lea in August 71. (Source is the John Deacon letter recently shared on facebook). Whether they recorded much, or anything, of the final demos before November... we don't know. That's right. The sessions at De Lane Lea Studios started in November 1971, but they were there already at the end of August "testing them out (a new building)". Here's the letter:
Fantastic letter. Thank you very much
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Post by Dimitris on Oct 2, 2024 14:54:32 GMT
That's a question for experts of music production - sound engineer or with great ears...
I am wondering, if the drums in the remix are samples used over the original Roger's playing.
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 2, 2024 16:19:44 GMT
I wonder why they cut cover for single on streaming services.
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 2, 2024 16:20:38 GMT
That's a question for experts of music production - sound engineer or with great ears... I am wondering, if the drums in the remix are samples used over the original Roger's playing. I think with this question to you to those who were engaged in the mix.
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Post by finnieboy on Oct 2, 2024 18:40:45 GMT
Btw just to clarify (or confuse) - Queen were first at De Lane Lea in August 71. (Source is the John Deacon letter recently shared on facebook). Whether they recorded much, or anything, of the final demos before November... we don't know. That's right. The sessions at De Lane Lea Studios started in November 1971, but they were there already at the end of August "testing them out (a new building)". Here's the letter:
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Post by finnieboy on Oct 2, 2024 18:44:53 GMT
Wow good find and Curved Air, only discovered their hit Back Street Luv recently via a music channel, thought it was great, now I’m discovering John went to see them and this was more than 50 years ago!
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 4, 2024 9:23:56 GMT
TNCD finally released on physical format as Vinyl single. I wonder what comes next!!
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Post by readyeddie on Oct 4, 2024 13:08:50 GMT
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Post by A dude on Oct 4, 2024 13:19:45 GMT
I think the drums needed to be changed, but messing with the vocals didn't need to be done. The snippets from the first and second trailer sound better than TNCD though, So my hopes are up.
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 4, 2024 13:52:16 GMT
I'm most interested in hearing the transition from Great King Rat to Mad The Swine and to My Fairy King. I mean Mad The Swine in the right order. Of course, the mix is also interesting to check out. And of course, the divine Hangman, too, no doubt.
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 4, 2024 13:56:21 GMT
I think the drums needed to be changed, but messing with the vocals didn't need to be done. The snippets from the first and second trailer sound better than TNCD though, So my hopes are up. Well who knows may be TNCD also will be slightly fixed Aha, foolish hopes
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 4, 2024 14:59:48 GMT
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