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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 17, 2024 16:42:11 GMT
I Don't understand QPL sometimes. What do they gain from not including SWAFIB? I understand the copyright from the covers but not including on of their own songs is strange. It's because that was around the time that Brian realized he subconsciously based SWAFIB on a riff from another song. Once he did, that artist got a writing credit for SWAFIB. They probably just didn't wanna deal with the royalties involved for that for the boxset. I highly doubt it has anything to do with royalties. I'd say it's the sound quality - it gets very distorted in the middle of the song, as the tape gets overloaded for some reason. It's still listenable for us, but not by official release standards. |
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Post by creepy on Oct 17, 2024 16:43:39 GMT
I think that, taking into account that Queen had planned to record Rainbow's performances in March and November 1974, it would be logical to think that they also recorded, at least the audio, of the previous concerts. With this, the band would try to polish and improve some aspects before professional recording. I have been watching the concerts prior to these performances: MARCH: * Cromer 3-23-74 * Aberystwyth 3-28-74 * Penzance 3-29-74 * Taunton 3-30-74 * London 3-31-74 NOVEMBER * Glasgow 11-8-74 * Southampton 11-14-74 * Swansea 11-15-74 * Birmingham 11-16-74 * Oxford 11-18-74 * London 11-19-74 * London 11-20-74 Do you think that the audios of the Penzance, Taunton or Birmingham and Oxford concerts exist in Queen's archives? I have to assume that if they did make recordings, they would be from the soundboard. It was crazy expensive to do multi track recordings of the shows back then and we know they were working on a tiny budget at the time. I feel if there were more recordings out there from the shows you list, then some snippets would have surfaced by now. In that case, could we conclude that Rainbow songs appear on the Queen box set because there are no more good quality recordings? Does anyone know how the 1970 concert from which two songs are going to be released was recorded? I think that if only two songs from that concert are going to be released it is due to the quality of the audio. Although we may be surprised and the sound quality of those two songs is worthy. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 17, 2024 16:48:02 GMT
I think that, taking into account that Queen had planned to record Rainbow's performances in March and November 1974, it would be logical to think that they also recorded, at least the audio, of the previous concerts. With this, the band would try to polish and improve some aspects before professional recording. I have been watching the concerts prior to these performances: MARCH: * Cromer 3-23-74 * Aberystwyth 3-28-74 * Penzance 3-29-74 * Taunton 3-30-74 * London 3-31-74 NOVEMBER * Glasgow 11-8-74 * Southampton 11-14-74 * Swansea 11-15-74 * Birmingham 11-16-74 * Oxford 11-18-74 * London 11-19-74 * London 11-20-74 Do you think that the audios of the Penzance, Taunton or Birmingham and Oxford concerts exist in Queen's archives? I have to assume that if they did make recordings, they would be from the soundboard. It was crazy expensive to do multi track recordings of the shows back then and we know they were working on a tiny budget at the time. I feel if there were more recordings out there from the shows you list, then some snippets would have surfaced by now. Correct. And I wouldn't even imagine they were recording too many shows even on cassettes or reel-to-reel. They were flat broke into 1975, and blank tape wasn't cheap to buy back then. |
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Post by creepy on Oct 17, 2024 16:57:54 GMT
I have to assume that if they did make recordings, they would be from the soundboard. It was crazy expensive to do multi track recordings of the shows back then and we know they were working on a tiny budget at the time. I feel if there were more recordings out there from the shows you list, then some snippets would have surfaced by now. Correct. And I wouldn't even imagine they were recording too many shows even on cassettes or reel-to-reel. They were flat broke into 1975, and blank tape wasn't cheap to buy back then. It must be taken into account that they professionally recorded two concerts in 1974. There was an indisputable investment of money. I can think of two reasons why songs from the Rainbow concert have been included in the Queen I box set: * There is not enough high-quality live material, or * They have not wanted to restore the tapes they have, either due to laziness, lack of time or trying to reduce money expenses. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 17, 2024 17:08:24 GMT
Correct. And I wouldn't even imagine they were recording too many shows even on cassettes or reel-to-reel. They were flat broke into 1975, and blank tape wasn't cheap to buy back then. It must be taken into account that they professionally recorded two concerts in 1974. There was an indisputable investment of money. I can think of two reasons why songs from the Rainbow concert have been included in the Queen I box set: * There is not enough high-quality live material, or * They have not wanted to restore the tapes they have, either due to laziness, lack of time or trying to reduce money expenses. Or... maybe they're holding some live material back for a live anthology box set? |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 17, 2024 17:12:45 GMT
Correct. And I wouldn't even imagine they were recording too many shows even on cassettes or reel-to-reel. They were flat broke into 1975, and blank tape wasn't cheap to buy back then. It must be taken into account that they professionally recorded two concerts in 1974. There was an indisputable investment of money. I can think of two reasons why songs from the Rainbow concert have been included in the Queen I box set: * There is not enough high-quality live material, or * They have not wanted to restore the tapes they have, either due to laziness, lack of time or trying to reduce money expenses. Three, including the March show. The Rainbow gigs were recorded primarily because the Sheffields wanted to make a live album and a film, and cash in. They were all business. The objective with the live disc on the box set is to have one version of each song on the album in the best sound quality possible, and the Rainbow material is the go-to. They're always thinking quality first, not completeness of any particular recording, irrespective of rarity. |
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Post by creepy on Oct 17, 2024 17:17:52 GMT
It must be taken into account that they professionally recorded two concerts in 1974. There was an indisputable investment of money. I can think of two reasons why songs from the Rainbow concert have been included in the Queen I box set: * There is not enough high-quality live material, or * They have not wanted to restore the tapes they have, either due to laziness, lack of time or trying to reduce money expenses. Or... maybe they're holding some live material back for a live anthology box set? It is a possibility, without a doubt. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 17, 2024 17:53:10 GMT
It must be taken into account that they professionally recorded two concerts in 1974. There was an indisputable investment of money. I can think of two reasons why songs from the Rainbow concert have been included in the Queen I box set: * There is not enough high-quality live material, or * They have not wanted to restore the tapes they have, either due to laziness, lack of time or trying to reduce money expenses. Or... maybe they're holding some live material back for a live anthology box set? Maybe mono or stereo tapes, but nothing 24-track. We know for absolute certain that the Rainbow shows are the earliest multi-track recordings of anything from before 1975. If they existed, they would've turned up in some kind of documentary before now. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 17, 2024 19:14:49 GMT
Or... maybe they're holding some live material back for a live anthology box set? Maybe mono or stereo tapes, but nothing 24-track. We know for absolute certain that the Rainbow shows are the earliest multi-track recordings of anything from before 1975. If they existed, they would've turned up in some kind of documentary before now. Well, we only know for certain from what we actually know. Just over a decade ago, we could have been 'absolutely certain' they never played The Fairy Fellers Master Stroke live - until it turned up! Who knows what further secrets might be unearthed from the vaults? |
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Post by vh on Oct 17, 2024 19:55:45 GMT
Maybe mono or stereo tapes, but nothing 24-track. We know for absolute certain that the Rainbow shows are the earliest multi-track recordings of anything from before 1975. If they existed, they would've turned up in some kind of documentary before now. Well, we only know for certain from what we actually know. Just over a decade ago, we could have been 'absolutely certain' they never played The Fairy Fellers Master Stroke live - until it turned up! Who knows what further secrets might be unearthed from the vaults? I think the most interesting period for live stuff in the vaults will be 76/77 then 78/79. But in reality who really knows! |
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Post by NathanH on Oct 17, 2024 20:32:51 GMT
Well, we only know for certain from what we actually know. Just over a decade ago, we could have been 'absolutely certain' they never played The Fairy Fellers Master Stroke live - until it turned up! Who knows what further secrets might be unearthed from the vaults? I think the most interesting period for live stuff in the vaults will be 76/77 then 78/79. But in reality who really knows! It's surprising there a lot of gaps in this period I've got to say. I always think there must be tapes of rehearsals that we don't know about. There must a tape of the band attempting songs they never played live or different arrangements. They must've attempted tons of songs for the News Of The World Tour. I like to think there's a recording of Long Away we haven't heard yet. The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke and Sleeping On The Sidewalk were only played three times (not so about the number for the former) and yet there's high quality live recordings for both. I guess The Night Comes Down would've been played live but you could probably count on one hand the number of times it was played live. But the fact is, it was so early on in the band's history, most of these shows probably weren't recorded. But after 1975, that's where it gets interesting... |
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Oct 17, 2024 21:04:40 GMT
Unboxing video goes live: I noticed Brian said they didn't play the Night Comes Down live, I wonder if he mixed it up with My Fairy King.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 17, 2024 21:07:14 GMT
Maybe mono or stereo tapes, but nothing 24-track. We know for absolute certain that the Rainbow shows are the earliest multi-track recordings of anything from before 1975. If they existed, they would've turned up in some kind of documentary before now. Well, we only know for certain from what we actually know. Just over a decade ago, we could have been 'absolutely certain' they never played The Fairy Fellers Master Stroke live - until it turned up! Who knows what further secrets might be unearthed from the vaults? Greg Brooks posted the list of what's in the archive on multi-track on QZ ages ago, and no doubt he was telling the truth. There is an extremely low probability that they 24-track recorded anything else 1974 or prior besides Rainbow. We may not have known the specifics of what songs they played at the March gig, but that's not the question he was responding to at the time  |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 17, 2024 21:10:00 GMT
I think the most interesting period for live stuff in the vaults will be 76/77 then 78/79. But in reality who really knows! It's surprising there a lot of gaps in this period I've got to say. I always think there must be tapes of rehearsals that we don't know about. There must a tape of the band attempting songs they never played live or different arrangements. They must've attempted tons of songs for the News Of The World Tour. We know they rehearsed at least this much for the Works tour - and who knows if a recording exists: Great King Rat (longer version) Brighton Rock (full song) I'm In Love With My Car Sweet Lady White Man We Will Rock You (fast) Play The Game Need Your Loving Tonight Put Out The Fire Las Palabras de Amor Life Is Real (both Freddie solo piano and Freddie/Brian acoustic duet versions) Add me to the list of people who would kill to hear Queen attempting Sweet Lady and White Man in 1984. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 17, 2024 21:12:17 GMT
I noticed Brian said they didn't play the Night Comes Down live, I wonder if he mixed it up with My Fairy King.
He really said that Yeah - it was one or two shows 52 years earlier. How much do you remember from random nights 52 years ago ? And it's entirely possible that they skipped the song, which could mean Brian is technically right. Anyone who's played in a band knows that what's on the setlist may not be what happens at the gig, for any number of reasons. Without a recording or some other reliable written account, there's no proof that it happened. Also: thank you for posting this scan. I've never seen it in such high quality !! And it reveals that this one was tampered with more than a bit:  |
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Post by NathanH on Oct 17, 2024 21:35:32 GMT
It's surprising there a lot of gaps in this period I've got to say. I always think there must be tapes of rehearsals that we don't know about. There must a tape of the band attempting songs they never played live or different arrangements. They must've attempted tons of songs for the News Of The World Tour. We know they rehearsed at least this much for the Works tour - and who knows if a recording exists: Great King Rat (longer version) Brighton Rock (full song) I'm In Love With My Car Sweet Lady White Man We Will Rock You (fast) Play The Game Need Your Loving Tonight Put Out The Fire Las Palabras de Amor Life Is Real (both Freddie solo piano and Freddie/Brian acoustic duet versions) Add me to the list of people who would kill to hear Queen attempting Sweet Lady and White Man in 1984. I have read that list before and I forgot how intriguing it is. I still think The Works Tour has one of the best setlists but looking at list, it could've been even more exciting! I have no idea how it would've fitted together but I'm sure the band did plenty of run throughs and even tried doing mini shows to see how it flowed. It does suprise me that Sweet Lady and White Man were debated as they do seem relatively obscure as is Great King Rat (which was featured despite being the rarest of the three) and yet Fat Bottomed Girls wasn't in the list... I'd be curious how The Night Comes Down would've been played live as essentially the acoustic guitar is the main instrument. (Another acoustic song which has recently been mentioned is She Makes Me.). I can't imagine them both with electric guitar playing lead so maybe these songs change Queen live history as being the first songs Brian played acoustic live... |
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Post by vh on Oct 17, 2024 21:39:03 GMT
I think the most interesting period for live stuff in the vaults will be 76/77 then 78/79. But in reality who really knows! It's surprising there a lot of gaps in this period I've got to say. I always think there must be tapes of rehearsals that we don't know about. There must a tape of the band attempting songs they never played live or different arrangements. They must've attempted tons of songs for the News Of The World Tour. br] Yes tapes of tour rehearsals and also pre tracking (for album) rehearsal tapes. I’m not sure there would be much material tried out for News Of The World. The run up time to the tour was quite short. If we’re talking rehearsal tapes, rather than live gig recordings, I think The Works Tour could turn up some interesting ideas and run throughs of unexpected songs. Edit: I’ve just noticed the post above Re the Works tour. You can see what I was thinking about. |
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Post by rylan2020 on Oct 17, 2024 23:05:07 GMT
I haven't seen the sticker on the album before. Maybe I wasn't looking. There hasn't been a sticker so far, I just assumed the guidelines for PA have changed but it could also be because of non-PC lyrics in Hangman, although I couldn't tell you what those are. Come to think of it, I've never seen a PA-sticker on Queen II either and that definitely has some non-PC lyrics. I doubt it’s because of hangman all the recordings of hangman don’t have anything really bad in them. |
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Post by august on Oct 17, 2024 23:18:15 GMT
A woman expects a man to buckle down and to shovel..... I haven't seen the sticker on the album before. Maybe I wasn't looking. Are you sure it's a PA sticker? I mean, The Miracle box set had a sticker on it simply saying: "The Miracle Collector's Edition including LP, 5CDs etc..." And yes, I saved the sticker, and stack it inside the box. Like Brian, I think they are a part of the product. 
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 17, 2024 23:18:37 GMT
There hasn't been a sticker so far, I just assumed the guidelines for PA have changed but it could also be because of non-PC lyrics in Hangman, although I couldn't tell you what those are. Come to think of it, I've never seen a PA-sticker on Queen II either and that definitely has some non-PC lyrics. I doubt it’s because of hangman all the recordings of hangman don’t have anything really bad in them. Maybe some of the studio chatter on the sessions CD is a bit fruity? |
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Post by thesirhc on Oct 18, 2024 0:05:19 GMT
I haven't seen the sticker on the album before. Maybe I wasn't looking. Are you sure it's a PA sticker? I mean, The Miracle box set had a sticker on it simply saying: "The Miracle Collector's Edition including LP, 5CDs etc..." And yes, I saved the sticker, and stack it inside the box. Like Brian, I think they are a part of the product.
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Post by manymilesaway on Oct 18, 2024 3:34:30 GMT
It's because that was around the time that Brian realized he subconsciously based SWAFIB on a riff from another song. Once he did, that artist got a writing credit for SWAFIB. They probably just didn't wanna deal with the royalties involved for that for the boxset. I highly doubt it has anything to do with royalties. I'd say it's the sound quality - it gets very distorted in the middle of the song, as the tape gets overloaded for some reason. It's still listenable for us, but not by official release standards. No way that's the case. Kurgan shared his copy of the master for SWAFIB on his YouTube channel and it sounds just as good as the other songs. |
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Post by velizar on Oct 18, 2024 7:36:26 GMT
Well, we only know for certain from what we actually know. Just over a decade ago, we could have been 'absolutely certain' they never played The Fairy Fellers Master Stroke live - until it turned up! Who knows what further secrets might be unearthed from the vaults? Greg Brooks posted the list of what's in the archive on multi-track on QZ ages ago, and no doubt he was telling the truth. There is an extremely low probability that they 24-track recorded anything else 1974 or prior besides Rainbow. We may not have known the specifics of what songs they played at the March gig, but that's not the question he was responding to at the time Was November Rainbow even done on 24 track? March Rainbow was done on 16 track, and surely recording live is definitely, to a degree, bit more subpar than taping in a studio. |
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Post by alexlizzy on Oct 18, 2024 8:10:21 GMT
I Don't understand QPL sometimes. What do they gain from not including SWAFIB? I understand the copyright from the covers but not including on of their own songs is strange. It's because that was around the time that Brian realized he subconsciously based SWAFIB on a riff from another song. Once he did, that artist got a writing credit for SWAFIB. The artist never got a writing credit and probably never will. Brian just quietly faded that matter out  So, yeah, I also dont think this roaylties business has anything to do with it. There is no royalty issue here. |
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Post by alexlizzy on Oct 18, 2024 8:16:14 GMT
They're always thinking quality first * Looks at TNCD videoclip * mm... yeah.... |
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Post by alexlizzy on Oct 18, 2024 8:19:14 GMT
It's surprising there a lot of gaps in this period I've got to say. I always think there must be tapes of rehearsals that we don't know about. There must a tape of the band attempting songs they never played live or different arrangements. They must've attempted tons of songs for the News Of The World Tour. We know they rehearsed at least this much for the Works tour - and who knows if a recording exists: Great King Rat (longer version) Brighton Rock (full song) I'm In Love With My Car Sweet Lady White Man We Will Rock You (fast) Play The Game Need Your Loving Tonight Put Out The Fire Las Palabras de Amor Life Is Real (both Freddie solo piano and Freddie/Brian acoustic duet versions) Add me to the list of people who would kill to hear Queen attempting Sweet Lady and White Man in 1984. Vow, thats interesting, I never heard about this! Source? |
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Post by sander on Oct 18, 2024 9:56:35 GMT
He really said that Yeah - it was one or two shows 52 years earlier. How much do you remember from random nights 52 years ago ? And it's entirely possible that they skipped the song, which could mean Brian is technically right. Anyone who's played in a band knows that what's on the setlist may not be what happens at the gig, for any number of reasons. Without a recording or some other reliable written account, there's no proof that it happened. Also: thank you for posting this scan. I've never seen it in such high quality !! And it reveals that this one was tampered with more than a bit: And, just for fun (non-substantial addition), is that you can now see the writing on the other side of the memo, apparently used to navigate from Stockwell Manor, via the School (Stockwell Park High School??), to the Stockwell underground, together with a brief map sketch (location on google maps). |
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Post by august on Oct 18, 2024 11:19:48 GMT
Are you sure it's a PA sticker? I mean, The Miracle box set had a sticker on it simply saying: "The Miracle Collector's Edition including LP, 5CDs etc..." And yes, I saved the sticker, and stack it inside the box. Like Brian, I think they are a part of the product.
I can definitely read the word "Advisory" and the format is surely this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_AdvisoryAre we talking about the same sticker? I was thinking about the black sticker that can be seen on the upper right corner of the box set at the first seconds of Brian's unboxing video. Before he unwraps the plastic. It doesn't look like a PA sticker to me. I think it says "Queen I" and then something on a smaller print
BTW, how does one insert a still shot taken from a video in this forum? It would make discussions like this easier, and save a lot of time and trouble. Insert image function doesn't do that (or at least, I can't do it.)
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Post by pokemaniacjunk on Oct 18, 2024 11:29:59 GMT
Are we talking about the same sticker? I was thinking about the black sticker that can be seen on the upper right corner of the box set at the first seconds of Brian's unboxing video. Before he unwraps the plastic. It doesn't look like a PA sticker to me. I think it says "Queen I" and then something on a smaller print
BTW, how does one insert a still shot taken from a video in this forum? It would make discussions like this easier, and save a lot of time and trouble. Insert image function doesn't do that (or at least, I can't do it.)
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Post by august on Oct 18, 2024 12:18:47 GMT
Are we talking about the same sticker? I was thinking about the black sticker that can be seen on the upper right corner of the box set at the first seconds of Brian's unboxing video. Before he unwraps the plastic. It doesn't look like a PA sticker to me. I think it says "Queen I" and then something on a smaller print
BTW, how does one insert a still shot taken from a video in this forum? It would make discussions like this easier, and save a lot of time and trouble. Insert image function doesn't do that (or at least, I can't do it.)
![]() I think I see it now on the bottom right corner, Its quite easy to miss. Thanks! I see it now. I was talking about the the sticker on the upper corner. |
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So, yeah, I also dont think this roaylties business has anything to do with it. There is no royalty issue here.