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Post by scotttmax on Oct 27, 2024 21:43:11 GMT
I think maybe John just can’t be bothered anymore?
I mean he doesn’t need the money, and compared to B and R, is the least ‘productive’?
The guy doesn’t sing, yeah he wrote sone bangers, but in the main, wasn't a prolific songwriter, and a lot of the songs he wrote, had input from Freddie?
We’d all love to see him, or like someone else said, for him maybe to do an interview, but unfortunately, its unlikely to happen…
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Post by alexlizzy on Oct 28, 2024 12:07:31 GMT
For a long time I've had the strong suspicion that the actual time John decided to retire was around 99/200 and the real reason was his disagreement and disapproval on the certain project(s) and the overall direction Brian and Roger were going. Namely the Five collaboration was the very first project attributed to Queen that John did not participate in - and I think its simply because he disliked the very idea very strongly. Thats just my opinion, my hypothesis. Then Robbie Williams track came next and we all know he hated that too, that might have just cemented his decision. Because he did participate in everything before that, and maybe if the projects would continue to align with his "taste", he would have stick around for much longer.
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Post by scotttmax on Oct 28, 2024 12:53:11 GMT
For a long time I've had the strong suspicion that the actual time John decided to retire was around 99/200 and the real reason was his disagreement and disapproval on the certain project(s) and the overall direction Brian and Roger were going. Namely the Five collaboration was the very first project attributed to Queen that John did not participate in - and I think its simply because he disliked the very idea very strongly. Thats just my opinion, my hypothesis. Then Robbie Williams track came next and we all know he hated that too, that might have just cemented his decision. Because he did participate in everything before that, and maybe if the projects would continue to align with his "taste", he would have stick around for much longer. In my opinion, if they’d have carried on as a threesome, he’d still be playing with them today |
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Post by alexlizzy on Oct 28, 2024 13:06:48 GMT
For a long time I've had the strong suspicion that the actual time John decided to retire was around 99/200 and the real reason was his disagreement and disapproval on the certain project(s) and the overall direction Brian and Roger were going. Namely the Five collaboration was the very first project attributed to Queen that John did not participate in - and I think its simply because he disliked the very idea very strongly. Thats just my opinion, my hypothesis. Then Robbie Williams track came next and we all know he hated that too, that might have just cemented his decision. Because he did participate in everything before that, and maybe if the projects would continue to align with his "taste", he would have stick around for much longer. In my opinion, if they’d have carried on as a threesome, he’d still be playing with them today Yeah, maybe. It least for longer than we had him.... |
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Post by georg on Oct 28, 2024 16:16:39 GMT
For a long time I've had the strong suspicion that the actual time John decided to retire was around 99/200 and the real reason was his disagreement and disapproval on the certain project(s) and the overall direction Brian and Roger were going. Namely the Five collaboration was the very first project attributed to Queen that John did not participate in - and I think its simply because he disliked the very idea very strongly. Thats just my opinion, my hypothesis. Then Robbie Williams track came next and we all know he hated that too, that might have just cemented his decision. Because he did participate in everything before that, and maybe if the projects would continue to align with his "taste", he would have stick around for much longer. I’ve always found his Robbie Williams remark to be a little suspect. I don’t doubt he didn’t like the collab, but his comment seemed a little too “friend of a source close to Deacon’s eldest son said Deacon said…” I’m certain I’m wrong, but it just struck me as rather uncharacteristic of him to say anything at all about it. As the Real Wizard said elsewhere, they rarely aired their dirty laundry, and this was a rare instance of negativity and condemnation from John. I’m sure this collab (and probably the Five one before it) contributed to his decision to remove himself from the music side of things and retire. Thing is, there are often so many nuances going on between people – especially passionate, creative people who went on an absolutely wild ride for 20 years – that we’ll never know the true story. He very well may have been depressed throughout the 90s and opted to participate out of some loyalty to Freddie. He also may have developed a form of stage fright – Brian has said that the Bejart Ballet was his last live appearance with them, so maybe he felt that he just couldn’t do concerts anymore without Freddie. The Cowdray Ruins set may be an outlier; he probably enjoyed it because it wasn’t a traditional Queen gig, it was a little more relaxed so there wasn’t as much pressure, and he was able to slip away when he felt like it while the (rich) masses fawned over Phil Collins and Eric Clapton. This is all conjecture, of course. As I said, we’ll never know the story; honestly, at this point, I don’t know if I even want to know. I’m sure that if John didn’t like what Brian and Roger were saying about him he’d let them know, but the story has been pretty consistent over the last two decades. |
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Post by creepy on Oct 28, 2024 22:39:57 GMT
For a long time I've had the strong suspicion that the actual time John decided to retire was around 99/200 and the real reason was his disagreement and disapproval on the certain project(s) and the overall direction Brian and Roger were going. Namely the Five collaboration was the very first project attributed to Queen that John did not participate in - and I think its simply because he disliked the very idea very strongly. Thats just my opinion, my hypothesis. Then Robbie Williams track came next and we all know he hated that too, that might have just cemented his decision. Because he did participate in everything before that, and maybe if the projects would continue to align with his "taste", he would have stick around for much longer. I’ve always found his Robbie Williams remark to be a little suspect. I don’t doubt he didn’t like the collab, but his comment seemed a little too “friend of a source close to Deacon’s eldest son said Deacon said…” I’m certain I’m wrong, but it just struck me as rather uncharacteristic of him to say anything at all about it. As the Real Wizard said elsewhere, they rarely aired their dirty laundry, and this was a rare instance of negativity and condemnation from John. I’m sure this collab (and probably the Five one before it) contributed to his decision to remove himself from the music side of things and retire. Thing is, there are often so many nuances going on between people – especially passionate, creative people who went on an absolutely wild ride for 20 years – that we’ll never know the true story. He very well may have been depressed throughout the 90s and opted to participate out of some loyalty to Freddie. He also may have developed a form of stage fright – Brian has said that the Bejart Ballet was his last live appearance with them, so maybe he felt that he just couldn’t do concerts anymore without Freddie. The Cowdray Ruins set may be an outlier; he probably enjoyed it because it wasn’t a traditional Queen gig, it was a little more relaxed so there wasn’t as much pressure, and he was able to slip away when he felt like it while the (rich) masses fawned over Phil Collins and Eric Clapton. This is all conjecture, of course. As I said, we’ll never know the story; honestly, at this point, I don’t know if I even want to know. I’m sure that if John didn’t like what Brian and Roger were saying about him he’d let them know, but the story has been pretty consistent over the last two decades. I can deduce what John thinks about Adam Lambert. If he had a bad opinion of Robbie Williams, I think his opinion of Lambert must be what we're all thinking. It's possible that, despite everything, John is approving of what Brian and Roger are doing, but, let's be honest, I don't know what Adam Lambert is doing there. I can't even explain how he could accept the position he has. I think I'm digressing from the initial topic. Excuse me. |
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Post by vh on Oct 28, 2024 23:15:35 GMT
I’ve always found his Robbie Williams remark to be a little suspect. I don’t doubt he didn’t like the collab, but his comment seemed a little too “friend of a source close to Deacon’s eldest son said Deacon said…” I’m certain I’m wrong, but it just struck me as rather uncharacteristic of him to say anything at all about it. As the Real Wizard said elsewhere, they rarely aired their dirty laundry, and this was a rare instance of negativity and condemnation from John. I’m sure this collab (and probably the Five one before it) contributed to his decision to remove himself from the music side of things and retire. Thing is, there are often so many nuances going on between people – especially passionate, creative people who went on an absolutely wild ride for 20 years – that we’ll never know the true story. He very well may have been depressed throughout the 90s and opted to participate out of some loyalty to Freddie. He also may have developed a form of stage fright – Brian has said that the Bejart Ballet was his last live appearance with them, so maybe he felt that he just couldn’t do concerts anymore without Freddie. The Cowdray Ruins set may be an outlier; he probably enjoyed it because it wasn’t a traditional Queen gig, it was a little more relaxed so there wasn’t as much pressure, and he was able to slip away when he felt like it while the (rich) masses fawned over Phil Collins and Eric Clapton. This is all conjecture, of course. As I said, we’ll never know the story; honestly, at this point, I don’t know if I even want to know. I’m sure that if John didn’t like what Brian and Roger were saying about him he’d let them know, but the story has been pretty consistent over the last two decades. I can deduce what John thinks about Adam Lambert. If he had a bad opinion of Robbie Williams, I think his opinion of Lambert must be what we're all thinking. It's possible that, despite everything, John is approving of what Brian and Roger are doing, but, let's be honest, I don't know what Adam Lambert is doing there. I can't even explain how he could accept the position he has. I think I'm digressing from the initial topic. Excuse me. I think what you’re trying to say is that you think John’s opinion of Adam Lambert matches yours. However you don’t know that for certain, just like you don’t know what we’re all thinking. Williams and Lambert are two very different people with very different personalities and vocal abilities, and while John may not have liked Robbie Williams’ contribution to the band he hasn’t voiced an opinion on Lambert. We only have Roger and Brian’s remarks on what John thinks and I’m sure if they were speaking out of turn something would have been said to address the problem publicly. you may not know what Adam Lambert “is doing there” but millions of ticket holders since 2012 certainly know. Don’t worry you don’t have to explain how he could accept the position he has! |
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Post by creepy on Oct 29, 2024 0:13:03 GMT
I can deduce what John thinks about Adam Lambert. If he had a bad opinion of Robbie Williams, I think his opinion of Lambert must be what we're all thinking. It's possible that, despite everything, John is approving of what Brian and Roger are doing, but, let's be honest, I don't know what Adam Lambert is doing there. I can't even explain how he could accept the position he has. I think I'm digressing from the initial topic. Excuse me. I think what you’re trying to say is that you think John’s opinion of Adam Lambert matches yours. However you don’t know that for certain, just like you don’t know what we’re all thinking. Williams and Lambert are two very different people with very different personalities and vocal abilities, and while John may not have liked Robbie Williams’ contribution to the band he hasn’t voiced an opinion on Lambert. We only have Roger and Brian’s remarks on what John thinks and I’m sure if they were speaking out of turn something would have been said to address the problem publicly. you may not know what Adam Lambert “is doing there” but millions of ticket holders since 2012 certainly know. Don’t worry you don’t have to explain how he could accept the position he has! I have said what I have said. I have tried to say what I have said. John said that Freddie Mercury can NEVER be replaced. I believe that statement includes any singer. I think it is not crazy to think that if John didn't like Robbie Williams and claimed that Freddie couldn't NEVER be replaced, he would think something similar about Adam Lambert. I think so, but I may be wrong and he is delighted with Adam Lambert. I don't think so, I don't think he enjoys seeing Lambert in Freddie Mercury's place. My opinion on what John thinks is based on his own statements. Having said this, for me Adam Lambert should not take Freddie Mercury's place. I don't care about the millions of tickets they have sold since 2012. My opinion is not tied to the number of tickets Q+AL sells. If you consider the possibility that John Deacon likes Adam Lambert, ok, fine. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 29, 2024 0:59:35 GMT
I’ve always found his Robbie Williams remark to be a little suspect. I don’t doubt he didn’t like the collab, but his comment seemed a little too “friend of a source close to Deacon’s eldest son said Deacon said…” I’m certain I’m wrong, but it just struck me as rather uncharacteristic of him to say anything at all about it. As the Real Wizard said elsewhere, they rarely aired their dirty laundry, and this was a rare instance of negativity and condemnation from John. I’m sure this collab (and probably the Five one before it) contributed to his decision to remove himself from the music side of things and retire. Thing is, there are often so many nuances going on between people – especially passionate, creative people who went on an absolutely wild ride for 20 years – that we’ll never know the true story. He very well may have been depressed throughout the 90s and opted to participate out of some loyalty to Freddie. He also may have developed a form of stage fright – Brian has said that the Bejart Ballet was his last live appearance with them, so maybe he felt that he just couldn’t do concerts anymore without Freddie. The Cowdray Ruins set may be an outlier; he probably enjoyed it because it wasn’t a traditional Queen gig, it was a little more relaxed so there wasn’t as much pressure, and he was able to slip away when he felt like it while the (rich) masses fawned over Phil Collins and Eric Clapton. This is all conjecture, of course. As I said, we’ll never know the story; honestly, at this point, I don’t know if I even want to know. I’m sure that if John didn’t like what Brian and Roger were saying about him he’d let them know, but the story has been pretty consistent over the last two decades. I can deduce what John thinks about Adam Lambert. If he had a bad opinion of Robbie Williams, I think his opinion of Lambert must be what we're all thinking. It's possible that, despite everything, John is approving of what Brian and Roger are doing, but, let's be honest, I don't know what Adam Lambert is doing there. I can't even explain how he could accept the position he has. I think I'm digressing from the initial topic. Excuse me. Please don't assume "we're all" thinking the same as you. You clearly have an opinion on Adam Lambert, but many people do not share it, and furthermore, it doesn't belong in this thread. |
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Post by thecrazyworks on Oct 29, 2024 2:05:58 GMT
I can deduce what John thinks about Adam Lambert. If he had a bad opinion of Robbie Williams, I think his opinion of Lambert must be what we're all thinking. It's possible that, despite everything, John is approving of what Brian and Roger are doing, but, let's be honest, I don't know what Adam Lambert is doing there. I can't even explain how he could accept the position he has. I think I'm digressing from the initial topic. Excuse me. you may not know what Adam Lambert “is doing there” but millions of ticket holders since 2012 certainly know. Don’t worry you don’t have to explain how he could accept the position he has! The people want to see Brian and Roger, that´s why those tickets holders. Around the world Adam is a guy who sings with the remain half of Queen, nothing else. Only in the US know him well. |
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Post by thecrazyworks on Oct 29, 2024 2:10:50 GMT
I think what you’re trying to say is that you think John’s opinion of Adam Lambert matches yours. However you don’t know that for certain, just like you don’t know what we’re all thinking. Williams and Lambert are two very different people with very different personalities and vocal abilities, and while John may not have liked Robbie Williams’ contribution to the band he hasn’t voiced an opinion on Lambert. We only have Roger and Brian’s remarks on what John thinks and I’m sure if they were speaking out of turn something would have been said to address the problem publicly. you may not know what Adam Lambert “is doing there” but millions of ticket holders since 2012 certainly know. Don’t worry you don’t have to explain how he could accept the position he has! I have said what I have said. I have tried to say what I have said. John said that Freddie Mercury can NEVER be replaced. I believe that statement includes any singer. I think it is not crazy to think that if John didn't like Robbie Williams and claimed that Freddie couldn't NEVER be replaced, he would think something similar about Adam Lambert. I think so, but I may be wrong and he is delighted with Adam Lambert. I don't think so, I don't think he enjoys seeing Lambert in Freddie Mercury's place. My opinion on what John thinks is based on his own statements. Having said this, for me Adam Lambert should not take Freddie Mercury's place. I don't care about the millions of tickets they have sold since 2012. My opinion is not tied to the number of tickets Q+AL sells. If you consider the possibility that John Deacon likes Adam Lambert, ok, fine. Agree with this. In fact, I don't know if Adam is replacing Freddie, he just sings Queen songs with Brian and Roger. Unpopular opinion but, the number of tickets sold since 2012 is careless, it could be a disaster vocally and people would buy it, cause in fact you're going to see Queen, the half of it but is Queen. |
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Post by vh on Oct 29, 2024 2:15:39 GMT
I think what you’re trying to say is that you think John’s opinion of Adam Lambert matches yours. However you don’t know that for certain, just like you don’t know what we’re all thinking. Williams and Lambert are two very different people with very different personalities and vocal abilities, and while John may not have liked Robbie Williams’ contribution to the band he hasn’t voiced an opinion on Lambert. We only have Roger and Brian’s remarks on what John thinks and I’m sure if they were speaking out of turn something would have been said to address the problem publicly. you may not know what Adam Lambert “is doing there” but millions of ticket holders since 2012 certainly know. Don’t worry you don’t have to explain how he could accept the position he has! I have said what I have said. I have tried to say what I have said. John said that Freddie Mercury can NEVER be replaced. I believe that statement includes any singer. I think it is not crazy to think that if John didn't like Robbie Williams and claimed that Freddie couldn't NEVER be replaced, he would think something similar about Adam Lambert. I think so, but I may be wrong and he is delighted with Adam Lambert. I don't think so, I don't think he enjoys seeing Lambert in Freddie Mercury's place. My opinion on what John thinks is based on his own statements. Having said this, for me Adam Lambert should not take Freddie Mercury's place. I don't care about the millions of tickets they have sold since 2012. My opinion is not tied to the number of tickets Q+AL sells. If you consider the possibility that John Deacon likes Adam Lambert, ok, fine. I think he is probably fine with Adam Lambert, the tour have raised the Queen profile considerably, he’s still getting royalties on current records sales, he is also, quite possibly being payed performance royalties, on the songs he or the whole band is credited for, from the tours. Williams at the time was a clown who started doing a whole Freddie routine along with Magic Tour style vocal duals with his Audience. I think Brian and Roger distanced themselves quite quickly. Your opinions are based on what John has reportedly said about one person but you have decided, with no further evidence, that he doesn’t like/agree with the Q+AL tours! I see you avoided my point about you not being in a position where you can speak for other forum members and post unsubstantiated “facts”! The other thing you’re completely oblivious to is that before the Sony deal as directors of QP whoever was representing Freddie and with John onside they could probably have vetoed any Q+ touring which they didn’t. Since you’re into telling us what John said or thought what about the Freddie interview where he says if he wasn’t around the rest of them would carry on! That is basically what’s happening and they took a long time getting to the point of touring again. Also John performed at the Ballet and with Roger as Queen at Cowdrey, so where were the Freddie can’t be replaced thoughts when he was on stage with a different singer! |
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Post by creepy on Oct 29, 2024 8:48:05 GMT
I have said what I have said. I have tried to say what I have said. John said that Freddie Mercury can NEVER be replaced. I believe that statement includes any singer. I think it is not crazy to think that if John didn't like Robbie Williams and claimed that Freddie couldn't NEVER be replaced, he would think something similar about Adam Lambert. I think so, but I may be wrong and he is delighted with Adam Lambert. I don't think so, I don't think he enjoys seeing Lambert in Freddie Mercury's place. My opinion on what John thinks is based on his own statements. Having said this, for me Adam Lambert should not take Freddie Mercury's place. I don't care about the millions of tickets they have sold since 2012. My opinion is not tied to the number of tickets Q+AL sells. If you consider the possibility that John Deacon likes Adam Lambert, ok, fine. I think he is probably fine with Adam Lambert, the tour have raised the Queen profile considerably, he’s still getting royalties on current records sales, he is also, quite possibly being payed performance royalties, on the songs he or the whole band is credited for, from the tours. Williams at the time was a clown who started doing a whole Freddie routine along with Magic Tour style vocal duals with his Audience. I think Brian and Roger distanced themselves quite quickly. Your opinions are based on what John has reportedly said about one person but you have decided, with no further evidence, that he doesn’t like/agree with the Q+AL tours! I see you avoided my point about you not being in a position where you can speak for other forum members and post unsubstantiated “facts”! The other thing you’re completely oblivious to is that before the Sony deal as directors of QP whoever was representing Freddie and with John onside they could probably have vetoed any Q+ touring which they didn’t. Since you’re into telling us what John said or thought what about the Freddie interview where he says if he wasn’t around the rest of them would carry on! That is basically what’s happening and they took a long time getting to the point of touring again. Also John performed at the Ballet and with Roger as Queen at Cowdrey, so where were the Freddie can’t be replaced thoughts when he was on stage with a different singer! I'm surprised by the snub way in which you spoke to me. I have seen previous messages and I verify that this is not the first time you have done it. I'm sorry that my comments bother you so much. I still think I love the News of the world and The Miracle box sets. And I also still think it's cool that Brian May sang the final verse of Mother Love. If that bothers you so much, I'm really sorry. I'm going to answer you: * You say that John is "probably" fine with Adam Lambert. I think not, based on his alleged statements that Freddie could never be replaced. On the other hand, it seems misguided for you to compare a charity concert held in 1993 and a specific performance in 1997 with Elton John with a continuous tour for 10 years with a singer that no one knew until then. If you think they are comparable...... I think they are not comparable. * You say the Q+AL tour "has raised Queen's profile." I don't think so, that Queen's profile rose between 1971 and 1991. Adam Lambert has done nothing to raise Queen's profile. It's my opinion. Do I have to emphasize every time I write that it is my opinion? I think that you saying that Queen is bigger now (or has more status) than before Adam Lambert is a joke. * You say my opinions are based on what John supposedly said about a person but I have decided, without further evidence, that he doesn't like or agree with Q+AL tours. That's right, my opinions are based on the alleged statements of John Deacon. I also rely on the alleged statement he made right after Freddie died. He told a person close to him, supposedly that there was no point in continuing without Freddie. We are in a forum and much of what is said here is conjecture but I try to be respectful. Days ago I reproached another user who was talking about John's intimate life. Anyway, if the consensus is reached that those statements that John said after Freddie's death and years later about Robbie Williams are false, it will seem correct to me but I will still think that John does not like Adam Lambert. It's my opinion. I also dare say that the vast majority would agree with me that John doesn't like Adam Lambert. But, as I said in a previous comment that has been ignored, I may be wrong and John loves Adam Lambert. * You say that I speak on behalf of other forum members. Can you tell me exactly when I said I was speaking on behalf of other forum members? Please be precise in your answer. It seems to me that I am spending too much time answering you. It's all from me. However, if there is something I haven't answered, tell me and I'll answer it. PS: By the way, you have said that Robbie Williams was a clown but you have not said that it is your opinion but that you have taken it for granted. Do we all have to assume that Williams was a clown? I think no, we don't have to assume that, you were just giving your opinion. |
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Post by scotttmax on Oct 29, 2024 9:57:42 GMT
I don’t mind Adam…
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Post by rub3945 on Oct 29, 2024 10:11:30 GMT
Semi-related, but in my opinion, Robbie Williams is not a clown 🙂 I sadly wasn't alive to witness Freddie live, but I attended two Williams concerts last year and they're best shows I've ever been to (that includes Queen + Adam which I'd rank as 3rd best gig I've ever been to). Adam's hands down the better singer (one of the world's best!), but very few nowadays can come close to Robbie as a showman. But again, that's just my opinion 😉
I have to agree, in no way did John imply that he didn't like the Williams collaboration because he's a "clown". What I understood him to mean was simply that Freddie can't be replaced. Again, just my own interpretation and opinion 👍
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Post by jeroeng on Oct 29, 2024 11:13:46 GMT
How to make a thread about John into a thread about Adam.
Sigh...
Please, don't do it.
Just don't.
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Post by vh on Oct 29, 2024 12:00:41 GMT
Semi-related, but in my opinion, Robbie Williams is not a clown 🙂 I sadly wasn't alive to witness Freddie live, but I attended two Williams concerts last year and they're best shows I've ever been to (that includes Queen + Adam which I'd rank as 3rd best gig I've ever been to). Adam's hands down the better singer (one of the world's best!), but very few nowadays can come close to Robbie as a showman. But again, that's just my opinion 😉 I have to agree, in no way did John imply that he didn't like the Williams collaboration because he's a "clown". What I understood him to mean was simply that Freddie can't be replaced. Again, just my own interpretation and opinion 👍 My use of the word clown was my description of his character and not what I believed to be John Deacon’s view. At the hight of his fame when he was playing stadiums and Knebworth he used to chat to and have little jokes with people in the front row, doing this cuts off so much of the audience’s engagement. He also began doing a whole Freddie routine. I haven’t seen any of his later tours/shows and my comments were directed at that late 90’s early 2000’s period. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 29, 2024 12:11:57 GMT
Semi-related, but in my opinion, Robbie Williams is not a clown 🙂 I sadly wasn't alive to witness Freddie live, but I attended two Williams concerts last year and they're best shows I've ever been to (that includes Queen + Adam which I'd rank as 3rd best gig I've ever been to). Adam's hands down the better singer (one of the world's best!), but very few nowadays can come close to Robbie as a showman. But again, that's just my opinion 😉 I have to agree, in no way did John imply that he didn't like the Williams collaboration because he's a "clown". What I understood him to mean was simply that Freddie can't be replaced. Again, just my own interpretation and opinion 👍 My use of the word clown was my description of his character and not what I believed to be John Deacon’s view. At the hight of his fame when he was playing stadiums and Knebworth he used to chat to and have little jokes with people in the front row, doing this cuts off so much of the audience’s engagement. He also began doing a whole Freddie routine. I haven’t seen any of his later tours/shows and my comments were directed at that late 90’s early 2000’s period. I forget who said it, but: "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness". 😉 |
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Post by katby on Oct 29, 2024 12:15:50 GMT
For a long time I've had the strong suspicion that the actual time John decided to retire was around 99/200 and the real reason was his disagreement and disapproval on the certain project(s) and the overall direction Brian and Roger were going. Namely the Five collaboration was the very first project attributed to Queen that John did not participate in - and I think its simply because he disliked the very idea very strongly. Thats just my opinion, my hypothesis. Then Robbie Williams track came next and we all know he hated that too, that might have just cemented his decision. Because he did participate in everything before that, and maybe if the projects would continue to align with his "taste", he would have stick around for much longer. I’ve always found his Robbie Williams remark to be a little suspect. I don’t doubt he didn’t like the collab, but his comment seemed a little too “friend of a source close to Deacon’s eldest son said Deacon said…” I’m certain I’m wrong, but it just struck me as rather uncharacteristic of him to say anything at all about it. As the Real Wizard said elsewhere, they rarely aired their dirty laundry, and this was a rare instance of negativity and condemnation from John. I’m sure this collab (and probably the Five one before it) contributed to his decision to remove himself from the music side of things and retire. I just want to clarify that the quote is almost definitely genuine. I know for a fact that John Deacon attended the Popbitch party from where the quote originates and like most of the people there, he was quite drunk. That's probably why he was less discreet than usual.
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Post by vh on Oct 29, 2024 14:04:46 GMT
* You say the Q+AL tour "has raised Queen's profile." I don't think so, that Queen's profile rose between 1971 and 1991. Adam Lambert has done nothing to raise Queen's profile. It's my opinion. * You say that I speak on behalf of other forum members. Can you tell me exactly when I said I was speaking on behalf of other forum members? Please be precise in your answer. It seems to me that I am spending too much time answering you. It'sbr] First point first. In the US they are selling out venues that they failed to sell in 1982. Also they cancelled plans to tour America in 1984 because promoters weren’t prepared to book them into LA Forum or MSG type venues and take the risk of poor ticket sales. When they toured with Paul Rodgers they again failed to sell tickets in the volumes expected except for the UK and most of Europe. The tours (not one ten year tour) with Lambert in the US have been more successful than their 1982 tour or the two US tours with Paul Rogers. Around the rest of the world, again the ticket sales have equalled what Queen were doing in the 80’s and in some cases exceeded them. To say that Adam Lambert’s input hasn’t raised there profile is untrue. These tours together with the Bohemian Rhapsody film have made Queen more popular now then at any point in the last 30 years. Because they play to sold out arena and stadium sized venues they have become a popular and current live band and not a name that belongs in history. These successful tours filter through to record sales and downloads. Your second point. You have a short memory or maybe just selective. If you look back through the recent posts in this thread your comment with regards to what you have asked has been quoted in bold type by someone else, but just for you. . . Quote: If he had a bad opinion of Robbie Williams, I think his opinion of Lambert must be what we’re all thinking. Hope that’s precise enough for you. |
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Post by creepy on Oct 31, 2024 11:52:36 GMT
* You say the Q+AL tour "has raised Queen's profile." I don't think so, that Queen's profile rose between 1971 and 1991. Adam Lambert has done nothing to raise Queen's profile. It's my opinion. * You say that I speak on behalf of other forum members. Can you tell me exactly when I said I was speaking on behalf of other forum members? Please be precise in your answer. It seems to me that I am spending too much time answering you. It'sbr] First point first. In the US they are selling out venues that they failed to sell in 1982. Also they cancelled plans to tour America in 1984 because promoters weren’t prepared to book them into LA Forum or MSG type venues and take the risk of poor ticket sales. When they toured with Paul Rodgers they again failed to sell tickets in the volumes expected except for the UK and most of Europe. The tours (not one ten year tour) with Lambert in the US have been more successful than their 1982 tour or the two US tours with Paul Rogers. Around the rest of the world, again the ticket sales have equalled what Queen were doing in the 80’s and in some cases exceeded them. To say that Adam Lambert’s input hasn’t raised there profile is untrue. These tours together with the Bohemian Rhapsody film have made Queen more popular now then at any point in the last 30 years. Because they play to sold out arena and stadium sized venues they have become a popular and current live band and not a name that belongs in history. These successful tours filter through to record sales and downloads. Your second point. You have a short memory or maybe just selective. If you look back through the recent posts in this thread your comment with regards to what you have asked has been quoted in bold type by someone else, but just for you. . . Quote: If he had a bad opinion of Robbie Williams, I think his opinion of Lambert must be what we’re all thinking. Hope that’s precise enough for you. I do not speak on behalf of anyone, only on my own. You are doing the straw man fallacy, just I say "we're all thinking" doesn't mean I'm speaking on behalf of everyone. It's a way of speaking, which is probably not the most correct, but it doesn't mean what you're saying. That being said, I dare say that there is not a single person on this forum, not a single one, who believes that John Deacon likes Adam Lambert. I don't have the slightest doubt. That includes you. You know John Deacon doesn't like seeing Adam Lambert in Freddie's place. You can say what you want. Finally, when you say that Queen goes better with Adam Lambert than with Freddie Mercury and John Deacon, I'm not going to answer you. If you want to do another one for me, I will be delighted. I'm not going to waste my time doing that. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 31, 2024 12:27:24 GMT
I do not speak on behalf of anyone, only on my own. You are doing the straw man fallacy, just I say "we're all thinking" doesn't mean I'm speaking on behalf of everyone. It's a way of speaking, which is probably not the most correct, but it doesn't mean what you're saying. Sorry, but that literally means what it says. You've contradicted yourself in one sentence. You can't post one thing and then say it meant something else. What else does "We're all thinking" mean if it doesn't apply to "us all", as in a collective? That being said, I dare say that there is not a single person on this forum, not a single one, who believes that John Deacon likes Adam Lambert. I don't have the slightest doubt. That includes you. You know John Deacon doesn't like seeing Adam Lambert in Freddie's place. You can say what you want. Another ridiculous statement. How can you possibly know what other people on this forum think, let alone what John Deacon thinks? And coming back and saying "that's my opinion" won't wash. You are presenting it as a statement of fact which you cannot possibly know to be true. Finally, when you say that Queen does better with Adam Lambert than with Freddie Mercury, I'm not going to answer you. If you want to do another one for me, I will be delighted. I'm not going to waste my time doing that. Allow me to refresh your incredibly selective memory: To say that Adam Lambert’s input hasn’t raised there profile is untrue. These tours together with the Bohemian Rhapsody film have made Queen more popular now then at any point in the last 30 years. At what point is it stated that "Queen does better with Adam Lambert than with Freddie Mercury"? The comment related to the last 30 years, ie, since Freddie Mercury died. I suggest that you consider your wording and phrasing more carefully in future. The written word comes across more literally than when spoken, and when challenged, you can't just come back and say you were misinterpreted, or it's just 'your opinion'. This forum is for debate and discussion, and presenting your 'opinons' as indisputable (and largely incorrect) facts is not the best way to make yourself welcomed in this community. |
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Post by creepy on Oct 31, 2024 12:54:25 GMT
To say that Adam Lambert’s input hasn’t raised there profile is untrue. These tours together with the Bohemian Rhapsody film have made Queen more popular now then at any point in the last 30 years. At what point is it started that "Queen does better with Adam Lambert than with Freddie Mercury"? The comment related to the last 30 years, ie, since Freddie Mercury died. I suggest that you consider your wording and phrasing more carefully in future. The written word comes across more literally than when spoken, and when challenged, you can't just come back and say you were misinterpreted, or it's just 'your opinion'. This forum is for debate and discussion, and presenting your 'opinons' as indisputable (and largely incorrect) facts is not the best way to make yourself welcomed in this community. Lord Flicke, you are a manipulator. I have responded to this message: "The tours (not one ten year tour) with Lambert in the US have been more successful than their 1982 tour or the two US tours with Paul Rogers. Around the rest of the world, again the ticket sales have equaled what Queen were doing in the 80's and in some cases exceeded them." You take the text selectively. It's not right to do that. |
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Post by creepy on Oct 31, 2024 12:55:22 GMT
I do not speak on behalf of anyone, only on my own. You are doing the straw man fallacy, just I say "we're all thinking" doesn't mean I'm speaking on behalf of everyone. It's a way of speaking, which is probably not the most correct, but it doesn't mean what you're saying. Sorry, but that literally means what it says. You've contradicted yourself in one sentence. You can't post one thing and then say it meant something else. What else does "We're all thinking" mean if it doesn't apply to "us all", as in a collective? That being said, I dare say that there is not a single person on this forum, not a single one, who believes that John Deacon likes Adam Lambert. I don't have the slightest doubt. That includes you. You know John Deacon doesn't like seeing Adam Lambert in Freddie's place. You can say what you want. Another ridiculous statement. How can you possibly know what other people on this forum think, let alone what John Deacon thinks? And coming back and saying "that's my opinion" won't wash. You are presenting it as a statement of fact which you cannot possibly know to be true. Finally, when you say that Queen does better with Adam Lambert than with Freddie Mercury, I'm not going to answer you. If you want to do another one for me, I will be delighted. I'm not going to waste my time doing that. Allow me to refresh your incredibly selective memory: To say that Adam Lambert’s input hasn’t raised there profile is untrue. These tours together with the Bohemian Rhapsody film have made Queen more popular now then at any point in the last 30 years. At what point is it stated that "Queen does better with Adam Lambert than with Freddie Mercury"? The comment related to the last 30 years, ie, since Freddie Mercury died. I suggest that you consider your wording and phrasing more carefully in future. The written word comes across more literally than when spoken, and when challenged, you can't just come back and say you were misinterpreted, or it's just 'your opinion'. This forum is for debate and discussion, and presenting your 'opinons' as indisputable (and largely incorrect) facts is not the best way to make yourself welcomed in this community. Lord Flicke, I take your message as an invitation to leave the forum. That's what I'm going to do. I'm only going to ask you one thing. Don't delete anything I've written. I would love for everyone to be able to read what I have written and what you and the other user have responded. You won't have any problem complying with my request, right? I will not write more here. Greetings to all the good people here and to all those who have addressed me in a kind way (I am now thinking of more than one person who has done so). Greetings to them. A pleasure to have met you. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 31, 2024 13:13:43 GMT
Sorry, but that literally means what it says. You've contradicted yourself in one sentence. You can't post one thing and then say it meant something else. What else does "We're all thinking" mean if it doesn't apply to "us all", as in a collective? Another ridiculous statement. How can you possibly know what other people on this forum think, let alone what John Deacon thinks? And coming back and saying "that's my opinion" won't wash. You are presenting it as a statement of fact which you cannot possibly know to be true. Allow me to refresh your incredibly selective memory: At what point is it stated that "Queen does better with Adam Lambert than with Freddie Mercury"? The comment related to the last 30 years, ie, since Freddie Mercury died. I suggest that you consider your wording and phrasing more carefully in future. The written word comes across more literally than when spoken, and when challenged, you can't just come back and say you were misinterpreted, or it's just 'your opinion'. This forum is for debate and discussion, and presenting your 'opinons' as indisputable (and largely incorrect) facts is not the best way to make yourself welcomed in this community. Lord Flicke, I take your message as an invitation to leave the forum. That's what I'm going to do. I'm only going to ask you one thing. Don't delete anything I've written. I would love for everyone to be able to read what I have written and what you and the other user have responded. You won't have any problem complying with my request, right? I will not write more here. Greetings to all the good people here and to all those who have addressed me in a kind way (I am now thinking of more than one person who has done so). Greetings to them. A pleasure to have met you. Once again, you've interpreted things that weren't said in your own way. I did not "invite you to leave" the forum, but suggested that you might want to consider your words more carefully, so as not to attract animosity. However, if you wish to leave, that is your perogative, and I wish you well. As requested, your posts will remain visible on the forum. |
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Post by vh on Oct 31, 2024 13:18:45 GMT
First point first. In the US they are selling out venues that they failed to sell in 1982. Also they cancelled plans to tour America in 1984 because promoters weren’t prepared to book them into LA Forum or MSG type venues and take the risk of poor ticket sales. When they toured with Paul Rodgers they again failed to sell tickets in the volumes expected except for the UK and most of Europe. The tours (not one ten year tour) with Lambert in the US have been more successful than their 1982 tour or the two US tours with Paul Rogers. Around the rest of the world, again the ticket sales have equalled what Queen were doing in the 80’s and in some cases exceeded them. To say that Adam Lambert’s input hasn’t raised there profile is untrue. These tours together with the Bohemian Rhapsody film have made Queen more popular now then at any point in the last 30 years. Because they play to sold out arena and stadium sized venues they have become a popular and current live band and not a name that belongs in history. These successful tours filter through to record sales and downloads. Your second point. You have a short memory or maybe just selective. If you look back through the recent posts in this thread your comment with regards to what you have asked has been quoted in bold type by someone else, but just for you. . . Quote: If he had a bad opinion of Robbie Williams, I think his opinion of Lambert must be what we’re all thinking. Hope that’s precise enough for you. I do not speak on behalf of anyone, only on my own. You are doing the straw man fallacy, just I say "we're all thinking" doesn't mean I'm speaking on behalf of everyone. It's a way of speaking, which is probably not the most correct, but it doesn't mean what you're saying. That being said, I dare say that there is not a single person on this forum, not a single one, who believes that John Deacon likes Adam Lambert. I don't have the slightest doubt. That includes you. You know John Deacon doesn't like seeing Adam Lambert in Freddie's place. You can say what you want. Finally, when you say that Queen goes better with Adam Lambert than with Freddie Mercury and John Deacon, I'm not going to answer you. If you want to do another one for me, I will be delighted. I'm not going to waste my time doing that. It isn’t a question of whether John Deacon likes Adam Lambert. He doesn’t have to. Liking someone is very different to being ok with their involvement in something. Please go back over my posts and quote me to prove I’ve said what you are now claiming! If you think you are being pressured to leave you must be aware of something that isn’t there. You’ve asked that your posts be left up, I hope they are because they prove your argument and reasoning hold less water than a wicker basket. Are you leaving or just running because you’re losing your argument? |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 31, 2024 13:18:54 GMT
At what point is it started that "Queen does better with Adam Lambert than with Freddie Mercury"? The comment related to the last 30 years, ie, since Freddie Mercury died. I suggest that you consider your wording and phrasing more carefully in future. The written word comes across more literally than when spoken, and when challenged, you can't just come back and say you were misinterpreted, or it's just 'your opinion'. This forum is for debate and discussion, and presenting your 'opinons' as indisputable (and largely incorrect) facts is not the best way to make yourself welcomed in this community. Lord Flicke, you are a manipulator. I have responded to this message: "The tours (not one ten year tour) with Lambert in the US have been more successful than their 1982 tour or the two US tours with Paul Rogers. Around the rest of the world, again the ticket sales have equaled what Queen were doing in the 80's and in some cases exceeded them." You take the text selectively. It's not right to do that. Then you should have made it clear as to the point you were responding to. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 31, 2024 13:23:57 GMT
creepy - I had disabled your account for security reasons, but I have re-enabled it in order for you to respond to the above from vh, which I believe is only fair.
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Post by vh on Oct 31, 2024 13:25:39 GMT
I do not speak on behalf of anyone, only on my own. You are doing the straw man fallacy, just I say "we're all thinking" doesn't mean I'm speaking on behalf of everyone. It's a way of speaking, which is probably not the most correct, but it doesn't mean what you're saying. That being said, I dare say that there is not a single person on this forum, not a single one, who believes that John Deacon likes Adam Lambert. I don't have the slightest doubt. That includes you. You know John Deacon doesn't like seeing Adam Lambert in Freddie's place. You can say what you want. Finally, when you say that Queen goes better with Adam Lambert than with Freddie Mercury and John Deacon, I'm not going to answer you. If you want to do another one for me, I will be delighted. I'm not going to waste my time doing that. It isn’t a question of whether John Deacon likes Adam Lambert. He doesn’t have to. Liking someone is very different to being ok with their involvement in something. Please go back over my posts and quote me to prove I’ve said what you are now claiming! At what point in the history of this site (or the one that preceded it) have I ever said “Queen goes better with Lambert than with Freddie and John” stop inventing quotes to try and gain the upper hand, you’ve done this over and over. If you think you are being pressured to leave you must be aware of something that isn’t there. You’ve asked that your posts be left up, I hope they are because they prove your argument and reasoning hold less water than a wicker basket. Are you leaving or just running because you’re losing your argument? |
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