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Post by rogermeddowstaylor on Aug 26, 2020 10:32:28 GMT
AS we all know expectations were extremly high on Freddie's part for this album. He was offered millions and much more then for any Queen record that time. He struggled an immense lot with writing material for this album. He just couldn't find lyrics, finish songs or come up with material. He was pressured to say the least. How can an album come to fruition under these circumstances? No chance.
He did what he could while dealing with his HIV diagnose, Live Aid and what not was going on in 1985. When the album bummed it was available in the low budget corner for a very long time. Selling the record for 5 dollars at best in the corner of the shops. I bought my copy right there. It contains some brilliant stuff to me, honestly, but I believe that Freddie would and could have done better if he would have released an album in the 1970's and if he would not have had all that pressure on his shoulders. Just a nice solo album on the side with all his stuff that was rejected by a Queen release.
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Post by rogermeddowstaylor on Aug 26, 2020 10:34:27 GMT
I'm not a rock fan at all, yet I think their early albums were marvellous. The reason was a lot of softer material such as ''39' and 'White Queen'. Then I really wonder why you signed up for a Queen Fan Forum?? Queen is THE biggest rock band on the planet.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 26, 2020 10:43:43 GMT
I'm not a rock fan at all, yet I think their early albums were marvellous. The reason was a lot of softer material such as ''39' and 'White Queen'. Then I really wonder why you signed up for a Queen Fan Forum?? Queen is THE biggest rock band on the planet. Queen are not just a rock band. They encapsulate many genres, as can be heard by comparing Hammer To Fall to, say, AOBTD or Radio Ga Ga. I know plenty of people who are not 'rock' fans, per se, but still enjoy Queen's music.
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Post by rogermeddowstaylor on Aug 26, 2020 11:43:00 GMT
Then I really wonder why you signed up for a Queen Fan Forum?? Queen is THE biggest rock band on the planet. Queen are not just a rock band. They encapsulate many genres, as can be heard by comparing Hammer To Fall to, say, AOBTD or Radio Ga Ga. I know plenty of people who are not 'rock' fans, per se, but still enjoy Queen's music. Of course they do so. I know so as well. But that is a fan's opinion. In general terms they are declared a rock band. In every Hall of Fame, News outlet, Encyclopedia, Documentary etc. etc. they are labeled as a rock band and nothing else. I was referring to what the world and press has labeled Queen in general and not by what we (the fans) think. Overall Queen are a rock band. They have incorporated different styles but these styles have not dominated their overall performance over the decades. Queen are not by definition a ProgRock Band or a Synth Pop Band, Jazz Band, BLues Band etc. They have earned their reputation in the halls of fame by being a Rock Band. Thart's their general label.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 26, 2020 12:35:41 GMT
Queen are not just a rock band. They encapsulate many genres, as can be heard by comparing Hammer To Fall to, say, AOBTD or Radio Ga Ga. I know plenty of people who are not 'rock' fans, per se, but still enjoy Queen's music. Of course they do so. I know so as well. But that is a fan's opinion. In general terms they are declared a rock band. In every Hall of Fame, News outlet, Encyclopedia, Documentary etc. etc. they are labeled as a rock band and nothing else. I was referring to what the world and press has labeled Queen in general and not by what we (the fans) think. Overall Queen are a rock band. They have incorporated different styles but these styles have not dominated their overall performance over the decades. Queen are not by definition a ProgRock Band or a Synth Pop Band, Jazz Band, BLues Band etc. They have earned their reputation in the halls of fame by being a Rock Band. Thart's their general label. You were questioning why someone who is not a 'rock' fan would join a Queen forum. Well, the answer is exactly what I said. You don't have to like rock music to like Queen, as their appeal is to a much wider audience than just 'rock' fans, hence their worldwide success.
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Post by pg on Aug 26, 2020 16:53:05 GMT
He did what he could while dealing with his HIV diagnose, Live Aid and what not was going on in 1985. How does any of that impact on the difficulty of writing the songs (which was completed by early 1985?)
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Post by kimmlogan on Aug 28, 2020 10:58:08 GMT
for me (as a Queen fan of 46 years) - 11 years at the time MBG was released, it's certainly not a feeling of hate. it's more about being underwhelmed. I really looked forward to this LP (at the time of release), and really couldn't believe the lacklustre impression it left. Queen had always been very dynamic, plotting their own course with very a very innovative/unique sound. MBG (along with HS and Works) was following the pack, rather than leading. MBG has some lazy writing, poor production and some very average playing by the hired hands. Some of the songs (not all) had great potential - as evidence on Queen's Mad In Heaven album. once the quality control and decent musicians are involved (Deacon, May, Taylor) - IMO these songs come alive. I think Freddie learned from this experience. For his next LP (Barcelona) he worked with consummate professionals and the result was something of great quality. Yeah I agree with much of this. At the same time, I feel like Queen fans as opposed to Freddie fans had some different tastes in music. Queen fans had a narrower rock taste, where Freddie fans had a wider taste. But I gotta agree. I don’t think the musicians were particularly good and production was a little cheesy. I don’t agree though that adding Deacon, May Taylor made things better at all. They just “queenified” it. Freddie didn’t want it to sound like Queen and quite frankly neither did I. I still prefer Freddie’s projection of it even though it could’ve been done better.
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Post by kimmlogan on Aug 28, 2020 11:02:06 GMT
I'm not a rock fan at all, yet I think their early albums were marvellous. The reason was a lot of softer material such as ''39' and 'White Queen'. Then I really wonder why you signed up for a Queen Fan Forum?? Queen is THE biggest rock band on the planet. I don’t think they’re a rock band. I think mostly because of Freddie they fit in within various genres.
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Post by kimmlogan on Aug 28, 2020 11:10:39 GMT
Of course they do so. I know so as well. But that is a fan's opinion. In general terms they are declared a rock band. In every Hall of Fame, News outlet, Encyclopedia, Documentary etc. etc. they are labeled as a rock band and nothing else. I was referring to what the world and press has labeled Queen in general and not by what we (the fans) think. Overall Queen are a rock band. They have incorporated different styles but these styles have not dominated their overall performance over the decades. Queen are not by definition a ProgRock Band or a Synth Pop Band, Jazz Band, BLues Band etc. They have earned their reputation in the halls of fame by being a Rock Band. Thart's their general label. You were questioning why someone who is not a 'rock' fan would join a Queen forum. Well, the answer is exactly what I said. You don't have to like rock music to like Queen, as their appeal is to a much wider audience than just 'rock' fans, hence their worldwide success. . Exactly. If I had to be put in a box, I’m mostly a classic R & B , blues and jazz standards fan. But also as someone who grew up with 60/70’s radio in the US, Rock is part of my life’s soundtrack. Queen was special, unique.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 28, 2020 11:56:47 GMT
Then I really wonder why you signed up for a Queen Fan Forum?? Queen is THE biggest rock band on the planet. I don’t think they’re a rock band. I think mostly because of Freddie they fit in within various genres. well, i'd say that Queen were a classic rock band in every sense. straddling genres is what classic rock bands do best. you only have to listen to Zeppelin, Genesis, Yes, Eagles, - even Purple, they all ventured in and out of different styles of music. doing dance/funk/classical/folk/country etc doesn't change the heart of the band itself - these were just experiments and diversions to develop the band. some worked, some didn't. back when Queen were making more of what most would call rock music, their albums were littered with vaudeville, dixieland jazz, country, ragtime, psychedelia, glam, blues, prog, soul, pop and opera. that's pretty much what a talented and developing classic rock band would be all about.
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Post by kimmlogan on Aug 28, 2020 17:06:20 GMT
I don’t think they’re a rock band. I think mostly because of Freddie they fit in within various genres. well, i'd say that Queen were a classic rock band in every sense. straddling genres is what classic rock bands do best. you only have to listen to Zeppelin, Genesis, Yes, Eagles, - even Purple, they all ventured in and out of different styles of music. doing dance/funk/classical/folk/country etc doesn't change the heart of the band itself - these were just experiments and diversions to develop the band. some worked, some didn't. back when Queen were making more of what most would call rock music, their albums were littered with vaudeville, dixieland jazz, country, ragtime, psychedelia, glam, blues, prog, soul, pop and opera. that's pretty much what a talented and developing classic rock band would be all about. I'm understand that argument. But really what you are describing is progressive rock, not classic. My understanding of rock or classic rock, is that it is more stripped down and basic, and before the 80’s with a few exceptions... which Queen certainly did, but they went beyond that. I think that certainly at the heart of it Brian and Roger were pure rockers. However, I think Freddie wasn't, he liked Jimi Hendrix which I believe was a more of a progressive blues-rock, and I think what attracted Freddie to Hendrix was his style and showmanship. Beyond that, I think most of his musical influences laid elsewhere, and I think ultimately Queen was more reflective of Freddie than Brian and Roger, all though of course they too had their token rocker songs and influences.
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Post by pg on Aug 28, 2020 20:38:10 GMT
I feel like Queen fans as opposed to Freddie fans had some different tastes in music. Queen fans had a narrower rock taste, where Freddie fans had a wider taste. Er. What?What was the entry point to Freddie for these non-Queen "Freddie fans"? The disco stylings of Love Kills, the disco stylings of I Was Born To Love You, or the disco stylings of Living On My Own? Further explain to me the precise narrowness of the window that includes Seaside Rendezvous and Stone Cold Crazy. Or Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy and Sheer Heart Attack. Or Dreamer's Ball and Fat Bottomed Girls. Or I Want To Break Free and Ogre Battle. Or Bohemian Rhapsody and Bohemian Rhapsody. One thing I can guarantee you - there weren't many of them. The number of people who didn't like Queen but bought MBG will have been miniscule (no evidence for this).
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Post by Frank on Sept 2, 2020 3:25:44 GMT
The notion that "Freddie fans" had a wider taste than "Queen fans" is preposterous. We all know (or I would hope) that it was the four of them that brought together a rich and eclectic collection of songs. Yes, Freddie's songwriting was often adventurous, but you mix that will all of the other ingredients, such as Brian's space folk '39, John's funky AOBTD, and even Roger's odd pop ditty Radio Gaga, and you get Queen, or whatever Queen is. You can never quite put your thumb on it, can you? And what's so brilliant to my mind is that Queen took rock and roll and made it whatever the hell they wanted it to be. Yes, you could argue that Freddie pushed the band, but he didn't always have to. Sometimes they pushed him, even. They worked well together because they each had different ideas and shared an ambition to break boundaries...together. Also, the hell with dividing the fan base into this camp and that camp. It's all good.
Regarding Mr. Bad Guy, the production and backing musicians leave much to be desired. The new remaster though gives it a little more depth and life. Normally, I'd say you can't polish a turd. But the album never really was crap. I think it was simply a product of its time and Freddie may have bitten off more than he could chew at the time. Still, there are some great tracks, particularly the ballads. And his voice was in great shape for this one.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 2, 2020 7:31:22 GMT
At the same time, I feel like Queen fans as opposed to Freddie fans had some different tastes in music. Queen fans had a narrower rock taste, where Freddie fans had a wider taste. whoa there! i would think the very reason that most of us got into Queen was because they were different, diverse and stuck out from the crowd in the way they did. But really what you are describing is progressive rock, not classic. My understanding of rock or classic rock, is that it is more stripped down and basic, and before the 80’s with a few exceptions... which Queen certainly did, but they went beyond that. well, i genuinely think you're the only one understanding that. because everyone i know refers to Queen, Zep, Purple and Eagles as classic rock. venturing into other genres is not the sole definition of prog rock.
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Post by oreno on Sept 2, 2020 9:24:01 GMT
I actually wonder if the aim was for Mr Bad Guy to appeal to non-rock fans, the type of record buyers who had hoovered up millions of copies of "Queen Greatest Hits" and maybe bought The Works, or at least had bought/liked the (pop) singles for The Works.
When Hammer To Fall was released in the UK, Love Kills was also in the charts. In fact they were played on the same Top of the Pops. Apart from hardcore Queen fans, those two records were probably not appealing to the same casual buyer in 1985.
As Queen fans we're guilty sometimes of seeing everything through a particular prism. In 84/5, Queen were quite simply a pop group with some heavy songs. The people who bought bucketloads of Radio Ga Ga and Break Free didn't give a flying fig about March of the Black Queen or The Prophets Song. I would say these were the target audience for MBG.
However, if the aim was for Mr Bad Guy to be a US smash, I don't quite know what they were thinking. Successful dancefloor friendly pop-rock in the US tended to be produced by elite teams of extremely focused writers and producers.
Whereas some MBG songs sounded like Freddie and Mack improvising with two synth chords and a drum machine for an afternoon (and by all accounts, often was). Against the likes of Madonna or Billy Ocean, this was never going to take off. Ironically it was probably something like the meticulous studio Queen machine of the past that Freddie needed to make MBG a big success, but it was exactly this level of interference and song/track rewriting and polishing that he was keen to get away from.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 14:27:34 GMT
Frederick had a magnificent voice and was an extraordinarily creative person. Perhaps he thought that was enough but, alas, it wasn't.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 3, 2020 4:45:37 GMT
I feel like Queen fans as opposed to Freddie fans had some different tastes in music. Queen fans had a narrower rock taste, where Freddie fans had a wider taste. I think mostly because of Freddie they fit in within various genres. I think that certainly at the heart of it Brian and Roger were pure rockers. I think ultimately Queen was more reflective of Freddie than Brian and Roger Have you even listened to the first seven Queen albums? I mean, actually listened beyond Freddie Mercury's vocals, to take in the breadth of Brian May's musical vocabulary, adaptability, and understanding of harmony? Forgive me for being so blunt, but if these are genuinely your views of Queen's music, then it sounds like you may need to start a Freddie Mercury forum, because your posts in the various threads on this forum (one of which had to be locked) indicate that you actually have very little interest in (or knowledge of) Queen, not to mention massively underestimating the musical intellect of people who have spent decades enjoying and dissecting their work.
Considering how you minimize the roles the other band members played in the composition and execution of their music, it's not hard to see now how you think two of them are money grubbers hanging off the coattails of the almighty singer and self-proprietor of the band they themselves created.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 12:53:15 GMT
'Dear Friends' is a pure rocker, I suppose. So is 'Dancer'. And ''39'. And, of course, 'Some Day, One Day', 'Teo Torriatte', 'Good Company', 'Las Palabras de Amor', 'Butterfly', 'Some Things That Glitter', 'Who Wants to Live Forever', 'Marriage of Dale and Ming', 'Let Your Heart Rule Your Head', 'The Wilderness', 'Just One Life', 'I Dream of Christmas'...
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 3, 2020 14:27:22 GMT
'Dear Friends' is a pure rocker, I suppose. So is 'Dancer'. And ''39'. And, of course, 'Some Day, One Day', 'Teo Torriatte', 'Good Company', 'Las Palabras de Amor', 'Butterfly', 'Some Things That Glitter', 'Who Wants to Live Forever', 'Marriage of Dale and Ming', 'Let Your Heart Rule Your Head', 'The Wilderness', 'Just One Life', 'I Dream of Christmas'... you're sorely mistaken: Some Day, One Day is quite obviously death metal
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Post by leroybrown on Sept 6, 2020 1:23:57 GMT
Lockdown in S.E Australia includes 8pm curfews, only 1 hour outdoors per day, no friends visiting your home, and you may only travel a maximum of 5km/3miles radius from your home. Police are pulling people over and checking details and smashing down peoples front doors if they believe you have broken rules. They recently arrested a pregnant mother in her home because she posted a protest message on facebook. I have been seeking ways to find some mindfulness amongst this madness. I am currently cataloging my Freddie solo material. My aim is to rediscover his solo work by collating listenable albums (i.e. they include mixes and versions of comparable quality that fit together well as an album). So this also means reducing the number of remixes (e.g. Living on My Own) so the track list does not become repetitions. I have retained the original Mr Bad Guy as a single album w/ no extra tracks. I have kept the ‘Special Edition’ album as another single album, but titled it ‘Mr. Bad Guy [Nude mix]’. It is very much a ‘Stripped’ mix of the album, and more timeless than the original release. Then there is the remains songs/mixes I enjoy, which I have collated in to a 2-sided expanded edition. - Side 1 is the original extended versions and the odd ‘Early version’ (e.g. Your Kind of Lover). I aimed to fill up an almost complete tracks listing that mirrors the original album. - Side 2 are the remaining tracks that I feel sound great (e.g. My Love Is Dangerous Lord-Alge mix). What do you think of the track listing and the sequence?
I felt like ‘Never Boring’ is a terrible title for an album. Just the word ‘Boring’ in a title is totally unsuitable. I know it is a reference to Freddie requesting "they do anything with his music, but never make him boring”. So I have taken a Freddie reference I feel is more suitable. I am naming this collection of 1985 music ‘Mr. Bad Guy…the Bigger the Better’.
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Post by macduff77 on Sept 6, 2020 5:36:13 GMT
Looks pretty cool. Reminds me I need to go back and re-listen to some of those demos and outtakes. I assume you purposely left off The Great Pretender and the Barcelona material? I’ve always admired the Malouf mix of TGP - I find it superior to the original. Lockdown in S.E Australia includes 8pm curfews, only 1 hour outdoors per day, no friends visiting your home, and you may only travel a maximum of 5km/3miles radius from your home. Police are pulling people over and checking details and smashing down peoples front doors if they believe you have broken rules. They recently arrested a pregnant mother in her home because she posted a protest message on facebook. I have been seeking ways to find some mindfulness amongst this madness. I am currently cataloging my Freddie solo material. My aim is to rediscover his solo work by collating listenable albums (i.e. they include mixes and versions of comparable quality that fit together well as an album). So this also means reducing the number of remixes (e.g. Living on My Own) so the track list does not become repetitions. I have retained the original Mr Bad Guy as a single album w/ no extra tracks. I have kept the ‘Special Edition’ album as another single album, but titled it ‘Mr. Bad Guy [Nude mix]’. It is very much a ‘Stripped’ mix of the album, and more timeless than the original release. Then there is the remains songs/mixes I enjoy, which I have collated in to a 2-sided expanded edition. - Side 1 is the original extended versions and the odd ‘Early version’ (e.g. Your Kind of Lover). I aimed to fill up an almost complete tracks listing that mirrors the original album. - Side 2 are the remaining tracks that I feel sound great (e.g. My Love Is Dangerous Lord-Alge mix). What do you think of the track listing and the sequence?
I felt like ‘Never Boring’ is a terrible title for an album. Just the word ‘Boring’ in a title is totally unsuitable. I know it is a reference to Freddie requesting "they do anything with his music, but never make him boring”. So I have taken a Freddie reference I feel is more suitable. I am naming this collection of 1985 music ‘Mr. Bad Guy…the Bigger the Better’.
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Post by Frank on Sept 7, 2020 4:57:54 GMT
I was lucky enough to meet Justin Shirley-Smith at the old recording studio in Montreux last year at Freddie's 73rd birthday celebration. I asked him about the upcoming new version of Mr. Bad Guy and he was nice enough to play me the work they did on Living On My Own. It sounded immense in that little studio room! And really, the work that was done for that special edition exceeded my expectations. Giving the songs more bottom did a lot to make them sparkle. I am naming this collection of 1985 music ‘Mr. Bad Guy…the Bigger the Better’. "Never Boring" was okay for a title, but "The Bigger the Better" pops out more.
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Post by Jake12 on Sept 10, 2020 21:18:36 GMT
Lockdown in S.E Australia includes 8pm curfews, only 1 hour outdoors per day, no friends visiting your home, and you may only travel a maximum of 5km/3miles radius from your home. Police are pulling people over and checking details and smashing down peoples front doors if they believe you have broken rules. They recently arrested a pregnant mother in her home because she posted a protest message on facebook. I have been seeking ways to find some mindfulness amongst this madness. I am currently cataloging my Freddie solo material. My aim is to rediscover his solo work by collating listenable albums (i.e. they include mixes and versions of comparable quality that fit together well as an album). So this also means reducing the number of remixes (e.g. Living on My Own) so the track list does not become repetitions. I have retained the original Mr Bad Guy as a single album w/ no extra tracks. I have kept the ‘Special Edition’ album as another single album, but titled it ‘Mr. Bad Guy [Nude mix]’. It is very much a ‘Stripped’ mix of the album, and more timeless than the original release. Then there is the remains songs/mixes I enjoy, which I have collated in to a 2-sided expanded edition. - Side 1 is the original extended versions and the odd ‘Early version’ (e.g. Your Kind of Lover). I aimed to fill up an almost complete tracks listing that mirrors the original album. - Side 2 are the remaining tracks that I feel sound great (e.g. My Love Is Dangerous Lord-Alge mix). What do you think of the track listing and the sequence?
I felt like ‘Never Boring’ is a terrible title for an album. Just the word ‘Boring’ in a title is totally unsuitable. I know it is a reference to Freddie requesting "they do anything with his music, but never make him boring”. So I have taken a Freddie reference I feel is more suitable. I am naming this collection of 1985 music ‘Mr. Bad Guy…the Bigger the Better’. Do you mind if I use your cover image for some audio uploads on my YouTube channel?
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Post by leroybrown on Sept 10, 2020 23:22:17 GMT
Looks pretty cool. Reminds me I need to go back and re-listen to some of those demos and outtakes. I assume you purposely left off The Great Pretender and the Barcelona material? I’ve always admired the Malouf mix of TGP - I find it superior to the original. yep, I collated Barcelona as a seperate experience. I also collated a 3 side collection titled “the Piano & Vodka sessions” Side one are the demos Freddie worked on prior to meeting Montsy. Side is the Vodka fuelled evening when they jammed some songs all night long. Then side 3 is sequenced with earlier demos all the way up to alt versions. I am collating another collection of tracks that sit outside of Barcelona and Bad Guy. This will start with Goin Back and I Can Hear Music. It will encompass everything else. I haven’t decided on an album sleeve yet not a title. I’m think of naming it “from Mars to Mercury” or “from Larry Lurex to the Great Pretender”. Lockdown in S.E Australia includes 8pm curfews, only 1 hour outdoors per day, no friends visiting your home, and you may only travel a maximum of 5km/3miles radius from your home. Police are pulling people over and checking details and smashing down peoples front doors if they believe you have broken rules. They recently arrested a pregnant mother in her home because she posted a protest message on facebook. I have been seeking ways to find some mindfulness amongst this madness. I am currently cataloging my Freddie solo material. My aim is to rediscover his solo work by collating listenable albums (i.e. they include mixes and versions of comparable quality that fit together well as an album). So this also means reducing the number of remixes (e.g. Living on My Own) so the track list does not become repetitions. I have retained the original Mr Bad Guy as a single album w/ no extra tracks. I have kept the ‘Special Edition’ album as another single album, but titled it ‘Mr. Bad Guy [Nude mix]’. It is very much a ‘Stripped’ mix of the album, and more timeless than the original release. Then there is the remains songs/mixes I enjoy, which I have collated in to a 2-sided expanded edition. - Side 1 is the original extended versions and the odd ‘Early version’ (e.g. Your Kind of Lover). I aimed to fill up an almost complete tracks listing that mirrors the original album. - Side 2 are the remaining tracks that I feel sound great (e.g. My Love Is Dangerous Lord-Alge mix). What do you think of the track listing and the sequence?
I felt like ‘Never Boring’ is a terrible title for an album. Just the word ‘Boring’ in a title is totally unsuitable. I know it is a reference to Freddie requesting "they do anything with his music, but never make him boring”. So I have taken a Freddie reference I feel is more suitable. I am naming this collection of 1985 music ‘Mr. Bad Guy…the Bigger the Better’.
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Lockdown in S.E Australia includes 8pm curfews, only 1 hour outdoors per day, no friends visiting your home, and you may only travel a maximum of 5km/3miles radius from your home. Police are pulling people over and checking details and smashing down peoples front doors if they believe you have broken rules. They recently arrested a pregnant mother in her home because she posted a protest message on facebook. I have been seeking ways to find some mindfulness amongst this madness. I am currently cataloging my Freddie solo material. My aim is to rediscover his solo work by collating listenable albums (i.e. they include mixes and versions of comparable quality that fit together well as an album). So this also means reducing the number of remixes (e.g. Living on My Own) so the track list does not become repetitions. I have retained the original Mr Bad Guy as a single album w/ no extra tracks. I have kept the ‘Special Edition’ album as another single album, but titled it ‘Mr. Bad Guy [Nude mix]’. It is very much a ‘Stripped’ mix of the album, and more timeless than the original release. Then there is the remains songs/mixes I enjoy, which I have collated in to a 2-sided expanded edition. - Side 1 is the original extended versions and the odd ‘Early version’ (e.g. Your Kind of Lover). I aimed to fill up an almost complete tracks listing that mirrors the original album. - Side 2 are the remaining tracks that I feel sound great (e.g. My Love Is Dangerous Lord-Alge mix). What do you think of the track listing and the sequence?
I felt like ‘Never Boring’ is a terrible title for an album. Just the word ‘Boring’ in a title is totally unsuitable. I know it is a reference to Freddie requesting "they do anything with his music, but never make him boring”. So I have taken a Freddie reference I feel is more suitable. I am naming this collection of 1985 music ‘Mr. Bad Guy…the Bigger the Better’. Do you mind if I use your cover image for some audio uploads on my YouTube channel? Go ahead and use it. I shared the image in case anyone else wanted to use it. Thx for asking.
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Post by pg on Sept 11, 2020 8:12:24 GMT
Could everyone please try and get in the habit of only quoting the pertinent bit of a post? Scrolling past three versions of a 2CD tracklisting is not advancing the discussion.
Etiquette, people.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 11, 2020 16:40:38 GMT
Could everyone please try and get in the habit of only quoting the pertinent bit of a post? Scrolling past three versions of a 2CD tracklisting is not advancing the discussion. Etiquette, people. Thank you very much Bang on.
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Post by Mr Mercury on Oct 30, 2020 0:49:35 GMT
Ok so reading this thread made me load it up on Spotify (I couldnt find my original copy of the album) and give it another listen. My initial reaction on it when it was first released all those years ago was a feeling of being underwhelmed. I guess at the time I expected far more 70's Queen style Freddie (LOML, YTMBA and DSMN, etc) and so I was disappointed from that point of view. But I persisted with it and as it turned out overall it wasnt that bad at all. Yes, as stated before, the production and the session players were severely lacking but I tend to think they were only following orders from Freddie and what he wanted to hear and maybe not showing their own input as Brian, John and Roger would have done. Upon listening to the album again, some of the songs have not dated well but others have been as bad as I first remembered them.
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Post by Frank on Oct 30, 2020 1:25:02 GMT
Ok so reading this thread made me load it up on Spotify (I couldnt find my original copy of the album) and give it another listen. My initial reaction on it when it was first released all those years ago was a feeling of being underwhelmed. I guess at the time I expected far more 70's Queen style Freddie (LOML, YTMBA and DSMN, etc) and so I was disappointed from that point of view. But I persisted with it and as it turned out overall it wasnt that bad at all. Yes, as stated before, the production and the session players were severely lacking but I tend to think they were only following orders from Freddie and what he wanted to hear and maybe not showing their own input as Brian, John and Roger would have done. Upon listening to the album again, some of the songs have not dated well but others have been as bad as I first remembered them. Ouch, that last part of your post. Lol I have to be in the right frame of mind to listen to Mr. Bad Guy. Like you said, I would rather hear stuff like LOML, YTMBA, and DSMN...but Freddie was way past that by this point. And we all know he only liked looking forward, and at the time, this was the future for him. Still, I like the record. I suppose it was a necessary stepping stone that eventually led to Barcelona, which was a complete change in direction! I recall Jim Beach saying Freddie was already moving on before he had even finished Mr. Bad Guy. I suspect he might have known the album wasn't all he had hoped it to be and was already thinking of how to do it better next time.
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