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Post by NathanH on Jun 6, 2020 22:51:36 GMT
A really random thread but to me certain Queen songs seem to have a weird spot on an album.
Here are some of my top ones:
• Now I'm Here [Sheer Heart Attack] - it just seems odd that with a title like this should open an album not be the last on album side. • Let Me Entertain You [Jazz] - the same reason as Now I'm Here. • One Vision [Greatest Hits II] - it opens the AKOM album but I can see why not this album due to it not being the most famous or biggest song album. But that doesn't explain why it has to end the album instead of The Show Must Go On, the most obvious choice. I've realised on compilation albums Queen don't like having two tracks consecutively if they're from the same album so it's not just a simple case of swapping TSMGO and OV because then OV will be next to Friends Will Be Friends.
Does anyone else have any other songs?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 7, 2020 0:08:11 GMT
I get what you mean about NIH, but I think Brighton Rock would have sounded odd elsewhere on the album. I also think that whilst it was very energetic live, NIH isn't that great a song, and the studio version sounds a bit lame, but that's just a personal opinion.
Jazz was a weird one, and yes, I think they could have swapped things around a bit, but it would have still sounded shit. 😄
I think they pretty much got the opening tracks right on most of the other albums, although perhaps The Miracle would have benefited from having I Want It All as the opener, followed by Khashoggi's Ship and dump Party altogether.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 7, 2020 6:10:31 GMT
I get what you mean about NIH, but I think Brighton Rock would have sounded odd elsewhere on the album. i think there's a natural flow to the layout of SHA. ■ the "seaside fairground carousel" opening of BR is a nice follow on from the end of SSOR (QII). ■ side two starts and ends with ITLOTG - so NIH wouldn't get shifted there either. ■ the middle section of Side1 "feels right" there a natural segue about KQ/Tenement/Flick/Lily/NIH - esp the last 3
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Post by Dimitris on Jun 7, 2020 11:08:44 GMT
Jazz album as the title suggests is crazy, meanining the weird craziness in many levels. Since it was 70s with Rock excess, it was weird and crazy, so the opening song has weird d lyrics, mono sounding switching to stereo and again to mono. Also it has the middle east sound, which I think Queen were the first commercial artist - band who have middle east song. For me the odd is Jealousy between Fat bottomed girls and Bicycle race and only 7 days after the great rocker Dead on time.
Also you take my breath away after tie your mother down.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 7, 2020 11:40:29 GMT
Also it has the middle east sound, which I think Queen were the first commercial artist - band who have middle east song. before "Mustapha", lots of artists used middle-eastern influences, sounds, tempos...here's a few Gene Pitney - Mecca [1963] Led Zeppelin - Kashmir [1975] Rainbow - Stargazer [1976] Rainbow - Still I'm Sad [1975] David Bowie - The Secret Life of Arabia [1977] Led Zeppelin - In The Light [1975] Beatles - Norwegian Wood [1965] Beatles - Within You, Without You [1967] Doors - The End [1967] Yardbirds - still i'm sad [1965] Four Tops - Reach Out, I'll Be There [1967] Jefferson Airplane - White Rabbit [1967]
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Post by Dimitris on Jun 7, 2020 11:54:33 GMT
Also it has the middle east sound, which I think Queen were the first commercial artist - band who have middle east song. before "Mustapha", lots of artists used middle-eastern influences, sounds, tempos...here's a few Gene Pitney - Mecca [1963] Led Zeppelin - Kashmir [1975] Rainbow - Stargazer [1976] Rainbow - Still I'm Sad [1975] David Bowie - The Secret Life of Arabia [1977] Led Zeppelin - In The Light [1975] Beatles - Norwegian Wood [1965] Beatles - Within You, Without You [1967] Doors - The End [1967] Yardbirds - still i'm sad [1965] Four Tops - Reach Out, I'll Be There [1967] Jefferson Airplane - White Rabbit [1967] The majority of Beatles are East India. Middle East have different scale. Queen did real middle east music turns and scales like a traditional middle east or East Mediterranean song. That's why I think are the first to do that (from major bands - artists) Page and Plant during no Quater 93 94 tried to mix India and Egypt sounds.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 7, 2020 12:53:07 GMT
The majority of Beatles are East India. Middle East have different scale. Queen did real middle east music turns and scales like a traditional middle east or East Mediterranean song. That's why I think are the first to do that (from major bands - artists) Page and Plant during no Quater 93 94 tried to mix India and Egypt sounds. of course. nice call on Beatles. think i'd (kind of) roped India into the mix, because in reality we're talking about music that doesn't have western beats/melodies. strange though that "Kashmir" (although located within the Indian sub-continent) has a very Turkish/Moroccan feel to it. back on the Beatles (slight diversion): did you know that John Lennon's "Jealous Guy" was originally recorded during the Abbey Road sessions (by the Beatles) with a working title "On The Road To Marrakesh"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 4:05:11 GMT
Personally Fun It off of Jazz doesn’t feel natural in between Dreamers Ball and Leaving Home.
I feel if DB went right into LHAE it would have flowed much better...I may be biased though because I’m not a big fan of Fun It.
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Post by Dimitris on Jun 8, 2020 15:25:40 GMT
The majority of Beatles are East India. Middle East have different scale. Queen did real middle east music turns and scales like a traditional middle east or East Mediterranean song. That's why I think are the first to do that (from major bands - artists) Page and Plant during no Quater 93 94 tried to mix India and Egypt sounds. of course. nice call on Beatles. think i'd (kind of) roped India into the mix, because in reality we're talking about music that doesn't have western beats/melodies. strange though that "Kashmir" (although located within the Indian sub-continent) has a very Turkish/Moroccan feel to it. back on the Beatles (slight diversion): did you know that John Lennon's "Jealous Guy" was originally recorded during the Abbey Road sessions (by the Beatles) with a working title "On The Road To Marrakesh" Ι didn't know that very interesting also great song.
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Post by macduff77 on Jun 8, 2020 15:26:21 GMT
For me, it's always been "You Take My Breath Away" after the blistering "Tie Your Mother Down" to open the album. It's so jarring, especially because the next run of songs are so good.
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Post by NathanH on Jun 8, 2020 22:07:25 GMT
For me, it's always been "You Take My Breath Away" after the blistering "Tie Your Mother Down" to open the album. It's so jarring, especially because the next run of songs are so good. I have always thought that too but I think a possible reason why they did that was because they were two songs that were already known at that point due to the summer concerts of 1976. I think it's tactical in that sense as the album is already targeting the couple hundred thousand people who saw Queen live during that tour. Or the other way round it is making sure that people continue to listen to the album to hear all the tracks instead of switching off when you already know the songs. Well their my theories anyway.
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Post by macduff77 on Jun 9, 2020 0:40:25 GMT
That’s true - I hadn’t thought about those songs being already in the public’s eye. For me, it's always been "You Take My Breath Away" after the blistering "Tie Your Mother Down" to open the album. It's so jarring, especially because the next run of songs are so good. I have always thought that too but I think a possible reason why they did that was because they were two songs that were already known at that point due to the summer concerts of 1976. I think it's tactical in that sense as the album is already targeting the couple hundred thousand people who saw Queen live during that tour. Or the other way round it is making sure that people continue to listen to the album to hear all the tracks instead of switching off when you already know the songs. Well their my theories anyway.
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Post by macduff77 on Jun 9, 2020 0:44:33 GMT
The other one I find odd is the track listing for the remastered vinyl editions of Innuendo:
A1 Innuendo A2 I'm Going Slightly Mad A3 Headlong B1 These Are The Days Of Our Lives B2 Don't Try So Hard B3 Ride The Wild Wind C1 All God's People C2 I Can't Live With You C3 Delilah D1 The Hitman D2 Bijou D3 The Show Must Go On
I’m pretty sure the original track listing would have fit on each side of a 2LP. So no idea why this was done.
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Post by NathanH on Jun 9, 2020 7:02:41 GMT
The other one I find odd is the track listing for the remastered vinyl editions of Innuendo: A1 Innuendo A2 I'm Going Slightly Mad A3 Headlong B1 These Are The Days Of Our Lives B2 Don't Try So Hard B3 Ride The Wild Wind C1 All God's People C2 I Can't Live With You C3 Delilah D1 The Hitman D2 Bijou D3 The Show Must Go On I’m pretty sure the original track listing would have fit on each side of a 2LP. So no idea why this was done. The thing that really irritates me is why ICLWY and TATDOOL swapped. There's not a scientific reason to why they did. The only two things I can think of is the drum crash at the start of ICLWY isn't very dramatic so it's probably more effective after a song. And TATDOOL is a hit so following three others may then be a commercial option.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 9, 2020 13:22:42 GMT
The thing that really irritates me is why ICLWY and TATDOOL swapped. There's not a scientific reason to why they did. The only two things I can think of is the drum crash at the start of ICLWY isn't very dramatic so it's probably more effective after a song. And TATDOOL is a hit so following three others may then be a commercial option. original CD = 53:48, original LP had shortened versions of "I'm Going Slightly Mad", "These Are the Days of Our Lives", "Don't Try So Hard", "The Hitman" and "Bijou". although, saying this, that does not justify a re-issue as a double where two sides just break 12 mins and one is only 13 mins. unless the audio quality was improved?
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Post by macduff77 on Jun 9, 2020 16:33:29 GMT
I do feel the remastered vinyl sounds terrific - so I can see why they released it as a 2LP, so as to not have the edited versions and also improved audio (when comparing to my original UK version). That being said, it's still a head scratcher why they flipped ICLWY and TATDOOL.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 9, 2020 18:19:14 GMT
I do feel the remastered vinyl sounds terrific - so I can see why they released it as a 2LP, so as to not have the edited versions and also improved audio (when comparing to my original UK version). That being said, it's still a head scratcher why they flipped ICLWY and TATDOOL. and also, why was it even necessary to shorten 5 tracks? the (recommended) limit for LPs was 23mins per side. but there are classical pieces and spoken word LPs that run to 90 minutes! Innuendo's 53 minutes may have been quite long for a vinyl LP in those days, but the following LPs were much longer: 73:05: Slade - Smashes [1980] 67:32: Todd Rundgren - Initiation [1975] 62:32: Def Leppard - Hysteria [1987] 58:44: Queen - Greatest Hits [1981] 58:39: Kiss - Hit In The Shade [1989] 56:13: Bob Dylan - Desire [1976] 54:46: Genesis - Duke [1980] 53:02: Deep Purple - 24 Carat Purple [1975] 50:09: Manfred Mann - Chapter 3 [1969] my only suggestion as to why those tracks were shortened? - tightening up the grooves does make for quieter vinyl, so perhaps QPL wanted Innuendo to be loud?
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Post by macduff77 on Jun 9, 2020 19:30:47 GMT
Hmmm - that's true too. I did read a conspiracy theory sometime on the internet that it was deliberate by QPL to edit some tracks so fans would buy the LP and CD. But yeah, it must have been for sonic reasons then. and also, why was it even necessary to shorten 5 tracks? the (recommended) limit for LPs was 23mins per side. but there are classical pieces and spoken word LPs that run to 90 minutes! Innuendo's 53 minutes may have been quite long for a vinyl LP in those days, but the following LPs were much longer: 67:32: Todd Rundgren - Initiation [1975] 62:32: Def Leppard - Hysteria [1987] 58:44: Queen - Greatest Hits [1981] 58:39: Kiss - Hit In The Shade [1989] 56:13: Bob Dylan - Desire [1976] 54:46: Genesis - Duke [1980] 53:02: Deep Purple - 24 Carat Purple [1975] 50:09: Manfred Mann - Chapter 3 [1969] my only suggestion as to why those tracks were shortened? - tightening up the grooves does make for quieter vinyl, so perhaps QPL wanted Innuendo to be loud?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 9, 2020 21:27:32 GMT
I do feel the remastered vinyl sounds terrific - so I can see why they released it as a 2LP, so as to not have the edited versions and also improved audio (when comparing to my original UK version). That being said, it's still a head scratcher why they flipped ICLWY and TATDOOL. and also, why was it even necessary to shorten 5 tracks? the (recommended) limit for LPs was 23mins per side. but there are classical pieces and spoken word LPs that run to 90 minutes! Innuendo's 53 minutes may have been quite long for a vinyl LP in those days, but the following LPs were much longer: 67:32: Todd Rundgren - Initiation [1975] 62:32: Def Leppard - Hysteria [1987] 58:44: Queen - Greatest Hits [1981] 58:39: Kiss - Hit In The Shade [1989] 56:13: Bob Dylan - Desire [1976] 54:46: Genesis - Duke [1980] 53:02: Deep Purple - 24 Carat Purple [1975] 50:09: Manfred Mann - Chapter 3 [1969] my only suggestion as to why those tracks were shortened? - tightening up the grooves does make for quieter vinyl, so perhaps QPL wanted Innuendo to be loud? I remember hearing the Genesis albums A Trick Of The Tail and Wind & Wuthering when they first came out, which was of course on vinyl. Both of those albums clocked in at over 50 minutes, but were lacking in bass. When they came out on CDs, it was a revelation to hear bass on the tracks! I think quite a lot of longer LPs suffered from that, which was perhaps why they were mostly kept below 23 minutes per side. As far as I recall, none of the Queen albums I had in the 70 suffered a lack of bass.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 9, 2020 21:41:29 GMT
I remember hearing the Genesis albums A Trick Of The Tail and Wind & Wuthering when they first came out, which was of course on vinyl. Both of those albums clocked in at over 50 minutes, but were lacking in bass. When they came out on CDs, it was a revelation to hear bass on the tracks! I think quite a lot of longer LPs suffered from that, which was perhaps why they were mostly kept below 23 minutes per side. As far as I recall, none of the Queen albums I had in the 70 suffered a lack of bass. a really good point. i suppose there are exceptions. 24-Carat Purple definitely doesn't appear to lack bass. on the other hand, i always felt Hysteria sounded a little "recorded in a biscuit tin". there was also a Slade Greatest Hits LP from around about 1982-ish, that was so long, the entire things lacked everything...it sounded like it had been recorded using a mic connected to an old radio cassette and the result cut directly to vinyl - i've just added the details to my post above, but in the interests of continuity: 73:05: Slade - Smashes [1980] - easily the longest single vinyl LP length by any major rock band. bigger question: if this applies to LPs, then surely the same applies to singles. but i've yet to hear a long single that misses any depth, bass or volume. Bo Rhap [Queen], Freebird [Skynyrd], Hey Jude [Beatles], Inside Looking Out {Grand Funk] all tick all three boxes.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 9, 2020 23:12:07 GMT
I remember hearing the Genesis albums A Trick Of The Tail and Wind & Wuthering when they first came out, which was of course on vinyl. Both of those albums clocked in at over 50 minutes, but were lacking in bass. When they came out on CDs, it was a revelation to hear bass on the tracks! I think quite a lot of longer LPs suffered from that, which was perhaps why they were mostly kept below 23 minutes per side. As far as I recall, none of the Queen albums I had in the 70 suffered a lack of bass. a really good point. i suppose there are exceptions. 24-Carat Purple definitely doesn't appear to lack bass. on the other hand, i always felt Hysteria sounded a little "recorded in a biscuit tin". there was also a Slade Greatest Hits LP from around about 1982-ish, that was so long, the entire things lacked everything...it sounded like it had been recorded using a mic connected to an old radio cassette and the result cut directly to vinyl - i've just added the details to my post above, but in the interests of continuity: 73:05: Slade - Smashes [1980] - easily the longest single vinyl LP length by any major rock band. bigger question: if this applies to LPs, then surely the same applies to singles. but i've yet to hear a long single that misses any depth, bass or volume. Bo Rhap [Queen], Freebird [Skynyrd], Hey Jude [Beatles], Inside Looking Out {Grand Funk] all tick all three boxes. I don't recall ever hearing Hysteria on it's original vinyl, but something in the back of my mind is telling me that some of the tracks were either missing or edited. I only ever had that on CD. With regards singles, one of the longest, of course, was Bohemian Rhapsody, and I don't remember that sounding shite. Then there was Queen's First EP which was four tracks on a 7" that played at 45rpm, and side 2 (Tenement Funster / White Queen) would have been about 7 and a half minutes long. Maybe there was more room for the grooves on a single, or perhaps it was something to do with it playing at 45rpm? There were some 7" singles that played at 33rpm, but I can't recall one off the top of my head. 45rpm 12" singles always sounded excellent.
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Post by eddiespaghetti on Jun 19, 2020 18:11:52 GMT
It's odd they didn't put 'More of that jazz' of 'Fun it' at the beginning of Jazz.
And it's even more odd that 'Sheer Heart Atack' isn't on 'Sheer Heart Attack'
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Post by justin07 on Jun 21, 2020 17:39:09 GMT
Surely having ended the 1st album with the short instrumental version of Seven Seas Of Rhye Queen II should have opened with the full version. Would have been a a good link. Obviously the actual opening Queen II track Procession would have had to be moved, maybe along with Father To Son, because these 2 go well together.
My alternative track listing with roughly equal length each side of a vinyl LP
Side White:
1) Seven Seas Of Rhye 2) Ogre Battle 3) The Fairy Feller's Master-stroke 4) Nevermore 5) Some Day One Day 6) White Queen (As It Began)
Side Black:
1) Procession 2) Father To Son 3) The March Of The Black Queen 4) Funny How Love Is 5) The Loser In The End
They would have had to do some modified segueing from some tracks to the other but I think it would have flowed well.
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