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Post by Ri on Jun 25, 2020 14:08:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 14:33:40 GMT
Maybe someone finally read all the comments about that Tour Watch Party and the Documentary on Netflix with people asking for a QAL live release. I would for sure buy it!
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Post by georg on Jun 25, 2020 14:55:44 GMT
Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't done it sooner. Now, I'm not 100% onboard with Adam, but his rendition of Who Wants to Live Forever won me over enough to the point that I can see what the big deal is. (Don't worry, I won't rehash the same old tired BS.) I did find it interesting that Q+PR released Return of the Champions the very same year they started touring, yet Q+AL have been going for about eight years now and have yet to release any kind of product; as far as I'm concerned, it's long overdue.
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Post by Jake12 on Jun 25, 2020 15:28:57 GMT
Now I’m of course going to sound like a Queen + hater which I kind of am.. of course they’re going to pour ALL their effort in trying to make this the best and most amazing release ever! But of course can’t give us a Live Killers Boxset or a Knebworth release. I honestly am hating so much how they try to shove Q+A down our throats and it annoys me more when these past weeks with showing the concerts on YouTube they advertise them as the “Iconic” performance..
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Post by macduff77 on Jun 25, 2020 15:54:34 GMT
I've been wondering that also. Could it be that they've become a bit cautious on what they release with Adam after the somewhat tepid responses to their Q+PR releases? Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't done it sooner. Now, I'm not 100% onboard with Adam, but his rendition of Who Wants to Live Forever won me over enough to the point that I can see what the big deal is. (Don't worry, I won't rehash the same old tired BS.) I did find it interesting that Q+PR released Return of the Champions the very same year they started touring, yet Q+AL have been going for about eight years now and have yet to release any kind of product; as far as I'm concerned, it's long overdue.
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Post by Ri on Jun 25, 2020 15:59:44 GMT
I've been wondering that also. Could it be that they've become a bit cautious on what they release with Adam after the somewhat tepid responses to their Q+PR releases? Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't done it sooner. Now, I'm not 100% onboard with Adam, but his rendition of Who Wants to Live Forever won me over enough to the point that I can see what the big deal is. (Don't worry, I won't rehash the same old tired BS.) I did find it interesting that Q+PR released Return of the Champions the very same year they started touring, yet Q+AL have been going for about eight years now and have yet to release any kind of product; as far as I'm concerned, it's long overdue. That's definitely part of the consideration. This was mentioned in an interview somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 16:13:32 GMT
Now I’m of course going to sound like a Queen + hater which I kind of am.. of course they’re going to pour ALL their effort in trying to make this the best and most amazing release ever! But of course can’t give us a Live Killers Boxset or a Knebworth release. I honestly am hating so much how they try to shove Q+A down our throats and it annoys me more when these past weeks with showing the concerts on YouTube they advertise them as the “Iconic” performance.. OK. And now try for once to put yourself into Brian and Roger’s shoes. They are living in the here and now, they really enjoy playing their music and touring with Adam. That’s what they have been doing for more 6 years now. To be honest, I don’t think THEY think much about these old days right now. That’s far away. They are for sure proud of the achievements, have all the memories, but it’s done. Looking at Roger’s comments in the documentary, all the complaints about QAL by fans, just annoy him. With the constant complaining, Queen fans won’t achieve anything, but drive Roger (and Brian?) more and more away from the old material. He loves Adam. Hating QAL might still be cool among a few fans, but for most it’s just an annoyance by now. Roger‘s reply in that new interview tells it all: The 70-year-old said of Queen’s 50th anniversary plans: “That’s a good question actually.
“I think we do but I can’t quite remember what it is!
“What we are thinking about is releasing a live album.
Roger and Brian have moved on. We either do the same or must be happy with what we have. That’s for sure a great collection as it is. And maybe at some point Brian and Roger will go back to caring more again about the old times. But not for now.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 25, 2020 17:33:26 GMT
Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't done it sooner. Now, I'm not 100% onboard with Adam, but his rendition of Who Wants to Live Forever won me over enough to the point that I can see what the big deal is. (Don't worry, I won't rehash the same old tired BS.) I did find it interesting that Q+PR released Return of the Champions the very same year they started touring, yet Q+AL have been going for about eight years now and have yet to release any kind of product; as far as I'm concerned, it's long overdue. Actuslly, same here with regards WWTLF. Watching that has made me look forward to seeing him next year, as well as Bri and Rog. And what also did it for me was his Somebody Toooooooooooooo Love!
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Post by florians on Jun 25, 2020 18:27:42 GMT
For whatever reason I cannot open the Link. The quote just says, that they are thinking about a live album. Was Roger clearly referring to QAl live album?
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Post by georg on Jun 25, 2020 18:38:33 GMT
For whatever reason I cannot open the Link. The quote just says, that they are thinking about a live album. Was Roger clearly referring to QAl live album? Here's the link.
Looks like it might be a compilation of performances over the past 8 years, though who knows what form it'll take?
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Post by georg on Jun 25, 2020 18:42:41 GMT
Now I’m of course going to sound like a Queen + hater which I kind of am.. of course they’re going to pour ALL their effort in trying to make this the best and most amazing release ever! But of course can’t give us a Live Killers Boxset or a Knebworth release. I honestly am hating so much how they try to shove Q+A down our throats and it annoys me more when these past weeks with showing the concerts on YouTube they advertise them as the “Iconic” performance.. Why shouldn't they? Q+AL is a living, breathing thing; it's been massively successful, and the movie has only made them more successful. You don't have to like it, and that's fine; as I said elsewhere, I'm not the biggest fan of Q+AL (I much preferred Q+PR, and actually really quite enjoy The Cosmos Rocks), but you can't blame two men in their 70s for wanting to keep going out on stage – especially with such a muse as Adam, who have clearly lit fires under Brian's and Roger's asses – while they still have the ability to do so. I think it's been pretty clear that Brian wants to do all he can while his body is still allowing it, and I honestly can't blame him one bit.
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Post by georg on Jun 25, 2020 18:45:49 GMT
Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't done it sooner. Now, I'm not 100% onboard with Adam, but his rendition of Who Wants to Live Forever won me over enough to the point that I can see what the big deal is. (Don't worry, I won't rehash the same old tired BS.) I did find it interesting that Q+PR released Return of the Champions the very same year they started touring, yet Q+AL have been going for about eight years now and have yet to release any kind of product; as far as I'm concerned, it's long overdue. Actuslly, same here with regards WWTLF. Watching that has made me look forward to seeing him next year, as well as Bri and Rog. And what also did it for me was his Somebody Toooooooooooooo Love! I really like the set list they put together, too; I wasn't that interested in seeing Q+PR live (before they released The Cosmos Rocks) when they came to Philly in 2006, because their set list was a little too tame, and ignored a lot of Freddie's songs. But Q+AL has rectified that, and they've dug much deeper into their back catalog and brought more of Freddie's songs out of mothballs, which has been nice. Personally, I won't see them live next year (if they even come to the US), but it has nothing to do with Adam. I'm not going to be seeing any concerts at all for the foreseeable future, considering the state of the world and the fact that America can't get its shit together to provide basic healthcare services to keep its population from dying. (But that's neither here nor there.)
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Post by Goldy on Jun 25, 2020 19:23:27 GMT
Remember that "big project" they were working on? yeah-
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 20:11:18 GMT
Remember that "big project" they were working on? yeah- That must be something else. According to Roger the idea of the Live Album is fairly new and has to do with the very positive resonance of that Tour Watch Party last weekend. Literally hundreds of fans have asked for a live DVDin the comment section.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Jun 26, 2020 9:29:24 GMT
Oh well, another release I won't have to spend money on.
It increasingly sounds like I'll have to wait until Brian and Roger have died before anything remotely interesting comes out. I've basically just given up on Queen - they simply want to tour as a glorified heritage act, and if that's their choice they're free to do so, but I'm not going to bother keeping up with boring stuff like that, and I certainly have no time for the kind of fan who is of the opinion that everyone must slavishly follow and approve of everything Brian and Roger do.
Maybe I'll get lucky and some more multitracks will leak - they're considerably more interesting than any of the recent official releases.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 26, 2020 10:10:13 GMT
Oh well, another release I won't have to spend money on. It increasingly sounds like I'll have to wait until Brian and Roger have died before anything remotely interesting comes out. I've basically just given up on Queen - they simply want to tour as a glorified heritage act, and if that's their choice they're free to do so, but I'm not going to bother keeping up with boring stuff like that, and I certainly have no time for the kind of fan who is of the opinion that everyone must slavishly follow and approve of everything Brian and Roger do. Maybe I'll get lucky and some more multitracks will leak - they're considerably more interesting than any of the recent official releases. agreed 100%. it's disappointing that - with each new significant anniversary that passes - the likelihood of any legacy stuff being released with unheard material included, is disappearing over the horizon. sad, but true - there's no real money to be made from recordings, but plenty to be made from touring. live released work from a sales point of view for those that want a studio quality keepsake of the tour and for those who wanted to go but couldn't make it. so lives will be released ad nauseum.
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Post by badboybez on Jun 26, 2020 10:28:59 GMT
Not for me thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 10:46:18 GMT
„so lives will be released ad nauseum.“
WTF? How many unheard material or collections did we get since 2011? How many releases - live or not live - by QAL have their been? Yeah, that.
As much as I like to finally get some of the old stuff, I also need a live recording of the QAL collaboration in my collection. It has been going for 8 years now and there is literally nothing, but a shortened gig, released exclusively and only in Japan.
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Post by Ri on Jun 26, 2020 10:53:43 GMT
„so lives will be released ad nauseum.“ WTF? How many unheard material or collections did we get since 2011? How many releases - live or not live - by QAL have their been? Yeah, that. As much as I like to finally get some of the old stuff, I also need a live recording of the QAL collaboration in my collection. It has been going for 8 years now and there is literally nothing, but a shortened gig, released exclusively and only in Japan. Yeah, I can totally agree to disagree whether or not people like QAL but saying QAL releases are ad nauseam is just factually incorrect by numbers. Save the Japan show and You Are the Champions there is literally nothing lmao. Allow me to bring this here in comparison to og Queen releases... All we can do is speculate. They've had a few surprises up their belt the last couple of years. Let's have a look at the last 10 years alone: 2010 - The Singles Collections 2011 - Remasters+Deep Cuts+40 Years of Queen+new docu 2012 - The Great Pretender docu
2012 - Hungarian Rhapsody 2012 - Queen + Adam Lambert tours 2013 - Icon 2014 - Queen Forever/Let Me In Your Heart Again 2014 - Live At The Rainbow box 2015 - A Night At The Odeon 2015 - Studio Collection vinyl boxset 2015 - Play The Game mobile game 2016 - On Air 2017 - NOTW Box/All Dead All Dead 2018 - Bohemian Rhapsody Movie+OST If i had this list around 2000, i would've been very excited. Am i alone? Let's wait and see, before we poopoo all over it in advance.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Jun 26, 2020 10:57:17 GMT
So you, and many with you, will enjoy this. Fine. I, and many with me, won't. So we express our regret that Brian and Roger do not seem to be interested in releases we would be interested in. Deal with it.
It is a plain fact that Queen has a tendency to re-release old products ad nauseum - how many editions of Live At Wembley have we had so far?
Q+AL fails to interest me in the least, and that is every bit as legitimate as loving it or anything in between. I do get very annoyed by two groups of people - the people who insist on throwing around slurs against Adam Lambert because they don't like him working with Brian and Roger, and the devout followers who insist everyone must not merely accept but delight in whatever Brian and Roger decide to do. Both those groups have a nasty scent of cultism about them.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Jun 26, 2020 10:59:04 GMT
@ri:
That list by The Fairy King has TWO items that I found interesting - the Rainbow Box (GREAT release!) and On Air (GREAT 2cd, HORRIBLE box set). Literally every other item on that list is a great big underwhelming "meh" to me.
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Post by Dimitris on Jun 26, 2020 11:00:20 GMT
It's Sad but True... In 00s the unreleased material was postponed because of Q&PR.
For the celebration of 50th anniversary and 30 years since Freddie's death ,it is totally stupid to release Q&AL live album.
I really appreciate Q&AL touring collaboration I have seen them and it was great. They could release live album but not for 2021...
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Post by kimonofreddie74 on Jun 26, 2020 11:00:42 GMT
Might be interesting to finally see if they bring a few songs out of the cupboard, since basically all they do it Greatest Hits now (hell, at least The Magic Tour had some variety with some Works stuff on there, SSOR and other things). I'd like to see some Miracle/Innuendo/Made In Heaven stuff done live, I really dislike how that stuff has never been touched sans the hits. The Miracle/Headlong and stuff would sound good live. But as many people have said, they don't want blank faces when they perform songs, which is why It's Late got dropped in 2017. People didn't know it because it's a deep cut. I'm glad they've started doing Keep Yourself Alive and Doing All Right again though.
In terms of the current setlists it's very much to be desired. I'm not really fussed about FMG, Bicycle Race, and as a Brit I've heard Don't Stop Me Now enough to fill a lifetime and I don't really like it live. I never have. It's a crying shame as they could be doing stuff from the early days (Queen-ADATR). Adam tackling Ogre Battle, March of The Black Queen, hell, even Jesus I'd like to see done live as I actually really like that track. and for god's sake bring Liar back. You want kids to appreciate the full spectrum of Queen? give them some stuff live that they won't know if they like. I hate the parroting of Greatest Hits. Might get bums on seats, but it's a boring show to a die-hard like me.
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Post by Ri on Jun 26, 2020 11:05:27 GMT
@ri: That list by The Fairy King has TWO items that I found interesting - the Rainbow Box (GREAT release!) and On Air (GREAT 2cd, HORRIBLE box set). Literally every other item on that list is a great big underwhelming "meh" to me. Well, I think the NOTW stuff was great, and also my point wasn't whether or not the audience like it but the fact that they even got released at all. Numbers! I'm not sure my English translates well but an analogy would be you getting ten plates of food and liking two of them is a completely different problem from me not getting any plate of food at all...
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Post by Ri on Jun 26, 2020 11:07:42 GMT
Might be interesting to finally see if they bring a few songs out of the cupboard, since basically all they do it Greatest Hits now (hell, at least The Magic Tour had some variety with some Works stuff on there, SSOR and other things). I'd like to see some Miracle/Innuendo/Made In Heaven stuff done live, I really dislike how that stuff has never been touched sans the hits. The Miracle/Headlong and stuff would sound good live. But as many people have said, they don't want blank faces when they perform songs, which is why It's Late got dropped in 2017. People didn't know it because it's a deep cut. I'm glad they've started doing Keep Yourself Alive and Doing All Right again though. One of the unfortunate things about having to try and please the most amount of people is by replaying their Greatest Hits again and again. Even KYA and DA was in this year's setlist thanks to the movie. So fingers crossed for rarer songs!
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Jun 26, 2020 11:22:07 GMT
@ri:
Sorry, but that's just horribly flawed logic. To put it in the form of a simile:
Band A releases two expansive, carefully crafted box sets full of previously unknown content over a ten year period. Band B releases ten items in the same period: five different re-releases of their Greatest Hits album (changes to the artwork, nothing else), two re-releases of concert recordings, a documentary consisting entirely of snippets from previous documentaries, a three-minute unrelated animation (made by a third party) set to a previously released song and a fridge magnet.
By the logic of your argument, Band B has done much better than Band A.
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Post by Ri on Jun 26, 2020 11:29:09 GMT
@ri: Sorry, but that's just horribly flawed logic. To put it in the form of a simile: Band A releases two expansive, carefully crafted box sets full of previously unknown content over a ten year period. Band B releases ten items in the same period: five different re-releases of their Greatest Hits album (changes to the artwork, nothing else), two re-releases of concert recordings, a documentary consisting entirely of snippets from previous documentaries, a three-minute unrelated animation (made by a third party) set to a previously released song and a fridge magnet. By the logic of your argument, Band B has done much better than Band A. I was responding to the statement that QAL live releases is "ad nauseam". Using your example, band B is ad nauseam. But I wouldn't say that to Queen cause I love them a lot! And us QAL fan-beggars can't be choosers unlike fans of band B. We'll probably only have one-fifth of Band B's release and we'll have to like it because there's nothing else! I was never asking you to agree or accept a QAL Live release instead of an of Queen release, I was just addressing that it's weird to say a QAL Live release is ad nauseam considering there's barely any content at all.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Jun 26, 2020 11:37:12 GMT
I interpreted the ad nauseum as referring to Queen's tendency to re-release the same two concerts (Wembley and Montreal) over and over again, not specifically to Q+AL. My simile was meant purely to address the logic behind your "wasn't whether or not the audience like it but the fact that they even got released at all. [...] getting ten plates of food and liking two of them is a completely different problem from me not getting any plate of food at all"
That seemed, to me, to suggest quantity trumps quality.
But to be absolutely clear: there is no deluge of Q+AL releases, you are quite right there. I do get the feeling that Brian and Roger have lost interest in all things Queen that are not Q+AL touring, though.
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Post by Ri on Jun 26, 2020 11:40:22 GMT
I interpreted the ad nauseum as referring to Queen's tendency to re-release the same two concerts (Wembley and Montreal) over and over again, not specifically to Q+AL. My simile was meant purely to address the logic behind your "wasn't whether or not the audience like it but the fact that they even got released at all. [...] getting ten plates of food and liking two of them is a completely different problem from me not getting any plate of food at all" That seemed, to me, to suggest quantity trumps quality. But to be absolutely clear: there is no deluge of Q+AL releases, you are quite right there. I do get the feeling that Brian and Roger have lost interest in all things Queen that are not Q+AL touring, though. Thanks for clearing that up. To put my perception in a complete picture: original Queen fans HAVE the privilege of demanding quality over quantity. QAL fans don't, because even before we have ANY quality to complain over, there is barely any quantity lol. And I think it's too early to tell, I'm almost 100% sure they can't possibly rely on QAL being the only release for a 50th celebration. This is just one of the things, maybe. 50 is too pretty of a milestone for that to be the only thing!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 12:19:51 GMT
And I think it's too early to tell, I'm almost 100% sure they can't possibly rely on QAL being the only release for a 50th celebration. This is just one of the things, maybe. 50 is too pretty of a milestone for that to be the only thing! Something is planned, but according to Roger, he couldn’t remember what it was. So it’s either some stuff that he isn’t much involved with or it’s a surprise that he didn’t want to give away yet. It’s hard to tell, which option is true. As was mentioned before, Roger seems to be mostly interested in QAL now. This could be a dilemma for all: Queen fans want to celebrate 50 years of Queen. Brian and Roger probably want to do that as well. But how? I‘m not sure, how much they are currently interested in opening the vaults. They love playing live and that means currently playing with Adam. Many longtime fans don’t want, what Brian and Roger may want: a huge live concert (my guess). Brian and Roger aren’t interested in creating a new box set that would be good enough to satisfy their fans and their own standard. The result could be: We get nothing. That’s the worst version, I still have hope, that their team does come up with a good plan. I‘m also sure that there is going to be a lot of complaining. They cannot satisfy everyone.
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