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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 23, 2020 6:03:29 GMT
I've always loved their "band walking" photo from every show, sometimes with sweet caption, sometimes goofing around if Adam records it, so personally I connect with it. Me too. Seems to me that they chose that picture very thoughtfully, but non-QAL fans can’t grab that or connect with it. ...or perhaps it's just a bad image? i get that QAL fans will lap everything up. but let's be honest here: regardless of the quality of the music, the photo is pretty bad. it could also be interpreted as three guys "turning their backs on their fans"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 9:35:22 GMT
Me too. Seems to me that they chose that picture very thoughtfully, but non-QAL fans can’t grab that or connect with it. ...or perhaps it's just a bad image? i get that QAL fans will lap everything up. but let's be honest here: regardless of the quality of the music, the photo is pretty bad. it could also be interpreted as three guys "turning their backs on their fans" The fans know that they are walking towards their stage. So actually, the three guys are turned towards their fans.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Aug 23, 2020 11:29:10 GMT
The simple fact that you have to rely on outside considerations like "the fans know" and "non-QAL fans can't grab that or connect with it" to explain why you like the cover photograph makes it very clear that it's a bad choice. A cover that only appeals to an esoteric in-crowd is by definition a bad cover, as it fails to attract the attention of the general public, which is the principal task of an album cover.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 11:42:35 GMT
The simple fact that you have to rely on outside considerations like "the fans know" and "non-QAL fans can't grab that or connect with it" to explain why you like the cover photograph makes it very clear that it's a bad choice. A cover that only appeals to an esoteric in-crowd is by definition a bad cover, as it fails to attract the attention of the general public, which is the principal task of an album cover. In general you’re right. But I don’t think this Live Album is aimed at people, who don’t know the band. They said that they release it as a Thank You for the fans, because the tours this year had to be postponed. People know Queen, they don’t need a cover to be persuaded. If they are interested in the collaboration with Adam they will buy it, if not they won’t. The cover won’t change that.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 23, 2020 14:16:49 GMT
The simple fact that you have to rely on outside considerations like "the fans know" and "non-QAL fans can't grab that or connect with it" to explain why you like the cover photograph makes it very clear that it's a bad choice. A cover that only appeals to an esoteric in-crowd is by definition a bad cover, as it fails to attract the attention of the general public, which is the principal task of an album cover. In general you’re right. But I don’t think this Live Album is aimed at people, who don’t know the band. They said that they release it as a Thank You for the fans, because the tours this year had to be postponed. People know Queen, they don’t need a cover to be persuaded. If they are interested in the collaboration with Adam they will buy it, if not they won’t. The cover won’t change that. sorry, but i disagree largely with almost everything you've said. why? bands don't release LPs just for the known fans for two very obvious reasons: ♦ a band will always be looking to increase its fanbase, and ♦ there's no point releasing anything if you don't expect it to sell in great quantity. your argument that it's not meant beyond a "thank you to the fans" just doesn't work...can you image if Ford only ever targeted their cars at Ford owners? how would that business model work? as for the cover: in any world, that's a terrible picture. the band is/was/always will be known for their lavish, colourful, dramatic stageshow - so you don't promote a live album with a washed-out, uninspired, insipid B&W image. it's just NOT representative of Queen - then or now. a live album cover has to grab the eye - whether viewing online or in the record shop racks. can you imagine Live Killers done in a similar way to this Live Around The World cover? tell me honestly, which (below) represents a live Queen show - the explosive stage shot, or the backstage group image? then you may understand why the Live Around The World cover just doesn't work.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 14:42:37 GMT
In general you’re right. But I don’t think this Live Album is aimed at people, who don’t know the band. They said that they release it as a Thank You for the fans, because the tours this year had to be postponed. People know Queen, they don’t need a cover to be persuaded. If they are interested in the collaboration with Adam they will buy it, if not they won’t. The cover won’t change that. sorry, but i disagree largely with almost everything you've said. why? bands don't release LPs just for the known fans for two very obvious reasons: ♦ a band will always be looking to increase its fanbase, and ♦ there's no point releasing anything if you don't expect it to sell in great quantity. your argument that it's not meant beyond a "thank you to the fans" just doesn't work...can you image if Ford only ever targeted their cars at Ford owners? how would that business model work? as for the cover: in any world, that's a terrible picture. the band is/was/always will be known for their lavish, colourful, dramatic stageshow - so you don't promote a live album with a washed-out, uninspired, insipid B&W image. it's just NOT representative of Queen - then or now. a live album cover has to grab the eye - whether viewing online or in the record shop racks. can you imagine Live Killers done in a similar way to this Live Around The World cover? tell me honestly, which (below) represents a live Queen show - the explosive stage shot, or the backstage group image? then you may understand why the Live Around The World cover just doesn't work. The backstage pic you posted is very different from the cover of Live around the world. I get what you mean though. I just quoted Roger and Adam, who apparently said, that they decided to release the Live Album for the fans. It really seems like a fast decision after they showed the Live Watch Party on YT. It was only then that Roger mentioned that they think of releasing a Live Album. Of course, it’s nice, when other people discover the music too. But with more than 3,5 million tickets sold, there are probably enough possible customers. Of course, they could have chosen a different pic than the one taken by Roger’s personal assistant. Every cover would have risen some kind of criticism though. Just imagine they had Adam in the center. Wearing an outfit, that some fans think is over-the-top or even a crown at the end of a concert? I can imagine the outcry. Another thing is that they have taken performances from many different concerts and years, so showing a certain stage wouldn’t be correct either. What would you have done? Do you know or have an appropriate picture? I‘ve seen countless of QAL pics, but can‘t think just now of a fitting pic of the 3 of them together live in concert. There are many, but none says „Cover“ to me. I find the backstage pic much more interesting. Because it’s different.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Aug 23, 2020 15:04:49 GMT
It's really the kind of picture you'd expect on
- the back cover - the inside of a booklet - an 'outtakes'/'home recordings'-type disc in a box set
It's just a very, very *strange* choice for the front cover of a live album, and Brenski's arguments and illustration seem bang on to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 15:15:58 GMT
After having thought a bit more about it, I don’t even think, that a pic like the one with the 4 Queen members on stage under the’Pizza Oven‘ would create more interest in 2020. It‘s nothing special any more to have a pic from a Live Show with whatever special effects. It might be considered more fitting for a live record, but that backstage pic they chose makes me more curious than any shiny cover would. I guess, we‘re all different.
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Post by emrabt on Aug 23, 2020 15:45:29 GMT
вяейski's live killers cover looks like a shot of a scene from a cheap 80's slasher flick. The 1950's greaser, the stereotyped guy character and the pretty boy to the right, and to the left, cloaked in shadow, the murderer with flick knife in hand.
So i guess i agree it's interesting even if it's unsuited for a live album.
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Post by macduff77 on Aug 24, 2020 4:47:24 GMT
Feels like the cover could be the back of the album. I can’t believe they missed out on having a 3D cover of Frank’s arm smashing out of the brick wall!!
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Post by Mustapha Ibrahim on Aug 24, 2020 15:00:16 GMT
To be honest, if they at least used a picture of them performing, maybe with a smile on their faces, it would look a bit more appealing.
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Post by staysweet on Aug 24, 2020 18:30:28 GMT
I’m not sure why the cover picture is important? It used to be, when people bought albums at the record store and flipped through them looking for something. But now it’s all online and you really don’t see it until you have bought it and it arrives (CD)...or not at all if it’s a download. To me, what they did is respectful in that it is muted, being black and white...and specific to the concert mode. No way to get irritated by comparisons to Freddie’s era.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 23:43:56 GMT
I just saw, that QAL have released The Show Must Go On as the first song of the live album. I watched it on YouTube, but it’s also already available on Spotify and ITunes. It sounds and looks brilliant!
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Post by Ri on Aug 28, 2020 0:38:42 GMT
Amazing performers all of them!
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Post by badboybez on Aug 28, 2020 7:16:32 GMT
Nope not for me.
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Post by Nick on Aug 28, 2020 8:53:03 GMT
I just saw, that QAL have released The Show Must Go On as the first song of the live album. I watched it on YouTube, but it’s also already available on Spotify and ITunes. It sounds and looks brilliant! The sound mix is fine. Performance fine. But my god that is one dull video. So many shots of Roger in the dark. The aerial cam showing the lightning rig itself but very little else. Too many two-three second frames. I’ve seen multicam bootlegs with more energy than that.
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Post by Arnaldo Ogre- on Aug 28, 2020 17:48:05 GMT
I just saw, that QAL have released The Show Must Go On as the first song of the live album. I watched it on YouTube, but it’s also already available on Spotify and ITunes. It sounds and looks brilliant! I was not aware it was also on Spotify. Thanks! Cheers, Ogre-
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 28, 2020 19:06:14 GMT
Feels like the cover could be the back of the album. I can’t believe they missed out on having a 3D cover of Frank’s arm smashing out of the brick wall!! Absolutely.
But in this day and age of downloading and streaming albums, the album artwork matters a lot less than it used to.
I'd venture to say the last thoughtful and well-executed cover design for a Queen release was Made In Heaven.
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Post by Nick on Aug 29, 2020 13:40:01 GMT
I'd venture to say the last thoughtful and well-executed cover design for a Queen release was Made In Heaven.
Does the reissue of Wembley count? So much better than the original 1992 release artwork and one of *the* iconic pictures of Freddie on stage.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 29, 2020 16:17:20 GMT
I'd venture to say the last thoughtful and well-executed cover design for a Queen release was Made In Heaven.
Does the reissue of Wembley count? So much better than the original 1992 release artwork and one of *the* iconic pictures of Freddie on stage. OK, I stand corrected there. But the fact that there have been far more misses than hits is pretty telling.
And not just recently. Even in their heyday a lot of their album artwork wasn't great. They sure weren't Pink Floyd in that regard.
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Post by peacelovingguy on Aug 29, 2020 17:55:09 GMT
Does the reissue of Wembley count? So much better than the original 1992 release artwork and one of *the* iconic pictures of Freddie on stage. OK, I stand corrected there. But the fact that there have been far more misses than hits is pretty telling.
And not just recently. Even in their heyday a lot of their album artwork wasn't great. They sure weren't Pink Floyd in that regard.
What’s so great about Pink Floyd album covers other than Dark Side of the Moon? What about that weird blob one? Terrible. I like all of Queen’s album covers up to Hot Space, which is appalling. The Works may lack imagination, but I guess they wanted another Greatest Hits vibe photo. Other than those two, I think all their album covers are very well chosen. I guess the first album cover choice is a bit weird for a new band most renowned for their guitarist, not their singer, but we can consider that one a statement of intent by Freddie. Queen 2, THE iconic band shot. Sheer Heart Attack, great, slightly wacky, tongue in cheek photo. The next 4 albums are all brilliant cover art, it’s take your pick which you like best, (I love the abstract Jazz cover - awesome), and the Game photo is perfect for the simultaneously new and retro 80s Queen. Oh, and Greatest Hits is by that guy who was the cool photographer who shags Princess Margaret in The Crown. A Kind of Magic, fun, iconic, commercial “Disney” Queen. The Miracle - Modern tech impossible to ignore “we’re back” Queen. Innuendo - well, innuendo about life ending through some classy highly symbolic art, and Made in Heaven - iconic Freddie in heaven. Mainly they did a fine job. But Hot Space? How to make a bad album seem even more unlistenable, (if that were possible).
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Post by peacelovingguy on Aug 29, 2020 18:00:46 GMT
Okay, Pink Floyd. The Cow? Whatevs. The Wall? It’s a bland wall. Businessman on fire? Yeah, that one is cool. Pig over Battersea Power station? Yeah, also cool.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 29, 2020 19:32:15 GMT
What’s so great about Pink Floyd album covers other than Dark Side of the Moon? Wish You Were Here pictures someone getting burned while doing a business deal. It was an instantly relatable symbol of 1970s pessimism after the optimism of the summer of love less than a decade earlier.
No Queen album cover (or song) offers any comparable culturally relevant message that was so embraced by society. It's one of countless reasons why Wish You Were Here is seen as one of the greatest albums ever. The middle period of Pink Floyd spoke to people in universal and culturally relevant ways that most bands (including Queen) couldn't begin to touch.
And this is coming from someone whose favourite band is Queen.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 29, 2020 19:57:20 GMT
The Wall? It’s a bland wall. It's what the wall represented - tearing down the walls we build between ourselves and the rest of the world. Another universal message that people deeply related to.
The Wall sold more copies than all of Queen's albums from the decade combined. Let that sink in.
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Post by Rick on Aug 30, 2020 16:26:18 GMT
Okay, Pink Floyd. The Cow? Whatevs. The Wall? It’s a bland wall. Businessman on fire? Yeah, that one is cool. Pig over Battersea Power station? Yeah, also cool. Animals cover is the best, IMHO. Such an underrated album. Has some amazing guitar work on it.
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Post by georg on Aug 31, 2020 13:24:26 GMT
Okay, Pink Floyd. The Cow? Whatevs. The Wall? It’s a bland wall. Businessman on fire? Yeah, that one is cool. Pig over Battersea Power station? Yeah, also cool. Animals cover is the best, IMHO. Such an underrated album. Has some amazing guitar work on it. Not to turn this into a Pink Floyd appreciation thread, but hard agree. Animals, Obscured by Clouds, and The Final Cut are my absolute favorite Pink Floyd albums. I don't get me either.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 31, 2020 13:37:10 GMT
What’s so great about Pink Floyd album covers other than Dark Side of the Moon? Wish You Were Here pictures someone getting burned while doing a business deal. It was an instantly relatable symbol of 1970s pessimism after the optimism of the summer of love less than a decade earlier. No Queen album cover (or song) offers any comparable culturally relevant message that was so embraced by society. It's one of countless reasons why Wish You Were Here is seen as one of the greatest albums ever. exactly. ^ Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar, You're gonna go far, You're gonna fly high, You're never gonna die, You're gonna make it if you try, They're gonna love you. I've always had a deep respect and I mean that most sincerely The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think, Oh, by the way, which one's Pink? And did we tell you the name of the game, boy? We call it "Riding The Gravy Train".
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Post by georg on Aug 31, 2020 13:43:39 GMT
Which is funny, because in 1992, Waters complimented Freddie:
"Earlier in this conversation, Waters 'pointed out' that he was one of the five best writers of music since the War. So who could possibly rank above him, I wonder? With furrowed brow he ponders the question.
"'John Lennon,' he says. 'I'm trying to think,' he says. 'Er, I can't think of anybody else. You see, I don't much like listening to records. I'm a bit isolationist and insular. I'd rather be fishing. The list of great writers is very, very short but I am definitely in it. Er, who else is there that's better than me? I really don't know. Freddie Mercury, maybe...'"
Of course, by this time Freddie was a year dead, so perhaps he was being funny in his own Roger Waters-esque way...
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Post by peacelovingguy on Aug 31, 2020 13:53:46 GMT
The Wall? It’s a bland wall. It's what the wall represented - tearing down the walls we build between ourselves and the rest of the world. Another universal message that people deeply related to.
The Wall sold more copies than all of Queen's albums from the decade combined. Let that sink in.
Impressive as the Wall’s sales no doubt are, because it’s a double album it actually sold half the number you think it did.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 31, 2020 14:18:22 GMT
It's what the wall represented - tearing down the walls we build between ourselves and the rest of the world. Another universal message that people deeply related to.
The Wall sold more copies than all of Queen's albums from the decade combined. Let that sink in.
Impressive as the Wall’s sales no doubt are, because it’s a double album it actually sold half the number you think it did. Not sure that it works like that, does it? An album counts as one unit, whether it's a single, double, triple, or even a box set, as far as I am aware, but I'll happily be corrected.
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