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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 31, 2020 14:21:17 GMT
It's what the wall represented - tearing down the walls we build between ourselves and the rest of the world. Another universal message that people deeply related to.
The Wall sold more copies than all of Queen's albums from the decade combined. Let that sink in.
Impressive as the Wall’s sales no doubt are, because it’s a double album it actually sold half the number you think it did. You're partially right - the RIAA changed that definition in 1992. Before then a double album still counted as one sale. And that's just in the US.
So if 24 million units have sold worldwide since 1979, figuring in the last 28 years of American sales counting as two units each, it's probably still somewhere around 20 million.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 31, 2020 14:41:01 GMT
Which is funny, because in 1992, Waters complimented Freddie: "Earlier in this conversation, Waters 'pointed out' that he was one of the five best writers of music since the War. So who could possibly rank above him, I wonder? With furrowed brow he ponders the question. "'John Lennon,' he says. 'I'm trying to think,' he says. 'Er, I can't think of anybody else. You see, I don't much like listening to records. I'm a bit isolationist and insular. I'd rather be fishing. The list of great writers is very, very short but I am definitely in it. Er, who else is there that's better than me? I really don't know. Freddie Mercury, maybe...'" Of course, by this time Freddie was a year dead, so perhaps he was being funny in his own Roger Waters-esque way... well, we know four of Waters' five: Lennon, Waters, Mercury and McCartney. I say he must've been including Macca - as so much of the Beatles' work overlapped until 66. Even some of Lennon's finest work "A Day In The Life" - needed Macca's lightness to compliment it and draw it out of the dark dankness. even if Macca wasn't in the "five", i know absolutely who Waters' wouldn't have included: Gilmour.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 31, 2020 14:54:07 GMT
Impressive as the Wall’s sales no doubt are, because it’s a double album it actually sold half the number you think it did. Not sure that it works like that, does it? An album counts as one unit, whether it's a single, double, triple, or even a box set, as far as I am aware, but I'll happily be corrected. You're partially right - the RIAA changed that definition in 1992. Before then a double album still counted as one sale. And that's just in the US.
So if 24 million units have sold worldwide since 1979, figuring in the last 28 years of American sales counting as two units each, it's probably still somewhere around 20 million. And it seems I have been corrected. You learn something new every day!
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Post by peacelovingguy on Aug 31, 2020 18:02:32 GMT
Impressive as the Wall’s sales no doubt are, because it’s a double album it actually sold half the number you think it did. Not sure that it works like that, does it? An album counts as one unit, whether it's a single, double, triple, or even a box set, as far as I am aware, but I'll happily be corrected. You're partially right - the RIAA changed that definition in 1992. Before then a double album still counted as one sale. And that's just in the US.
So if 24 million units have sold worldwide since 1979, figuring in the last 28 years of American sales counting as two units each, it's probably still somewhere around 20 million. And it seems I have been corrected. You learn something new every day! www.idolator.com/5051293/toppling-the-wall-the-farce-of-double-counting-in-the-riaas-all-time-platinum-list?andro=1&ios=1&chrome=1Toppling “The Wall”: The Farce Of Double-Counting In The RIAA’s All- Time Platinum List Reading the New York Times obituary of Pink Floyd’s Richard Wright yesterday, I came upon a statistic that the newspaper ran unquestioningly that ticked me off, as it always does when I see similar statements in print: Pink Floyd’s 1979 album, “The Wall,” eventually sold 23 million copies in the United States. No, it didn’t, I grumbled to myself. It’s a double-album—by RIAA math, that means it sold about 11.5 million. SNARL! ...
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Post by peacelovingguy on Aug 31, 2020 18:19:01 GMT
Imagine if John Deacon had done a “Division Bell”, claiming legal ownership of the name “Queen” in the 1990s, kicked May and Taylor out of the band, and sung lead vocals on the entire album. I bet it would still have been better than the Cosmos Rocks. And had better cover art than any Queen release post Innuendo.
Pink Floyd were such an entertainingly dysfunctional band. Talk about creativity through crisis.
Apologies for taking this thread off topic.
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Post by peacelovingguy on Aug 31, 2020 19:01:19 GMT
Apart from Jazz and Innuendo, Queen’s visual imagery is always focused on them, as performers, or the “unit” Queen. The Queen crest is simply symbolic of them in the same way. It’s in keeping with their sense of self aggrandisement or iconic myth making, that they, the band, are always the centre of their musical product. (It seemed to work pretty well as a career strategy!) So it’s unsurprising the QAL cover is focused on them also. Whether it’s good or not, it’ll help to have a physical copy to decide.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 31, 2020 19:20:44 GMT
It seems someone has gone through a pile of photos and said, "That one will do". Like the rest of the album, there doesn't seem to have been much effort put into it. They've just pulled together a bunch of stuff that's already available and made a saleable product out of it, which is what QPL are very good at. Admittedly some work went into the NOTW box, but then the price more than reflected that. £25 for a double CD and a Blu-ray perhaps reflects the amount of work that has gone into to the new live album. But I will still buy it.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Sept 1, 2020 5:07:22 GMT
They've just pulled together a bunch of stuff that's already available and made a saleable product out of it, which is what QPL are very good at. [...] £25 for a double CD and a Blu-ray perhaps reflects the amount of work that has gone into to the new live album. But I will still buy it. And this is why QPL does it - because if they put out shoddy work, a sufficiently large number of people still buy it.
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Post by eiricd on Sept 1, 2020 10:06:07 GMT
I have no interest in QAL. In 2011 I HATED IT, in 2012 I couldn't stand it, and with each passing year I've stopped caring one way or the other. I'm at the point where I would like to like it - simply cause it would be nice to see Brian and Roger live again, one last time.
But the recently released Show must go on clip confirms what I thought in 2011; adam lambert cannot sing rock music. The new clip sounds like what it is; an ageing band with a powerful broadway voice on top...
Age is brutal and shows no mercy, so you can't expect for Brian and Roger to sound as good as they did in 2005-2008 for instance. (huge difference compared to the new clip!!) Still - there's no denying, at least to my ears which has tuned in about twice a year since 2011, that the power of the performance is far from what it used to be..
Having said that; after 8 years and lots of touring, I suppose this release can be justified. Strange compilation though. Reeks of a lazy job, imo. almost every track is already available in very good quality (some even released on the japan 2014 thing?) There have been some impressive stage set ups the last few years, so an indoor arena gig which showcases the set up itself would have made much more sense imo. The cut n paste job is alsoo, imo, the worst way to go about a live release. Especially on video. No flow at all.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 1, 2020 15:02:33 GMT
Apart from Jazz and Innuendo, Queen’s visual imagery is always focused on them, as performers, or the “unit” Queen. The Queen crest is simply symbolic of them in the same way. It’s in keeping with their sense of self aggrandisement or iconic myth making, that they, the band, are always the centre of their musical product. (It seemed to work pretty well as a career strategy!) Image was a big part of Queen's success early on.
It was a lack of image that defined Pink Floyd. Unless you bought Circus magazine or saw them in concert, you barely knew what they looked like. Traditional publicity was not their MO. At their commercial peak they didn't do a single interview.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 1, 2020 15:04:11 GMT
Which is funny, because in 1992, Waters complimented Freddie: "Earlier in this conversation, Waters 'pointed out' that he was one of the five best writers of music since the War. So who could possibly rank above him, I wonder? With furrowed brow he ponders the question. "'John Lennon,' he says. 'I'm trying to think,' he says. 'Er, I can't think of anybody else. You see, I don't much like listening to records. I'm a bit isolationist and insular. I'd rather be fishing. The list of great writers is very, very short but I am definitely in it. Er, who else is there that's better than me? I really don't know. Freddie Mercury, maybe...'" Of course, by this time Freddie was a year dead, so perhaps he was being funny in his own Roger Waters-esque way... well, we know four of Waters' five: Lennon, Waters, Mercury and McCartney. I say he must've been including Macca - as so much of the Beatles' work overlapped until 66. Even some of Lennon's finest work "A Day In The Life" - needed Macca's lightness to compliment it and draw it out of the dark dankness. even if Macca wasn't in the "five", i know absolutely who Waters' wouldn't have included: Gilmour. Maybe Dylan? Joni Mitchell ?
But of course this is grasping at straws now. In that period his ego was out of control. Thank goodness he has found a sense of humility in the September of his years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 14:17:45 GMT
I‘m really looking forward to this live album. But it’s really a shame, that they didn’t include I Want It All. That’s a real showstopper every time! Here is a fantastic, early performance from a Christmas Show they did 2014 in Germany. That was at a time, when they still needed at least a bit of promotion...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 18:52:24 GMT
Have you seen this new video on the Queen YT channel? It shows the impressive show and stage that QAL brings to the table in a time lapse. It also shows how much technique and manpower is behind these shows. If anyone was still wondering, why the tickets are expensive.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 18, 2020 19:55:26 GMT
Have you seen this new video on the Queen YT channel? It shows the impressive show and stage that QAL brings to the table in a time lapse. It also shows how much technique and manpower is behind these shows. If anyone was still wondering, why the tickets are expensive. It's certainly spectacular. As it happens, Don't Stop Me Now is one song that I don't really think Adam does all that well, and they seem to play it too slow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 20:42:56 GMT
Have you seen this new video on the Queen YT channel? It shows the impressive show and stage that QAL brings to the table in a time lapse. It also shows how much technique and manpower is behind these shows. If anyone was still wondering, why the tickets are expensive. It's certainly spectacular. As it happens, Don't Stop Me Now is one song that I don't really think Adam does all that well, and they seem to play it too slow. They play it a bit slower than the live versions with Freddie. The tempo is like they recorded it. Happens to a few more songs. I just don’t over-analyze these things. Live at the show, the song works.
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Post by Jake12 on Oct 1, 2020 23:32:31 GMT
Roger confirms.. NO overdubs on Queen+Adam Live Album.Must be nice. Wish the older Queen fans got this simple treatment. 46:55 youtu.be/9IS5W9lH6U0
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Post by Ri on Oct 2, 2020 4:08:47 GMT
*for older concerts for all fans. But yes agreed, same thought immediately when he said that last night.
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Post by DasTarD on Oct 2, 2020 7:34:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 9:16:27 GMT
What are your opinions on the new album? I think it’s well-produced, and greatly put together! I have to say that their collaboration states more that we miss Freddie and John, than that they’ve recovered from it. Adam is a great singer, and I’m starting to get a little used to him with the songs, but when Love Of My Life started playing I immediately released that Freddie was the leadsinger of Queen, and he’s not to be fully replaced. An example of Adam as a Queen singer is 2:33 in WWTLF. He can sing rough, but still defers a lot from Freddie!
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Oct 2, 2020 9:49:59 GMT
Jake12 Ri DasTarD @youngqueenfan - your comments have been moved to the album general thread - as this is better suited for all discussion surrounding the current live LP. cheers
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Post by DasTarD on Oct 2, 2020 9:56:33 GMT
Thanks !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 10:02:06 GMT
BrƎИsꓘi, sorry didn’t know this tread was already there. Thanks!
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Post by Frank on Oct 2, 2020 10:15:53 GMT
Happy to be finally listening to the new album. I've gone to several shows and have enjoyed each one immensely. But for whatever reason, when I popped on the record and listened to Tear It Up, I felt this huge, empty void. I think Adam is a phenomenal singer and has great presence, but it did take me a few tracks to settle in to the album. Ironically, by Love Kills, a Freddie song, I was finally warming up to the album.
I'm glad to find out that there aren't any overdubs. Yes, it's been mixed, but it needed to be, especially considering it's a compilation from different concerts. It does feels like one concert, which is cool...even though I would have preferred it actually be one concert. Now I just need to wait for my CD/Blu-ray copy...won't get that until Tuesday.
I hope everyone else is enjoying the album too.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 2, 2020 10:19:12 GMT
Mine arrived this morning, but given that I've heard most of it already, I'm not actually in any rush to listen to it. That's not to slag it off, just that it isn't a priority at the moment.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Oct 2, 2020 10:19:31 GMT
BrƎИsꓘi, sorry didn’t know this tread was already there. Thanks! no worries. there were actually three threads running. made sense to tidy them up - makes sense for people searching for specific replies/comments.
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Post by jjmillenium on Oct 2, 2020 13:34:56 GMT
is it just me or tear it up is edited on the album?
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Oct 2, 2020 14:59:17 GMT
is it just me or tear it up is edited on the album? i think it's safe to assume there'll be a few cuts/edits. the dvd/blueray runs to 98m 22s, but a single CD limit is around 78mins. therefore, you've like 20+ minutes of cuts/edits. when the guitar solo and drum battle are removed, there's still not enough capacity, so some additional edits are necessary.
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Post by Maxi Dries on Oct 2, 2020 15:45:52 GMT
Now I'm here is also well edited around the solo.
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Post by Raf on Oct 2, 2020 17:31:06 GMT
I really enjoy the QAL project, I've seen them live and I really would like to see them again. But I didn't think much of this album... It was great that they included Love Kills and I Was Born To Love You, but it misses other songs that worked really well with Adam's voice, as well as non-Adam moments like Roger singing AKOM and/or TATDOOL. I've also found it a little too short - I wish they'd gone with a 2CD format to fit more songs and make it more like an actual 2-hour-long QAL concert.
Not trying to revive the Pink Floyd x Queen argument from a month ago, but today Roger Waters' US + THEM live album was also released and I really think it does a better job out of bringing us the full experience of a US + THEM tour than QAL's album does. QAL's sound more like some kind of "teaser" for their tours than an actual attempt at making you relive the concerts.
Waters also didn't mind "wasting" 25 minutes of his album with Dogs and Pigs and another 20 on new songs - not to mention playing pretty much all of DSOTM and ignoring some cliches one would expect from any PF-related concert, like Comfortably Numb. I wish QAL would've made the album longer, thrown the old fans another couple of bones (It's Late?) and maybe even added some "new" stuff (Ghost Town?).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 17:37:25 GMT
Raf, you're totally right! A 2cd would've surely made it better and some "deep cuts" too!
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