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Post by n39 on Dec 4, 2020 13:05:45 GMT
Don't suppose there's any bootleg audio out there of the March '74 Rainbow concert which has Fairy Feller on it? As good as the official release is, Freddie is heavily overdubbed/pitch-corrected, would be interested to hear what he actually sang that night.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Dec 6, 2020 12:35:48 GMT
If there was, we wouldn't have been so surprised that the song was ever performed live in the first place.
I doubt it's been overdubbed at all, by the way. Pitch-corrected like hell, though.
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Post by n39 on Dec 6, 2020 13:33:06 GMT
If there was, we wouldn't have been so surprised that the song was ever performed live in the first place. I doubt it's been overdubbed at all, by the way. Pitch-corrected like hell, though. Apologies, wasn't sure which term was correct! Yes, it's a shame there are no bootlegs out there. Would've been interesting to hear what Freddie actually sang
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Post by readyeddie on Jan 27, 2021 12:39:53 GMT
Don't suppose there's any bootleg audio out there of the March '74 Rainbow concert which has Fairy Feller on it? As good as the official release is, Freddie is heavily overdubbed/pitch-corrected, would be interested to hear what he actually sang that night. I've been in contact with someone previously, who was at that March show and when he bought the Rainbow CD set, he said it was like being there again, and that he remembers TFFMS sounding exactly like that. But until we get a raw mix, which is very much doubt, we'll never know
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Jan 27, 2021 15:01:05 GMT
Don't suppose there's any bootleg audio out there of the March '74 Rainbow concert which has Fairy Feller on it? As good as the official release is, Freddie is heavily overdubbed/pitch-corrected, would be interested to hear what he actually sang that night. I've been in contact with someone previously, who was at that March show and when he bought the Rainbow CD set, he said it was like being there again, and that he remembers TFFMS sounding exactly like that. But until we get a raw mix, which is very much doubt, we'll never know No offense of any kind meant to you or your contact, but I wouldn't trust my own memory on the fine details of a concert two years ago, let alone someone else's 40 years or more after the fact.
Compared to the vocal harmonies in other songs we do have 1973-75 era bootleg recordings of, I do think TFFMS sounds eerily perfect. And if they could do it *that* well, why on earth did they never play it again?
Like you said, we can never be sure unless a raw version somehow emerges, but I am skeptical.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jan 27, 2021 16:16:13 GMT
No offense of any kind meant to you or your contact, but I wouldn't trust my own memory on the fine details of a concert two years ago, let alone someone else's 40 years or more after the fact.
Compared to the vocal harmonies in other songs we do have 1973-75 era bootleg recordings of, I do think TFFMS sounds eerily perfect. And if they could do it *that* well, why on earth did they never play it again? Like you said, we can never be sure unless a raw version somehow emerges, but I am skeptical.
exactly. there are much less arduous songs from this period - requiring none of the vocal gymnastics of FFMS, and yet this one sounds so much better than most. you just don't nail it like this, and make mistakes in the easier stuff.
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Post by DasTarD on Jan 27, 2021 18:55:43 GMT
So I found myself listening to the left channel of the studio version of this song (without the mid section), and I found a vocal part that doesn't sound like Freddie, Brian or Roger, the first part ends a bit out of key, could this be John secretly hidden in this track?
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jan 27, 2021 19:14:57 GMT
So I found myself listening to the left channel of the studio version of this song (without the mid section), and I found a vocal part that doesn't sound like Freddie, Brian or Roger, the first part ends a bit out of key, could this be John secretly hidden in this track? i'm pretty confident that's Freddie. If it ain't one of his own harmonies/backing vocals - then it could be his own guide vocal.
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Post by DasTarD on Jan 27, 2021 19:16:00 GMT
Well at close listening it could be Freddie, but it ticked me off because it is out of key.
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Post by Chinwonder2 on Jan 27, 2021 19:18:18 GMT
I think it's Freddie in his lower range, if it was John it would sound a bit more nasally.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jan 27, 2021 19:30:46 GMT
Well at close listening it could be Freddie, but it ticked me off because it is out of key. yes and no. it's "out of key" in isolation. but when you think how many times those lines were sang (in different keys) to build up the final lead vocal track - then it makes that particular "layer" all the more disciplined. think about the ingenuity of knowing exactly what is needed to produce the end result. that's impressive.
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Post by DasTarD on Jan 27, 2021 19:53:03 GMT
I meant with the out of key statement, that the "trumpeter" word is not holding the note, so... out of key. It's just so odd that this was left in there, maybe by mistake.
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Post by angusscrimm on Jan 27, 2021 21:41:48 GMT
It's definitely Freddie. I'd know that Marc Martel soundalike anywhere.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jan 27, 2021 22:31:39 GMT
It's just so odd that this was left in there, maybe by mistake. i don't think so. read my post again. it's not about one isolated part. it's about the sum of the parts. layer upon layer upon layer - to complete the vocal take. i'm suggesting that there's a strong possibility that your "out of key" part was intentional in order to achieve an overall specific finished vocal sound - and (maybe) the finished vocal wouldn't sound quite right with your "out of key" element removed? let me give you an example of what i mean: Penny Lane - (IMO) one of the greatest pop tunes ever made...if you get a chance try and dig out all the different takes, overdubs etc. listen to these in particular: Overdub Session Take 4 Take 6 harmonies Flutes rs95 Trumpets rs95 these sound (in isolation) like a complete mess - but Mccartney knew what he was aiming for and when you put all of the takes/elements together it's a genuinely genius piece of song construction. The exact same applies to freddie and FFMS - you don't get the "out of key" bits, then the song might not sound the same - or as good. just my two-bob.
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Post by DasTarD on Jan 27, 2021 22:35:04 GMT
I know exactly what you mean, it was done in Bohemian Rhapsody, and it is possible it was done here, it just sounds weird, because the harmonies on the right channel were so perfect.
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Post by DotNickCore on Jan 28, 2021 2:55:44 GMT
I don't think the raw mix will reveal a lot, but I certainly won't deny that TFFMS has been pitch-corrected.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 13:58:35 GMT
Definitely Frederick. That album was done relatively quickly and cheaply, so there may not have been enough time to re-record that part, and/or Frederick deliberately wanted it that way to add to the madness of the track.
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Post by oreno on Jan 29, 2021 12:59:23 GMT
I'd love to think it was John, but nah.
Was listening to Queen II on headphones yesterday and it's surprisingly audible as part of the track, although the last (pitchy) bit gets a bit drowned out, so it doesn't stick out at all.
In the end it's just a low vocal part, replicating the main melody but an octave down.
Cool stuff though, always love to hear these constituent parts, particularly from the earlier albums.
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Post by angusscrimm on Jan 29, 2021 14:50:59 GMT
Pitch-corrected, whatever - it was still a joyous moment when this first came to light. I can still remember how excited I was when I heard the preview prior to the album's release.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Jan 29, 2021 16:39:41 GMT
Pitch-corrected, whatever - it was still a joyous moment when this first came to light. I can still remember how excited I was when I heard the preview prior to the album's release. Absolutely. It was a total bolt out of the blue. But I'd still like to hear it as it *really* sounded.
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Post by Rick on Feb 8, 2021 19:01:18 GMT
In addition to this matter, I also think Roger's screams on In The Lap of the Gods at the Rainbow are overdubbed. They sound too perfect to be live. I haven't heard a bootleg where he does it so incredibly well.
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Post by readyeddie on Feb 18, 2021 18:45:27 GMT
In addition to this matter, I also think Roger's screams on In The Lap of the Gods at the Rainbow are overdubbed. They sound too perfect to be live. I haven't heard a bootleg where he does it so incredibly well. It will be pitch-corrected, not overdubs, one of the main points of the 2014 release of the November, was to remove overdubs. Probably not the case for the March show
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Post by CamAaron on Feb 19, 2021 7:47:57 GMT
In addition to this matter, I also think Roger's screams on In The Lap of the Gods at the Rainbow are overdubbed. They sound too perfect to be live. I haven't heard a bootleg where he does it so incredibly well. The best screams from ITLOTG we have are from Cologne 1974-12-06. They weren't perfect, but for sure they were excellent. It could still be possible that the Rainbow ones were incredible, but the only way to know that would be with a raw recording.
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