Lplix
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Post by Lplix on Dec 7, 2020 20:10:19 GMT
Hi,
This my question is about what is official;
- official realase (everything is purchasable) YES
- dts 5.1 from DVD converted in mp3 or audio file ?
- multitrack ?
- track on official sites but not purchasable ?
it is not a trick question, but only a clarification for the future.
songs like The Call is official? (Isnât purchasable)
Demos are officials? (Is well known who wrote and interpreted them)
I'm sorry to have posted Shore of Formentera, but when I uploaded it I didn't remember that it was that song, however a song never released and put up for sale.
If you can answer, please.
Thanks and best regards
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Post by The Real Wizard on Dec 7, 2020 20:55:34 GMT
First and foremost - no posting official material if it is available to purchase, full stop. This forum should not be dissuading anyone from purchasing things if they're able to do so.
But beyond that there is gray area. We're well aware that the overwhelming majority of people who come to a forum like this have purchased every official studio/live/compilation album in multiple formats, and the things available here are intended to be enjoyed by that demographic. If it's something that's long out of print, then it's a case by case basis as the band nor their label will see a loss in revenue with it being available for download (and if it's ever released again, the links will go down immediately). Parts of an official release that are somehow improved, like extracting a single channel from a 5.1 mix to reveal something unusual, are another exception.
The Shores Of Formentera wasn't officially released per se, but being available on an artist's official website pretty well counts as an official release in this day and age even if it wasn't monetized. Happy to discuss this one further. But it's already on YouTube for free - isn't that good enough ? It's not like it was lossless to begin with.
Studio outtakes are allowed, as long as they haven't been officially released.
Any of this is subject to change at any time, should Queen Productions or their label express any wishes to the contrary.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Dec 7, 2020 21:30:08 GMT
Just to add to Bob's excellent points, there has to be some 'grey areas', and case-by-case judgements, because if there were hard and fast explicit rules, we would have to disallow more uploads, such as those which include enhancements and improvements, that people here have worked hard to produce and share with us.
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Post by saintjiub on Dec 8, 2020 1:02:05 GMT
I recall that some honest, sensible youtubers had trouble with sharing gray area Queen items that have never been on sale, and have received warnings or had their accounts shut down because of this?
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Post by The Real Wizard on Dec 8, 2020 6:30:04 GMT
I recall that some honest, sensible youtubers had trouble with sharing gray area Queen items that have never been on sale, and have received warnings or had their accounts shut down because of this? YouTube is a whole other animal because videos can be monetized. Of course the band and their label are going to be more stringent there, as nobody should be profiting off their music except them.
But sometimes it's bots that target things on random, and anyone at any time can fall in the crosshairs. I know artists who have put up their own music and it got taken down, and meanwhile entire studio albums are allowed to roam free. It's pretty unreal that a company as big as Google has yet to sort out such discrepancies. But maybe that's why - even in this day and age of Twitter shaming corporations to make heads roll, Google is so big that there aren't any consequences for not giving a shit.
Bottom line - have fun out there, and just hope it doesn't happen to you.
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Lplix
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Post by Lplix on Dec 8, 2020 7:09:35 GMT
ok, good to know. thanks
regarding shore of Formentera it was just for info. I posted it because I didn't recognize it, but immediately after I posted the fact that I recognized the track, but I forgot to remove the link (because it's a known song, honestly not because I thought it was official).
best regards
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Post by antonio on Dec 8, 2020 7:41:11 GMT
The Bohemian Rhapsody French edit was (or is) official. But there is not any way to get it except the second hand market, this mean QPL won´t see a single ⏠of anyone who buys this 7" because is out of print for 45 years.
So...Even being an official item...It could be shared here with no problems, couldn´t it?
At the end the main problem of the piracy: The band won´t get the money. But let´s face it, the band won´t get money from this BH French edit for example...Unless they re-release it...Because it´s a single which is not on their actual company and they don´t have it for sell.
Obviously we won´t share here Keep Yourself Alive or The Show Must Go On, but there are many (old)official songs that could be shared...
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Post by Lord Fickle on Dec 8, 2020 10:49:18 GMT
The Bohemian Rhapsody French edit was (or is) official. But there is not any way to get it except the second hand market, this mean QPL won´t see a single ⏠of anyone who buys this 7" because is out of print for 45 years. So...Even being an official item...It could be shared here with no problems, couldn´t it? At the end the main problem of the piracy: The band won´t get the money. But let´s face it, the band won´t get money from this BH French edit for example...Unless they re-release it...Because it´s a single which is not on their actual company and they don´t have it for sell. Obviously we won´t share here Keep Yourself Alive or The Show Must Go On, but there are many (old)official songs that could be shared... This is one of the 'grey areas' because even though the track cannot be purchased in that form, it would still be covered under copyright laws, so, technically, it would be illegal to share it. In these cases, maybe a workaround would be to upload the track to a YouTube account, then share the link? That way, you're not providing a direct download link on here, and it's up to YouTube whether they allow it or disallow it. If people want to download the track from YouTube, there are ways to do this, such as using programs like Any Video Converter, which can also be used to extract the audio from video downloads. |
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Post by antonio on Dec 8, 2020 11:35:06 GMT
I think you´re wrong in one thing. It´s not illegal to share anything. You can let your Queen Cds to a neighbor and you won´t do anything illegal. You can do with your CDs whatever you want. (Unless you earn money with them sharing the songs...)
Now replace "let your CDs to" with "upload them to your Mega account and send the link to your neighbor" . I can´t see any difference...
What´s the problem? To share these things you should use some pages which earn money thanks to visits/users and things like that...It´s not so easy
In the end...If i want to get a song, i´ll be able to get it, paying or for free.
Having said this. Rules here are clear. But as you say, there are some things which are not forbidden but if they weren´t shared here, it would avoid any problem
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Post by Lord Fickle on Dec 8, 2020 11:46:56 GMT
I think you´re wrong in one thing. It´s not illegal to share anything. You can let your Queen Cds to a neighbor and you won´t do anything illegal. You can do with your CDs whatever you want. (Unless you earn money with them sharing the songs...) Now replace "let your CDs to" with "upload them to your Mega account and send the link to your neighbor" . I can´t see any difference... What´s the problem? To share these things you should use some pages which earn money thanks to visits/users and things like that...It´s not so easy In the end...If i want to get a song, i´ll be able to get it, paying or for free. Actually there is a difference between lending a CD to a neighbour, and uploading it to your Mega account, as by uploading it you are making a copy for distribution (even if only to one person), and that's the part which is illegal. Yes, you can get songs for free from various sources, but we have to largely abide by the rules of our forum hosts, otherwise, if we push things too far, we could ultimately be closed down. |
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Post by antonio on Dec 8, 2020 12:02:42 GMT
Well, i said Mega because it´s known by everyone...But let´s say "I make a private FTP and i send the link to my neighbor"
That was the idea i wanted to say.
The general idea of "as you´re uploading this CD to the internet you´re going to distribuite it" well you have to demostrate this. This has been the main "problem" to many many pages which offer things "for free" . They aren´t shutdown because it´s not so easy to do.
Yes, i´m being the Devil's Advocate but you know what i mean ;-)
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Post by Lord Fickle on Dec 8, 2020 13:02:38 GMT
Well, i said Mega because it´s known by everyone...But let´s say "I make a private FTP and i send the link to my neighbor" That was the idea i wanted to say. The general idea of "as you´re uploading this CD to the internet you´re going to distribuite it" well you have to demostrate this. This has been the main "problem" to many many pages which offer things "for free" . They aren´t shutdown because it´s not so easy to do. Yes, i´m being the Devil's Advocate but you know what i mean ;-) There is no grey area with regards copying and distribution of copyrighted music. You're technically not even allowed to rip a CD to play in your car now, as the Musicians Union challenged a change in the law. So, no matter how much you want to nit-pick it, it's illegal to copy and share copyrighted material, by whatever means. www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-33566933 |
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Post by antonio on Dec 8, 2020 13:31:14 GMT
But you´re talking about UK...In Spain, there are differences. Even some lawyers sued (and won) ... Maybe here, someone knows David Bravo, a lawyer who has spent some years with this.
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