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Post by fras444 on Feb 1, 2021 15:44:38 GMT
I have just signed up to Spotify Premium recently and I was blown away by the amount of some amazing hidden gems in regards to the shit load ton of live, Pete Willis/(NWOBHM) era of Def Leppard tracks... I mean.... An era of Def Leppard that Joe Elliott has mentioned many times his dislike, embarrassment, distancing of that era when Def Leppard were regarded as a heavy metal band. Along with a ton load of material that is also on the Metallica section (shame that there are no Dave Mustaine era songs although I believe that one or two are dragging the chain in that regards...) they have released so much live material and some of which are very very raw recordings along with all the raw demo takes of their songs etc etc...
It is such a crying shame that Queen have yet to follow.... (They should have been leading the likes of these bands that looked up to Queen...) and release the many live tracks and demos that are hidden deep within the Iron Curtain of Queens vaults.
I mean if Joe has been an out spoken member in a negative way regarding their beginnings and the heavy sound that he has distanced his band from.....(Yet all of this material has seen the light of day and has been shared to the dieheart Def fans...)
I wonder if Brian looks back with similar feelings of some embarrassment regarding that heavy metal sound, something like Joe... that he want's to distance Queen from or.... Does he look back heavily (pardon the pun) on a brief moment of sound that he longed for Queen to be more know for.
He has mentioned on a clip I saw years ago of Brian, watching a piece of tape from the Hammersmith (Liar) and saying to a interviewer how he feels somewhat embarrassed looking back at that moment of time and the sort of music they were playing...
Anyway...
Let's hope that Queen can look to release in a proper way....(not wait for the estate to be sorted after Brian's and Rogers passing) some of these hidden gem concerts and that they Brian, Roger and John have a hand in how that material is released and boxed
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Post by 85guild on Feb 1, 2021 17:15:11 GMT
I'm so confused by their position and why they push projects that they do. Queen's early stuff from Queen to NOTW is amazing, barely a filler track and tons of adventurous playing and writing. Jazz was supposedly their weakest to date and still has 3 standards on radio to this day. Brian often bemoans the fact that people see Queen as a singles band, yet every release is the same Greatest Hits variation. Can't play It's Late for more than a few shows because people will not know it yet Tear it Up gets into the setlist, another song no one knows. For years Brian has commented on looking back at the catalogue and finding imperfections to stop him or QP from releasing anything. Yet he is full bore into BTTL, and commented on Driven by You and it's importance to him. That song wouldn't have gotten a sniff on first 7 Queen albums, and is nothing but an ok pop song/advertisement with great playing by Brian which is a given. But he wants to get behind that (and Kings Daughters, and Kerry Ellis) which the majority of fans don't care about. The catalogue is arguably second to The Beatles in terms of value, and it is crying for a definitive release. Do not understand. BTW, I hate the negativity of the internet and Brian is a hero who has probably accomplished more this week than I will in a lifetime  so no hate here. A little frustration. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Feb 1, 2021 17:33:44 GMT
My feeling, perhaps cynically, perhaps realistically, is that they will only release stuff that they think will be of commercial success. I don't know the figures, but purely speculatively, I would guess that something like 75% of Queen fans are the Greatest Hits brigade who have never even heard the likes of It's Late, White Man or The Prophet's Song. They wouldn't release old concerts on a bog standard CD because a lot of people won't know most of the songs, and therefore won't buy it, but make it a big expensive box set and it appeals to enough of the serious collectors with money to burn, to make it commercially viable. Put out another Greatest Hits type CD, which costs naff all to produce, and it will sell by the millions.
Also, with regards product and performance quality, people complain when they hear a minor edit or a vocal tweaked by autotune, but can you imagine the furore if they released a live recording, warts and all? The accusations would then be flying around that they're fleecing fans by shoving out any old shit. They really can't win on that score, and it's not as though they still have Freddie around to correct some of the vocals, so that must make it all the more difficult.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Feb 1, 2021 17:55:53 GMT
Also, with regards product and performance quality, people complain when they hear a minor edit or a vocal tweaked by autotune, but can you imagine the furore if they released a live recording, warts and all? The accusations would then be flying around that they're fleecing fans by shoving out any old shit. Nah, I doubt it. But if that happened, that would say a lot more about those fans than the band or the material.
King Crimson has released a bunch of box sets with uncut shows. There's no good reason why Queen or any other band can't do it too. As much as artists all have their own feelings of self-consciousness about their imperfections, it's not like worse quality copies aren't already on YouTube. But good luck going to someone who's 70+ years old and changing their mind about anything, let alone something this sensitive to them.
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Post by fras444 on Feb 1, 2021 22:53:32 GMT
I mean Def Leppard, Joe was very critical of their earlier albums, particularly On through the Night but to have all of those live songs on offer on Spotify. Brian and Roger don't have to do much if they are that way inclined and just released as is, any live recordings in their vaults... But... I mean... It would be fantastic if they made an effort and boxed something together and released it as an official Queen product..
Imagine something along the lines of....
Queen I
Studio out-takes I mean really scrape the barrel anything related Queen I 1970-73
Key full live performances 1970-1973 for the Queen I promotion.
Key performances of Queen I songs and rarities such as Hangman and the like
A little write up about their thoughts on each song and Queen I as a whole, a running commentary or something like that regarding their thoughts now of the album
Official/bootleg video
Something along the lines of Queen I through the years (Brian's own through space and time) showcase the progression of Queen I songs from 1970 to 1986 - 1991 - 2021
Something like what Metallica has done was fantastic and even Pink Floyd releasing the Syd Barret stuff. But even if it is a Def Leppard halfhearted/fuck it lets release everything as is.
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Post by fras444 on Feb 1, 2021 23:01:00 GMT
Do you guys feel that when Live at the Rainbow and even Hammersmith was released... They missed an golden opportunity to do a running commentary on that live performance?
I loved listening to the one that they did with 'Live at the Bowl...' Hearing them talk about Freddie's skill on guitar during Crazy little thing and Brian saying... "Anyone who dismisses Freddie on Guitar and can play Ogre Battle at the speed Freddie did on acoustic... be my guest" Something long those lines.... I was so excited for the Live at the Rainbow and hearing them look back and talk about those earlier years, those heavy songs... Hearing their reaction when John sung into Freddie's mic during Liar, the bass solo, the guitar solo, the drum solo...
It was such a shame that they didn't do a full running commentary for what was a very heavy rock band at the time and their honest thoughts on those days
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Post by Lord Fickle on Feb 2, 2021 0:23:07 GMT
Do you guys feel that when Live at the Rainbow and even Hammersmith was released... They missed an golden opportunity to do a running commentary on that live performance? I loved listening to the one that they did with 'Live at the Bowl...' Hearing them talk about Freddie's skill on guitar during Crazy little thing and Brian saying... "Anyone who dismisses Freddie on Guitar and can play Ogre Battle at the speed Freddie did on acoustic... be my guest" Something long those lines.... I was so excited for the Live at the Rainbow and hearing them look back and talk about those earlier years, those heavy songs... Hearing their reaction when John sung into Freddie's mic during Liar, the bass solo, the guitar solo, the drum solo... It was such a shame that they didn't do a full running commentary for what was a very heavy rock band at the time and their honest thoughts on those days I must admit, that could have been very entertaining. |
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Post by staysweet on Feb 4, 2021 15:44:40 GMT
Do you guys feel that when Live at the Rainbow and even Hammersmith was released... They missed an golden opportunity to do a running commentary on that live performance? I loved listening to the one that they did with 'Live at the Bowl...' Hearing them talk about Freddie's skill on guitar during Crazy little thing and Brian saying... "Anyone who dismisses Freddie on Guitar and can play Ogre Battle at the speed Freddie did on acoustic... be my guest" Something long those lines.... I was so excited for the Live at the Rainbow and hearing them look back and talk about those earlier years, those heavy songs... Hearing their reaction when John sung into Freddie's mic during Liar, the bass solo, the guitar solo, the drum solo... It was such a shame that they didn't do a full running commentary for what was a very heavy rock band at the time and their honest thoughts on those days Absolutely...and I keep hoping they will do that commentary for their 50th anniversary...or at the very least do a commentary on Queen and Queen II. |
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Post by pimderks on Feb 4, 2021 16:38:36 GMT
King Crimson has released a bunch of box sets with uncut shows. There's no good reason why Queen or any other band can't do it too. As much as artists all have their own feelings of self-consciousness about their imperfections, it's not like worse quality copies aren't already on YouTube. But good luck going to someone who's 70+ years old and changing their mind about anything, let alone something this sensitive to them.
King Crimson and Jethro Tull have some of the best reissues programmes out there. The most recent King Crimson box was dedicated to just their debut and performances in 1969. I think it's 24 discs in total. Not something I listen to a lot, but it's awesome that's it out there for those who are interested. |
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Post by Plengel on Feb 6, 2021 15:28:10 GMT
King Crimson has released a bunch of box sets with uncut shows. There's no good reason why Queen or any other band can't do it too. As much as artists all have their own feelings of self-consciousness about their imperfections, it's not like worse quality copies aren't already on YouTube. But good luck going to someone who's 70+ years old and changing their mind about anything, let alone something this sensitive to them.
King Crimson and Jethro Tull have some of the best reissues programmes out there. The most recent King Crimson box was dedicated to just their debut and performances in 1969. I think it's 24 discs in total. Not something I listen to a lot, but it's awesome that's it out there for those who are interested. The price of that boxset is also insane. I have a copy of their great debut album, but that's all I know of them. So, no reason for me to buy that boxset, but if Queen would offer something like that for the same price, it would be a no-brainer! |
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Post by pimderks on Feb 6, 2021 19:46:24 GMT
140 euros for 24+ discs is cheap. I think the NOTW box was 120 euros or something for 4 discs and a vinyl record.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Feb 6, 2021 19:57:33 GMT
140 euros for 24+ discs is cheap. I think the NOTW box was 120 euros or something for 4 discs and a vinyl record. And I would guess at least half of us don't have anything to play the vinyl on, but we still had to buy it. 🙄 |
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so no hate here. A little frustration. 
