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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 18, 2021 19:57:04 GMT
There's been all kinds of discussions about The Works tour over the years, mainly about how Freddie Mercury's voice wasn't at its best for the bulk of it.
But I have a theory that's going to turn it on its head. One of those "necessity is the mother of invention" type things.
After the first few nights of the tour his voice was starting to show signs of strain, and as September 1984 wore on he started to sing in falsetto at a couple set spots during the gigs. By 9/27 in Stuttgart it was popping up all over the show. For example, this bit in Under Pressure didn't exist even a week earlier:
Developing his falsetto eventually led to some fantastic impromptus in 1985-86. And the following year he produced his masterwork in falsetto - an outtake later dubbed Exercises in Free Love. I'm sure it wasn't even intended for release, as it was essentially him demoing Montserrat Caballé's parts for what would become Ensueño.
Question is - had Mercury not gone through this rough patch, would this piece have even happened ?
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Post by pg on Apr 18, 2021 20:46:17 GMT
I don't hold exercises.... in particularly high esteem, so for me it isn't a price worth paying.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Apr 19, 2021 6:53:58 GMT
That's a really interesting thought. Earlier on, I think falsetto parts were mostly (entirely?) left to Roger. Your chronology for Freddie making it a regular part of his performance seems to hold up. I'm now wondering if there are other, earlier, tapes out there of performances where Freddie's voice faltered with him using falsetto in spots, or whether it really started in '84. Whichever one it is, I wonder what inspired him to even try it.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 19, 2021 7:25:57 GMT
Earlier on, I think falsetto parts were mostly (entirely?) left to Roger. Your chronology for Freddie making it a regular part of his performance seems to hold up. I'm now wondering if there are other, earlier, tapes out there of performances where Freddie's voice faltered with him using falsetto in spots, or whether it really started in '84. Brian did some of the falsetto bits too - he was the highest voicing in the Ogre Battle screams.
The front of house guy fumbled with the faders on this night to our benefit:
And Freddie scarcely did falsetto live before '84. In The Lap Of The Gods...Revisited in '74 and You Take My Breath Away in '76 are about all I can think of.
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Post by Ryan Newton on Apr 19, 2021 7:42:44 GMT
And Freddie scarcely did falsetto live before '84. In The Lap Of The Gods...Revisited in '74 and You Take My Breath Away in '76 are about all I can think of.
Lazing On a Sunday Afternoon also usually had a falsetto bit in 1976 ("Thursdays I go waltzing to the zoo" and "Fridays I go painting in the Louvre") There are some scattered moments on the News of the World Tour as well but its not very regular. |
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Apr 19, 2021 7:43:12 GMT
Wow, I would never have guessed about Brian!
The scarcity of Freddie-performed live falsetto before '84 makes the question even more fascinating - something must've given him the idea. We'll probably never know for sure, but I wonder how it came about.
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Post by qsmjohn on Apr 19, 2021 14:29:39 GMT
Very good question! In the studio he had nice falsetto bits in the Hot Space era, but never tried things like impromptu live in '82.
His voice change from the 70s to the 80s is a very interesting topic and I heard a lot of people say it's caused by smoking but didn't he take singing lessons too? Does somebody know? Maybe it has to do something with that.
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Post by akirafish on Apr 19, 2021 14:37:38 GMT
Very good question! In the studio he had nice falsetto bits in the Hot Space era, but never tried things like impromptu live in '82. His voice change from the 70s to the 80s is a very interesting topic and I heard a lot of people say it's caused by smoking but didn't he take singing lessons too? Does somebody know? Maybe it has to do something with that. I think a few of Mercury's interviews said he didn't take singing lessons, like in the '85 Australian Molly show and others. |
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Post by akirafish on Apr 19, 2021 14:39:34 GMT
And Freddie scarcely did falsetto live before '84. In The Lap Of The Gods...Revisited in '74 and You Take My Breath Away in '76 are about all I can think of.
Lazing On a Sunday Afternoon also usually had a falsetto bit in 1976 ("Thursdays I go waltzing to the zoo" and "Fridays I go painting in the Louvre") There are some scattered moments on the News of the World Tour as well but its not very regular. There are numerous falsettos here and there in the 1969 Ibex recordings, if that counts. |
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Post by qsmjohn on Apr 19, 2021 14:41:26 GMT
Very good question! In the studio he had nice falsetto bits in the Hot Space era, but never tried things like impromptu live in '82. His voice change from the 70s to the 80s is a very interesting topic and I heard a lot of people say it's caused by smoking but didn't he take singing lessons too? Does somebody know? Maybe it has to do something with that. I think a few of Mercury's interviews said he didn't take singing lessons, like in the '85 Australian Molly show and others. Yeah, you're right. I forgot this. But his voice really changed over time in the way he used it. |
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Post by Dimitris on Apr 19, 2021 14:50:50 GMT
Did he do falsetto on Kiss FG soundtrack?
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Post by jo on Apr 19, 2021 15:56:23 GMT
I know that official story is that Freddie never had any formal voice training but I remember reading in one source that he had in fact had some informal training from an opera singer/trainer sometime in the early 1980's. Unfortunately I can't remember where I picked that up from but I do know at the time I recognized it was at odds to the official story.
My guess, for what it's worth, is that his use of falsetto was a sign of the times. It was everywhere in popular music. Mercury was as much an adopter as he was an innovator.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 19, 2021 17:04:15 GMT
Very good question! In the studio he had nice falsetto bits in the Hot Space era, but never tried things like impromptu live in '82. His voice change from the 70s to the 80s is a very interesting topic and I heard a lot of people say it's caused by smoking but didn't he take singing lessons too? Does somebody know? Maybe it has to do something with that. I think a few of Mercury's interviews said he didn't take singing lessons, like in the '85 Australian Molly show and others. That's just PR. It may well have been a pride issue, as one of the greatest singers in the world may not have wanted to admit on TV that he'd gotten lessons in the last few years.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 19, 2021 17:04:28 GMT
Did he do falsetto on Kiss FG soundtrack? Indeed he did. But we're talking about live, not studio. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 19, 2021 17:05:55 GMT
I know that official story is that Freddie never had any formal voice training but I remember reading in one source that he had in fact had some informal training from an opera singer/trainer sometime in the early 1980's. Unfortunately I can't remember where I picked that up from but I do know at the time I recognized it was at odds to the official story. My guess, for what it's worth, is that his use of falsetto was a sign of the times. It was everywhere in popular music. Mercury was as much an adopter as he was an innovator. Well said.
Considering Mercury's improvements in 1977 and '79 on the road, I wouldn't be surprised if he saw a vocal coach in that period as his stamina improved quite a lot. But of course there are are so many contributing factors to how well a singer can do on the road. Plenty of singers (him included) hit points where they couldn't even speak between gigs to save their voice for the show.
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Post by jlf on Apr 20, 2021 5:28:29 GMT
I can't speak for the period in question here (before 1984), but regarding the topic of Freddie having singing lessons:
There's a rumour knocking around the London theatre scene, and it has been knocking around for years, that Freddie started having coaching from Mary Hammond or one of her acolytes in the 1980s. The way I heard the rumour has enough traction that it might have some truth to it. I first was told about this in 2003 when I was a grad student in a London music college.
Anyway for those wondering, Mary Hammond is still alive and developed the music theatre course at the Royal Academy of Music in London. She was good friends with Victoria Wood and appeared on her show. Mary is also very good friends (and I mean properly good friends) with Elton John and has been for decades. She has a website, or did, and there is a roster of people who allow themselves to be recognised, and she also assures confidentiality for those who wish to say they've never had training. She knew Judy Garland and coached Liza Minelli, and she has had a string of major rock vocalists at her door.
The rumour is basically that Freddie wanted to improve his range, it had suffered quite a bit from touring. The timing coincides with the Barcelona project, and he kept on working with Mary through Innuendo.
I honestly don't know if there is truth in this rumour, of whether Freddie went to work with Mary Hammond in the late 80s, but I do know that some of the techniques he uses on later recordings (exemplified on Innuendo, The Show Must Go On in particular) match some of the techniques that Mary taught her students at the Royal Academy of Music. This may or may not also account for the timbre change in Freddie's voice during the Innuendo recording sessions which I think took place in 89-90.
My opinion on the matter is that Freddie had some coaching from somewhere through the period 1979-1990 which saw the most dramatic changes in his technique, and it kind of happened in stages as you can hear through the different albums. Whether or not it was Madame Hammond or whether it was someone else with a similar pedagogical approach, I have no idea, but it's a theory that fits the facts, as it were.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 20, 2021 8:34:39 GMT
I can't speak for the period in question here (before 1984), but regarding the topic of Freddie having singing lessons: There's a rumour knocking around the London theatre scene, and it has been knocking around for years, that Freddie started having coaching from Mary Hammond or one of her acolytes in the 1980s. The way I heard the rumour has enough traction that it might have some truth to it. I first was told about this in 2003 when I was a grad student in a London music college. Anyway for those wondering, Mary Hammond is still alive and developed the music theatre course at the Royal Academy of Music in London. She was good friends with Victoria Wood and appeared on her show. Mary is also very good friends (and I mean properly good friends) with Elton John and has been for decades. She has a website, or did, and there is a roster of people who allow themselves to be recognised, and she also assures confidentiality for those who wish to say they've never had training. She knew Judy Garland and coached Liza Minelli, and she has had a string of major rock vocalists at her door. The rumour is basically that Freddie wanted to improve his range, it had suffered quite a bit from touring. The timing coincides with the Barcelona project, and he kept on working with Mary through Innuendo. I honestly don't know if there is truth in this rumour, of whether Freddie went to work with Mary Hammond in the late 80s, but I do know that some of the techniques he uses on later recordings (exemplified on Innuendo, The Show Must Go On in particular) match some of the techniques that Mary taught her students at the Royal Academy of Music. This may or may not also account for the timbre change in Freddie's voice during the Innuendo recording sessions which I think took place in 89-90. My opinion on the matter is that Freddie had some coaching from somewhere through the period 1979-1990 which saw the most dramatic changes in his technique, and it kind of happened in stages as you can hear through the different albums. Whether or not it was Madame Hammond or whether it was someone else with a similar pedagogical approach, I have no idea, but it's a theory that fits the facts, as it were. That's very interesting. I had always assumed that the change in timbre of his voice on Innuendo was due to his illness, as his voice sounded a little bit 'thinner' than previously. |
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Post by akirafish on Apr 20, 2021 11:07:27 GMT
The rumour is basically that Freddie wanted to improve his range, it had suffered quite a bit from touring. The timing coincides with the Barcelona project, and he kept on working with Mary through Innuendo. That's amazing!! I'm actually quite touched by his insistence in improving, considering his health in Innuendo period. That's very interesting. I had always assumed that the change in timbre of his voice on Innuendo was due to his illness, as his voice sounded a little bit 'thinner' than previously. Totally agree. |
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Apr 20, 2021 11:38:41 GMT
@the Real Wizard, I don't know what exactly happened when it comes to the origin of Exercises in Free Love as Mike Moran (as seen and heard in the 2011 DOOL documentary) stated that they needed a B-side for The Great Pretender single and that's when Freddie asked Mike to "play something classical" which I understand as actually composing a piece of classical music. As we know, before the idea of making an album of cover songs was scrapped because Barcelona happened, The Great Pretender sessions can be regarded in the broader context of "The album of covers" sessions. Looking at the way that Freddie co-produced TGP and then went with Mike straight from making a cover of the Platter's song to create a vocalise for voice and a piano (synths were possibly added later) may indicate that in his mind, so to speak, he already went from the album of covers to "rock virtuoso meets opera" stage.
It's a pity that the live performance of Montsy singing it, being accompanied by Mike Moran in the Covent Garden was not recorded in any way. At least we have a photo!
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Post by jo on Apr 20, 2021 16:36:38 GMT
That's very interesting. I had always assumed that the change in timbre of his voice on Innuendo was due to his illness, as his voice sounded a little bit 'thinner' than previously. I think that's a very reasonable assumption. General weakness due to his illness may have affected his posture even forcing him to sit at times while recording, opportunistic infections in his throat (almost universal in AIDS patients pre-HAART) and the loss of strength in his lungs and chest would affect his ability to really push his voice out. His determination to to record as much as possible during the last 18 months of his life is nothing short of amazing. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 20, 2021 18:29:42 GMT
I can't speak for the period in question here (before 1984), but regarding the topic of Freddie having singing lessons: There's a rumour knocking around the London theatre scene, and it has been knocking around for years, that Freddie started having coaching from Mary Hammond or one of her acolytes in the 1980s. The way I heard the rumour has enough traction that it might have some truth to it. I first was told about this in 2003 when I was a grad student in a London music college. Anyway for those wondering, Mary Hammond is still alive and developed the music theatre course at the Royal Academy of Music in London. She was good friends with Victoria Wood and appeared on her show. Mary is also very good friends (and I mean properly good friends) with Elton John and has been for decades. She has a website, or did, and there is a roster of people who allow themselves to be recognised, and she also assures confidentiality for those who wish to say they've never had training. She knew Judy Garland and coached Liza Minelli, and she has had a string of major rock vocalists at her door. The rumour is basically that Freddie wanted to improve his range, it had suffered quite a bit from touring. The timing coincides with the Barcelona project, and he kept on working with Mary through Innuendo. I honestly don't know if there is truth in this rumour, of whether Freddie went to work with Mary Hammond in the late 80s, but I do know that some of the techniques he uses on later recordings (exemplified on Innuendo, The Show Must Go On in particular) match some of the techniques that Mary taught her students at the Royal Academy of Music. This may or may not also account for the timbre change in Freddie's voice during the Innuendo recording sessions which I think took place in 89-90. My opinion on the matter is that Freddie had some coaching from somewhere through the period 1979-1990 which saw the most dramatic changes in his technique, and it kind of happened in stages as you can hear through the different albums. Whether or not it was Madame Hammond or whether it was someone else with a similar pedagogical approach, I have no idea, but it's a theory that fits the facts, as it were. Massively interesting - and no doubt there is much truth in it.
Freddie's leaps and bounds of growth as a singer in that decade are no accident. For sure he learned plenty on his own (largely from his misfortunes on the road), but he had help.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 20, 2021 18:47:17 GMT
@the Real Wizard, I don't know what exactly happened when it comes to the origin of Exercises in Free Love as Mike Moran (as seen and heard in the 2011 DOOL documentary) stated that they needed a B-side for The Great Pretender single and that's when Freddie asked Mike to "play something classical" which I understand as actually composing a piece of classical music. Enlightening - this is news to me. 'Exercises' does sound pretty polished, come to think of it - and for some reason I didn't know it was the B-side of the single ! But are you sure it was in the Queen documentary that there was a section on Freddie's solo career ? Maybe you're thinking of another one ?
The single came out around the same time as the Barcelona project was afoot. But can we say for certain that the release of The Great Pretender predates the recording sessions with Montserrat, and that Ensueño is a re-working of Exercises and not the other way around ? Are dates provided in the Freddie box set ? I don't have it handy.
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Apr 20, 2021 20:12:14 GMT
@the Real Wizard, I don't know what exactly happened when it comes to the origin of Exercises in Free Love as Mike Moran (as seen and heard in the 2011 DOOL documentary) stated that they needed a B-side for The Great Pretender single and that's when Freddie asked Mike to "play something classical" which I understand as actually composing a piece of classical music. Enlightening - this is news to me. 'Exercises' does sound pretty polished, come to think of it - and for some reason I didn't know it was the B-side of the single ! But are you sure it was in the Queen documentary that there was a section on Freddie's solo career ? Maybe you're thinking of another one ?
The single came out around the same time as the Barcelona project was afoot. But can we say for certain that the release of The Great Pretender predates the recording sessions with Montserrat, and that Ensueño is a re-working of Exercises and not the other way around ? Are dates provided in the Freddie box set ? I don't have it handy.
Ahhh yes! Sorry! It's because some of the footage taken for DOOL docu re-appeared in The Great Pretender documentary that's why I keep mixing them up!. The story about Exercises in Free Love is heard in The Great Pretender Documentary, here:
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 20, 2021 20:34:08 GMT
Enlightening - this is news to me. 'Exercises' does sound pretty polished, come to think of it - and for some reason I didn't know it was the B-side of the single ! But are you sure it was in the Queen documentary that there was a section on Freddie's solo career ? Maybe you're thinking of another one ?
The single came out around the same time as the Barcelona project was afoot. But can we say for certain that the release of The Great Pretender predates the recording sessions with Montserrat, and that Ensueño is a re-working of Exercises and not the other way around ? Are dates provided in the Freddie box set ? I don't have it handy.
Ahhh yes! Sorry! It's because some of the footage taken for DOOL docu re-appeared in The Great Pretender documentary that's why I keep mixing them up!. The story about Exercises in Free Love is heard in The Great Pretender Documentary, here:
Man, that was beautiful. And funny.
And it certainly settles the chronology - thanks. 'Exercises' is the song that set the whole project in motion.
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Post by akirafish on Apr 21, 2021 0:14:36 GMT
@the Real Wizard, I don't know what exactly happened when it comes to the origin of Exercises in Free Love as Mike Moran (as seen and heard in the 2011 DOOL documentary) stated that they needed a B-side for The Great Pretender single and that's when Freddie asked Mike to "play something classical" which I understand as actually composing a piece of classical music. Enlightening - this is news to me. 'Exercises' does sound pretty polished, come to think of it - and for some reason I didn't know it was the B-side of the single ! But are you sure it was in the Queen documentary that there was a section on Freddie's solo career ? Maybe you're thinking of another one ?
The single came out around the same time as the Barcelona project was afoot. But can we say for certain that the release of The Great Pretender predates the recording sessions with Montserrat, and that Ensueño is a re-working of Exercises and not the other way around ? Are dates provided in the Freddie box set ? I don't have it handy.
Here's an interview of Mike Moran concerning 'Exercises' , which is funny Caballe said ‘I really like it. You wrote it for me!’ while actually it's done for TGP. Mike Moran: The ‘Barcelona’ Interview |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 21, 2021 6:08:57 GMT
Enlightening - this is news to me. 'Exercises' does sound pretty polished, come to think of it - and for some reason I didn't know it was the B-side of the single ! But are you sure it was in the Queen documentary that there was a section on Freddie's solo career ? Maybe you're thinking of another one ?
The single came out around the same time as the Barcelona project was afoot. But can we say for certain that the release of The Great Pretender predates the recording sessions with Montserrat, and that Ensueño is a re-working of Exercises and not the other way around ? Are dates provided in the Freddie box set ? I don't have it handy.
Here's an interview of Mike Moran concerning 'Exercises' , which is funny Caballe said ‘I really like it. You wrote it for me!’ while actually it's done for TGP. Mike Moran: The ‘Barcelona’ InterviewWho knows, maybe by that point he was thinking of her when he wrote it.
The only person we can ask about it isn't around anymore to answer.
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Apr 21, 2021 7:57:54 GMT
Enlightening - this is news to me. 'Exercises' does sound pretty polished, come to think of it - and for some reason I didn't know it was the B-side of the single ! But are you sure it was in the Queen documentary that there was a section on Freddie's solo career ? Maybe you're thinking of another one ?
The single came out around the same time as the Barcelona project was afoot. But can we say for certain that the release of The Great Pretender predates the recording sessions with Montserrat, and that Ensueño is a re-working of Exercises and not the other way around ? Are dates provided in the Freddie box set ? I don't have it handy.
Here's an interview of Mike Moran concerning 'Exercises' , which is funny Caballe said ‘I really like it. You wrote it for me!’ while actually it's done for TGP. Mike Moran: The ‘Barcelona’ InterviewMany thanks for that interview! So now we have somebody confirming the origin of the song "All God's People" which has been also attributed as a song written for the Barcelona project! ""When they did Innuendo (1991), they used one of the first songs Freddie and I wrote for his solo album, All God’s People, they needed a track, Brian was on it anyway, so we put the other guys on and it was a Queen track. It’s a great Queen album”"" |
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We'd had that confirmation nine years ago when he'd said the same thing in Montreux...
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Post by akirafish on Apr 21, 2021 12:11:39 GMT
Just have a look in to Freddie Mercury solo box Rarities 2. The recording date of each track is listed as follow.
1. The Duet (The Fallen Priest) / 2. Idea (Barcelona) (Extract from Garden Lodge tape) / 3. Idea (Barcelona) (2nd Extract from Garden Lodge tape)
Recorded: Garden Lodge, London, March 29 1987
4. Barcelona (Early Version: Freddie's Demo Vocal)
Recorded: Townhouse Studios, London, April 28 1987
5. Barcelona (Freddie's Vocal Slave)
Recorded: Townhouse Studios, London, April 28 1987
6. Barcelona (Later Version: Freddie's Vocal only)
Recorded: Townhouse Studios, London, May 3 1987
7. La Japonaise (Early Version: Freddie's Vocal only)
Recorded: Townhouse Studios, London, September 1 1987
8. La Japonaise (A Capella)
Recorded: Townhouse Studios, London, November 9 1987
9. Rachmaninov's Revenge (The Fallen Priest) (Early Version)
Recorded: Townhouse Studios, London, January 26 1987
10. Rachmaninov's Revenge (The Fallen Priest) (Later Version: Freddie's Demo Vocal)
Recorded: Townhouse Studios, London, February 19 1987
11. Ensueño (Montserrat's Live Takes)
Recorded: Townhouse Studios, London, March 14 1988
12. The Golden Boy (Early Version: Freddie's Demo Vocal)
Recorded: Townhouse Studios, London, May 2 1987
13. The Golden Boy (2nd Early Version: Extract)
Recorded: Townhouse Studios, London, November 9 1987
14. The Golden Boy (A Capella featuring Gospel Choir)
Recorded: Townhouse Studios, London, December 1 1987
15. Guide Me Home / How Can I Go On (Alternative Versions)
Recorded: Townhouse Studios, London, March 2 1988
16. How Can I Go On (Out-take: Extract)
Recorded: Mountain Studios, Montreux, June 24 1988
17. How Can I Go On (Alternative Piano Version)
Recorded: Townhouse Studios, London, April 9 1988
18. "When This Old Tired Body Wants to Sing" (Late Night Jam)
Recorded: Mountain Studios, Montreux, June 22 1988
Also in the Single 1986-1993 notes:
EXERCISES IN FREE LOVE (NON-ALBUM B-SIDE, 1987)
This track is often the source of confusion among fans, so let’s lay any remaining doubts to rest, once and for all.
The concluding track on Side 1 of the Barcelona album, is a delicate piece entitled simply Ensueño (roughly translated; reverie, a dream, illusion or fantasy). The track features Montserrat and Freddie sharing lead vocals, set to music composed by Freddie and Mike Moran. However, Ensueño is predated by this track, Exercises In Free Love.
Exercises first emerged in February 1987, as the B-side to The Great Pretender, a full 20 months before the release of the Barcelona album. And to further confuse matters, Exercises also featured as the flipside to the Barcelona single-which emerged in October 1987, almost exactly one year ahead of the mother album.
While the music for both pieces is identical, Exercises is Freddie’s meticulously constructed ‘guide’ for Montserrat without lyrics or proper form, but instead featuring improvised mock operatic falsetto vocalisation. It is, if you like, Freddie's vocal ‘impression’ of Montserrat. It was this recording that Freddie took with him to Barcelona when he first met the diva, and which, so greatly impressed her.
Ensueño, meanwhile, followed much later, and features proper lyrics composed by Montserrat.
In summary then: The Great Pretender single featured Freddie's ‘guide vocal’ performance as the B-side, while the Barcelona 7"and 12" single discs, of eight months later, and the actual album, contained instead Montserrat Caballe's ‘proper’ vocal.
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Post by Chopin1995 on Apr 21, 2021 13:39:50 GMT
And Freddie scarcely did falsetto live before '84. In The Lap Of The Gods...Revisited in '74 and You Take My Breath Away in '76 are about all I can think of.
Lazing On a Sunday Afternoon also usually had a falsetto bit in 1976 ("Thursdays I go waltzing to the zoo" and "Fridays I go painting in the Louvre") There are some scattered moments on the News of the World Tour as well but its not very regular. Let's not forget about Somebody To Love falsetto towards the end of the song, which he did in 1981-82. Also he did falsetto in Father To Son in 1973 in different parts of the song, if I remember correctly. He can be seen doing it on the Rainbow official video but he did more in Golders Green a year before. |
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