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Post by Lord Fickle on May 11, 2021 13:14:45 GMT
Pearl Jam have launched Deep, an online archive featuring material from over 10 years of live performances. The "immersive web hub" features songs from 186 shows including a total of "up to" 5404 individual tracks. Fans who register for the service – they'll also need a paid account at their streaming platform of choice – can search for songs in categories including “Best of”, “Covers”, and a politically-themed “Know Your Rights” playlist. Each song has information attached to it, including the number of times it's been played live, plus the dates of its first and most recent onstage outing. www.loudersound.com/news/pearl-jam-release-5404-live-tracks-from-186-live-showsCould something like this work for Queen, or are their set lists so similar on each tour that only a handful of shows would sell? |
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Post by badboybez on May 11, 2021 13:32:59 GMT
Queen (or should I say BM / RT / JB) could do anything but they simply can't be arsed!
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Post by n39 on May 11, 2021 14:06:39 GMT
Queen (or should I say BM / RT / JB) could do anything but they simply can't be arsed! Hear hear! The lazy f*ckers at QPL will never do anything like that. Why bother? What's in it for them when they can rehash documentaries into a painfully boring YouTube series that requires minimal effort and brings them tons more exposure. Can you imagine the agonisingly incompetent 'archivist' (who shall go unnamed) attempting to sort through 13-16 years worth of live recordings and collating them into an enjoyable listening experience? It'll happen when 'the Miracle' box set gets released. In other words, never. |
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Post by saintjiub on May 11, 2021 14:32:55 GMT
As Jim Beach would say, it won't contribute a dime to the retirement funds.
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Post by soundfreak1 on May 11, 2021 14:37:55 GMT
Honestly I hope "they" will never ever open up their archive completely. Simply because it's over then. I have seen it happen to other acts. Once they have nothing left in their archives, there is nothing left to look forward too.
I give you an example. The Beach Boys had recorded a follow up to "Pet Sounds" called "Smile". But it was never finished. Few songs of that album were published on later records and used to be the highlights. That created the myth of this huge lost masterpiece. Each outtake, each bootleg contributed to the hype. Books were written about it, fans created their own "Smile" versions.
Since the album was finally finished and released in 2011 with a big box set, the myth has died. Everyone now knows, that it would never have fulfilled the expectations of the legend. And that's it. Over - done.
Once we have access to every existing recording, the joy of hunting and collecting is gone. Then there is nothing left to dream about...
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on May 11, 2021 14:40:43 GMT
Can you imagine the agonisingly incompetent 'archivist' (who shall go unnamed) attempting to sort through 13-16 years worth of live recordings and collating them into an enjoyable listening experience?. i can [shudders] Queen - A Kind of Magic - Rainbow 1974 Queen - Hammer To Fall - Milton Keynes 1977 Queen - Tavaszi szél vizet áraszt - Hammersmith Odeon 1968 Queen - The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke - Live Aid 1990  |
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Post by vh on May 11, 2021 16:03:13 GMT
Can you imagine the agonisingly incompetent 'archivist' (who shall go unnamed) attempting to sort through 13-16 years worth of live recordings and collating them into an enjoyable listening experience?. i can [shudders] Queen - A Kind of Magic - Rainbow 1974 Queen - Hammer To Fall - Milton Keynes 1977 Queen - Tavaszi szél vizet áraszt - Hammersmith Odeon 1968 Queen - The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke - Live Aid 1990 That 68 Hammersmith show was bad ass man. John Deacon sang lead vocals on Princes Of The Universe. 😉 Ask the archivist! |
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Post by macgowan on May 11, 2021 19:31:17 GMT
Could Queen do this?
Yes
Will Queen do this?
No - far too many other ‘exciting’ projects in the pipeline I’m afraid.
Coming soon ! To celebrate Queen’s 50th anniversary , Queen Productions would like to announce the brilliant compilation ‘50 Of The Best’ - the 50 biggest and well known Queen songs that fans around the world know and love!
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Post by logexpTommy on May 11, 2021 21:11:44 GMT
Honestly I hope "they" will never ever open up their archive completely. Simply because it's over then. I have seen it happen to other acts. Once they have nothing left in their archives, there is nothing left to look forward too. I get your point, but I'd rather look forward to nothing because there's nothing left than to look forward to things that won't see the light of day. |
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Post by pg on May 11, 2021 21:16:40 GMT
100 years ago, I genuinely believed that the announcement of the "Tpp 100 bootlegs" was effectively this type of thing - a throwing open of the cupboard doors.
I was warned that it could well be just releasing and therefore "officialising" the bootlegs already circulating, but I didn't accept that, because I didn't think that QPL would be so naive to think that random bootlegs would sell to more people if it was QPL pushing them than they otherwise had been.
37 bootlegs later, with at least one show released twice and having infringed the copyrights of the BBC and Saul Swimmer, they quietly dropped the idea.
So yes, Queen should HAVE done this. And they've not only passively not chosen to do so, they've actively chosen to do something much worse.
Meanwhile, Metallica, Muse, Springsteen and now Pearl Jam regularly put out whole recordings without impacting the sales of their primary product, keeping their hardcore fans on board, and limiting the profit available to bootleggers.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on May 11, 2021 21:22:37 GMT
Once we have access to every existing recording, the joy of hunting and collecting is gone. Then there is nothing left to dream about... alternatively, - and this is a radical idea, i know - they could just go ahead and release stuff and we could just listen to it...thereby replacing the "joy of hunting" with the "pleasure of hearing". call me old-fashioned, but that's what I always believed music to be about. |
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Post by akirafish on May 12, 2021 0:48:57 GMT
Meanwhile, Metallica, Muse, Springsteen and now Pearl Jam regularly put out whole recordings without impacting the sales of their primary product, keeping their hardcore fans on board, and limiting the profit available to bootleggers. Why is Queen's project dropped while other acts keep doing it successfully? Was it due to the choice of bootlegs or did other acts do some necessary works to upgrade the bootlegs? |
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Post by georg on May 12, 2021 2:16:10 GMT
Meanwhile, Metallica, Muse, Springsteen and now Pearl Jam regularly put out whole recordings without impacting the sales of their primary product, keeping their hardcore fans on board, and limiting the profit available to bootleggers. Why is Queen's project dropped while other acts keep doing it successfully? Was it due to the choice of bootlegs or did other acts do some necessary works to upgrade the bootlegs? It was probably a classic QPL case of “hey here’s a great idea!” before it gets designed by committee to the point that it becomes the Top 100 Bootlegs, enthusiasm dies out because they put less than the bare minimum in, QPL blames fans for not buying it, so they put out another compilation to recoup the losses. |
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Post by pg on May 12, 2021 6:08:41 GMT
Meanwhile, Metallica, Muse, Springsteen and now Pearl Jam regularly put out whole recordings without impacting the sales of their primary product, keeping their hardcore fans on board, and limiting the profit available to bootleggers. Why is Queen's project dropped while other acts keep doing it successfully? Was it due to the choice of bootlegs or did other acts do some necessary works to upgrade the bootlegs? Other groups release the soundboard tapes from their archive. Queen re-released the audience tapes that were already available. |
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Post by soundfreak1 on May 12, 2021 9:32:56 GMT
Once we have access to every existing recording, the joy of hunting and collecting is gone. Then there is nothing left to dream about... thereby replacing the "joy of hunting" with the "pleasure of hearing". call me old-fashioned, but that's what I always believed music to be about. The "joy of hunting" leads to the "pleasure of hearing", there is no "either or"....
I remember finding "Sheetkeeckers", "Halfpence" (before recording it on the radio) and "Freddie's Boys at the Beeb", all three were a real pleasure of hearing then. The official "On Air" was a real improvement with even more pleasure. "Rainbow Pt1" and "Odeon" were technically soundwise an improvement, but call me "old fashioned" (...), for me there is no pleasure of listening...I rarely ever play them.
But there is no reason to argue about right or wrong, it's their material and it's up to them to decide, what feels right for them.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on May 12, 2021 10:15:47 GMT
thereby replacing the "joy of hunting" with the "pleasure of hearing". call me old-fashioned, but that's what I always believed music to be about. The "joy of hunting" leads to the "pleasure of hearing", there is no "either or".... I remember finding "Sheetkeeckers", "Halfpence" (before recording it on the radio) and "Freddie's Boys at the Beeb", all three were a real pleasure of hearing then. The official "On Air" was a real improvement with even more pleasure. "Rainbow Pt1" and "Odeon" were technically soundwise an improvement, but call me "old fashioned" (...), for me there is no pleasure of listening...I rarely ever play them. But there is no reason to argue about right or wrong, it's their material and it's up to them to decide, what feels right for them.
i merely voice my own views - being, that (for me) listening/hearing is the joy in music. of course there is an either/or - only a very small percentage of people go "hunting" out rarities and bootlegs. the vast majority get to hear these at whatever point they become publicly available. |
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Post by fras444 on May 12, 2021 14:22:14 GMT
Deff Leppard have basically done the same thing too on spotify, released a whole back catalog including all of their live shows from the early years to now (Quite interesting to listen to their early stuff with Pete Willis.... He was such an integral part of that early period of that heavy metal element of Deff Leppard...
Metallica have also done the same as well although there is some poor quality recordings of a good handful of their live shows and it's a shame that they are still struggling to legally release anything that had Dave Mustaine on...
But I would much rather Queen release something "official" than have some company just release anything and everything.... Have some quality control over it and give it the tender loving care that it deserves...
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on May 12, 2021 14:38:26 GMT
But I would much rather Queen release something "official" than have some company just release anything and everything.... Have some quality control over it and give it the tender loving care that it deserves... agreed. but the reality is neither is likely. QPL want to retain quality control rather than let "any old crud" get out into the wild, but this approach leaves two "never looking backward" curmudgeons ensuring nothing at all gets out. i can see and understand their approach - there's an absolute protection of their "perfection" being deployed - but it (equally) strangles the intrigue, legend and mystery. myself, i've (kind of) accepted that the established ways of the last 30 years are it. i've resigned that we'll probably never see any more true rarities via official means. however, if we do, then every single tiny crumb is a huge bonus for me - because in whatever format it (finally) appears - it's (hopefully) something i haven't heard before. |
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Post by baronlutenvank on May 12, 2021 15:59:28 GMT
They could....
....and all the recordings will be littered with "Property of Queen Productions" watermarks every other minute. And if there are videos, it'll probably be like this:
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Post by fras444 on May 26, 2021 23:11:56 GMT
Something quite odd and real cool seeing Jason in Metallica like that. Interesting and odd seeing Trujillio and Newstead together wonder what Trujllio feels seeing/being with basically his predecessor and thinking if things were slightly different.. I probably wouldn't be here. I think it was more odd than seeing Dave Mustaine playing those Kill Em All songs with Kirk in the background but that was definitely a different kind of feeling and tension... That feeling of what could have been and knowing that Mustaine would have given his left nut just to rewind those years and to change just so he could have stayed within basically his brothers....
It was a very odd time in music, I remember seeing his last appearance on tv that MTV thing and then (A time when internet was you know still quite new etc...) he left just as I was getting into them and that immediate tension and the fallout I mean Metallica was imploding on such a spectacular and visual scale with the "some kind of monster" doco/movie
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