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Post by oreno on Jun 9, 2021 14:56:06 GMT
It's a good shout but let's see. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Blues_(1929_film)Now this states that St Louis Blues was a hit in 1925, but the film was made a full 4 years later. Unless the record was re-released, it's not directly accompanying/promoting it as such. It was a 'two reeler' a 16 minute long film, made for the cinema I presume. So I'd also have to class this as an excerpt from a longform project. I'd also say it's on the edge of 'dramatised', as opposed to just mimed.. but as I say is a good shout. Minnie the Moocher do you mean this cartoon? www.imdb.com/title/tt0023227/Another good shout, never thought about cartoons. Hmm. It sort of fits the bill, but.. The record was the biggest seller of 1931, with the cartoon released in 1932. I think it's technically a film of the song, only made once the song was already established and had sold millions. If Queen had made the BR vid in March 76.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK6Ty-uLIwMI'm not 100% convinced - was this promoting a record or not? I'll leave it out there. Great rabbit hole to fall down though (cool music & cartoons). Probably this needs a different thread tbh.  |
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Post by oreno on Jun 9, 2021 15:02:54 GMT
"Elected" would count.. except it's not synchronised to the music, no lip sync or anything. Much like Strawberry Fields.
Starting to think something blindingly obvious like Space Oddity would fit, though I'm not sure when it was actually made, compared to the single.
Edit - the 'dramatised' Space Oddity was only made as part of the longer film "Love You Til Tuesday". The video used to actually promote the single re-release in 1973.. was just him miming with a guitar.
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Post by dysan on Jun 9, 2021 15:22:56 GMT
"Elected" would count.. except it's not synchronised to the music, no lip sync or anything. Much like Strawberry Fields. Starting to think something blindingly obvious like Space Oddity would fit, though I'm not sure when it was actually made, compared to the single. The first Space Oddity video was made for a twee 30 minute TV special (that never got broadcast) in 1969, but was a 'demo' recording of the song. The familiar recording from later in 1969 is usually accompanied by a Mick Rock promo featuring red-hair Bowie in an RCA recording studio on the US tour in 1972 for the US reissue of the record. I was about to add his other 1972 videos for 'The Jean Genie' / 'John I'm Only Dancing' fit the criteria above, the latter was banned from TOTP. I would say well known clips for other songs mentioned might be from later performances and TV shows which are retro fitted to songs because no other footage exists. In the 20s / 30s films generally had a musical segment as part of the package and these get separated out. The Boswell Sisters ' Rock N Roll' springs to mind (taken from 1934's Transatlantic Merrygoround) On topic: My Queen fact bugbear is talking about Queen on other band forums there's always some old Clash fan who kicks off about them playing Sun City. EDIT: bugger I spent too long typing and missed the edit in your post |
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Post by The Fairy King on Jun 9, 2021 15:31:33 GMT
"Elected" would count.. except it's not synchronised to the music, no lip sync or anything. Much like Strawberry Fields. Starting to think something blindingly obvious like Space Oddity would fit, though I'm not sure when it was actually made, compared to the single. The first Space Oddity video was made for a twee 30 minute TV special (that never got broadcast) in 1969, but was a 'demo' recording of the song. The familiar recording from later in 1969 is usually accompanied by a Mick Rock promo featuring red-hair Bowie in an RCA recording studio on the US tour in 1972 for the US reissue of the record. I was about to add his other 1972 videos for 'The Jean Genie' / 'John I'm Only Dancing' fit the criteria above, the latter was banned from TOTP. I would say well known clips for other songs mentioned might be from later performances and TV shows which are retro fitted to songs because no other footage exists. In the 20s / 30s films generally had a musical segment as part of the package and these get separated out. The Boswell Sisters ' Rock N Roll' springs to mind (taken from 1934's Transatlantic Merrygoround) On topic: My Queen fact bugbear is talking about Queen on other band forums there's always some old Clash fan who kicks off about them playing Sun City. EDIT: bugger I spent too long typing and missed the edit in your post Oh, there's always some schmuck digging that dreck up. Probably wants Queen cancelled or something? Maybe bitter their own idol sucked at Live Aid (most of em did) or they're punk remnants bitter about their popularity. |
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Post by badboybez on Jun 9, 2021 15:53:02 GMT
An obvious one unless I missed it…
Brian May built his guitar out of a fireplace.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 9, 2021 16:58:31 GMT
Just my thoughts but the thing is with all these much discussed topics, there are always going to be new Queen fans who are curious about the history of the band, and some of the legends, true or false. We shouldn't really be denying them the pleasure of seeking that knowledge, and us the pleasure of sharing it, even if we've done so many times. |
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Post by ted on Jun 9, 2021 17:06:34 GMT
Alice Cooper made a promo vid. for Elected in 1972. It too fits the criteria listed above.
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Did it act as a way to increase sales, or 'just' as an accompaniment to the music? My 1st assumption would be that the vid. was intended to increase sales, although promo vids weren't the prominent sales tool back then that they would become later in the 70's, in the 80's and beyond. I think that in order to correctly answer the question of what the 1st promo vid. was, the definition of the same first needs to be established, which oreno at least attempted to do in his longer previous post.
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Post by ted on Jun 9, 2021 17:08:54 GMT
Just my thoughts but the thing is with all these much discussed topics, there are always going to be new Queen fans who are curious about the history of the band, and some of the legends, true or false. We shouldn't really be denying them the pleasure of seeking that knowledge, and us the pleasure of sharing it, even if we've done so many times. A very good point, and I agree.
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Post by Ri on Jun 9, 2021 17:12:28 GMT
Just my thoughts but the thing is with all these much discussed topics, there are always going to be new Queen fans who are curious about the history of the band, and some of the legends, true or false. We shouldn't really be denying them the pleasure of seeking that knowledge, and us the pleasure of sharing it, even if we've done so many times. Thank you for this, I had this line of thought but didn't want to start a debate or anything. The stuff mentioned here is so wide-ranged too, like knowing Brian's guitar is made out of fireplace and knowing which video is actually the first promo video shouldn't be held to the same standard of things we suppose fans have heard too many times. |
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Post by jlf on Jun 9, 2021 22:11:23 GMT
I don't mind that these topics in the original post are discussed. I do think MOTBQ was a precursor to Bohemian Rhapsody, or at least it shows that Bohemian Rhapsody wasn't Freddie's only prog song in the pseudo-operatic style, but we knew that anyway. By pseudo-operatic I mean the structure of the song and not the fact that there is an 'operatic section' in the middle of BR.
AS for BR itself, we'll never know what it's about. I don't really care what it's about, I like the song. I never actually pondered what it meant to Freddie and only took it as a piece of drama, although there maybe something in it about his personal life.
Queen at Live-Aid - well they kind of did. Certainly in retrospect anyway, that performance has been pushed even before Freddie died, as the best of the day. That it was voted the greatest rock performance of all time in a magazine poll a few years back is probably stretching it a bit, though.
Hot Space - was of its time. Patchy and decadent in my opinion, they weren't really caring as much about the music as their success at that point, has a couple of decent tracks but it's not my favourite album. It's almost 40 years ago we can't go back and change it.
Delilah - lovely song, and in context of what was going on it belongs on Innuendo. Had Freddie lived there might be a case to say that it's better suited to a Freddie solo album than a Queen album, but whatever. You can't really separate the Innuendo album from what was going on with them personally, it's their most introspective work.
Hmmm. Queen facts that I can do without:
1. When did Freddie get infected - this was thrashed to death on the old forum and unfortunately I did contribute to some of that because I had some relevant anecdotes, and I was kind of trying to shut it down and be respectful but honestly I regret that I bothered, it was a mistake of my ego to go there. This is probably number one on the list of things that annoy me in the fan community, because if Freddie himself didn't know, we sure can't know.
2. Did Freddie have physical relations with Barbara Valentin - who cares. I was kind of surprised Barbara Valentin wasn't portrayed in the film though, honestly.
3. Did Freddie record anything between June and October of 1991: If he did it hasn't been released for a reason. It's clear from Made In Heaven that there was certainly nothing useable after Mother Love.
4. Unreleased songs: This is a kind of bone of contention in the fan community, some think that Brian and Roger (and John if he wants but I can't see it) should finish some of the unreleased tracks. Well, going on what has leaked to YouTube, I think what they released at the time was probably the best work they had. Even things like "Face It Alone" I find to be a somewhat amorphous blob of a song and I can see why it didn't make any of the final cuts. I *DO* think that an anthology type release with some of that stuff on it is called for, but it's a very niche release and it might be the reason why they haven't bothered.
What else? I don't know. My favourite posts are Sebastians posts about the music and recording process, he knows a lot and the recording sessions to me are one of the most interesting things about the band, that and their live performances.
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Post by oreno on Jun 9, 2021 22:25:25 GMT
The thread's meant to be a bit of fun really. I posted in a spirit of idle abandon, just wanting to stir something up. Though I do mean what I say..
It's not about "much discussed topics", if anything it's about cliched statements/observations that actually shut down discussion (or go round in circles). They make me groan inwardly when they come up.. some more than others.
Example - The Bo Rhap one comes up ALL the time, and instantly negates any further thinking. It also smacks of amateur psychoanalysis.. like you can work out exactly what an art(ist) really "means", like solving a puzzle, then sit back all pleased with how clever you are. "Oh it was Freddie coming out, the end." That's not how art works. It's far more interesting to explore what he's exploring, or expressing, than just to headshrink the writer..
Does this make sense?
If anything I want to promote debate, not stifle it.. I like challenging recieved wisdom, cliched observations, I think it's good for us. For example I deliberately questioned the Bo Rhap video thing because it's another statement that comes up regularly. But as we see there's actually a very cool discussion to be had there.
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Post by jlf on Jun 9, 2021 23:11:52 GMT
Oh sorry yeah Ok i get it
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Post by Billblackman on Jun 10, 2021 10:57:02 GMT
3) Freddie's vocal performances on the UK dates of the Magic Tour weren't great (not to be insensitive to his recently developed medical condition) And it certainly has nothing to do with his condition - his worst 1986 shows are nowhere near as bad as his worst performances in 1979. I don't know why is voice was so bad in 1979...too much partying, drugs? |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 10, 2021 11:52:48 GMT
And it certainly has nothing to do with his condition - his worst 1986 shows are nowhere near as bad as his worst performances in 1979. I don't know why is voice was so bad in 1979...too much partying, drugs? Possibly, but that only increased into the early '80s where he enjoyed his peak on stage as a singer.
The Jazz tour was also the longest tour they ever embarked on. Maybe he wasn't doing proper vocal warmup, or spoke too much between shows - he did have throat nodules, after all. Chances are he went back to his vocal coach and worked on everything from breathing to pacing.
But of course it's mostly speculation. The only person who could've given you a good answer isn't around to give you one.
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Post by Ryan Newton on Jun 11, 2021 11:16:26 GMT
3) Freddie's vocal performances on the UK dates of the Magic Tour weren't great (not to be insensitive to his recently developed medical condition) On top of what The Real Wizard said (because these are far from his worst performances), I think he sounds great at Newcastle and the first Wembley gig. No less than any other show from this tour, besides maybe the first couple of gigs where he was going all out. Yes, his voice is a bit weakened for the second Wembley gig and maybe a bit for Manchester but it's definitely not horrible. |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 11, 2021 11:25:57 GMT
The first video to be banned by MTV was Queen's 1982 hit "Body Language"  I thought that was Duran Duran's "Girls On Film". Body Language was the first video to be banned by MTV. Girls On Film was banned by the BBC, while still being broadcast by MTV in edited form. |
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Post by Ryan Newton on Jun 11, 2021 11:35:47 GMT
I don't know why is voice was so bad in 1979...too much partying, drugs? Possibly, but that only increased into the early '80s where he enjoyed his peak on stage as a singer.
The Jazz tour was also the longest tour they ever embarked on. Maybe he wasn't doing proper vocal warmup, or spoke too much between shows - he did have throat nodules, after all. Chances are he went back to his vocal coach and worked on everything from breathing to pacing.
But of course it's mostly speculation. The only person who could've given you a good answer isn't around to give you one.
Sure it was their longest tour up to that point but comparing his voice from five months earlier and then listening to Dallas 78, you can his voice was already faltering on the first night. The common explanation I've been given is that the rest period between recording the album and touring was much shorter than usual, giving him much less time to heal up his voice for the coming months. Just doing some basic checking on this with wikipedia (someone can correct this if they have a better source), the last day of recording for News of the World was September 16 1977, leaving nearly two months between the recording and the first night of the tour, with the exception of the video shoot gig. For Jazz, it says recording went out to October, so at best he had a month, but then I believe they also rehearsed for 3 or 4 days, not to mention shooting the music video for Fat Bottomed Girls and parts of Bicycle Race. A good estimate would be about 2-3 weeks. Far less than on the previous tour. And then you'd think he would have sounded better in Europe given they have about a month off between legs, but he actually sounded worse in Europe (again, the previous tour had a much larger gap between legs). Listening to some of the interviews from the time, Fred sounds like he may have had a flu at the time. His voice sounds very hoarse during the Brussels and Rotterdam interviews. And of all the times they could have chosen to record a live album, they chose to record it when their singer's voice was at a low point. Poor timing I suppose. |
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Post by ted on Jun 11, 2021 15:20:44 GMT
Ryan Newton wrote: And of all the times they could have chosen to record a live album, they chose to record it when their singer's voice was at a low point. Poor timing I suppose.
All the more reason why a live album by Queen should have been released in 1977, culled from the two Earl's Court shows in June as was originally intended.
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Post by georg on Jun 11, 2021 17:17:44 GMT
Ryan Newton wrote: And of all the times they could have chosen to record a live album, they chose to record it when their singer's voice was at a low point. Poor timing I suppose.All the more reason why a live album by Queen should have been released in 1977, culled from the two Earl's Court shows in June as was originally intended. Ted Or even the Rainbow March '74 gigs. Could've been their Live at Leeds. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 11, 2021 19:50:54 GMT
Sure it was their longest tour up to that point but comparing his voice from five months earlier and then listening to Dallas 78, you can his voice was already faltering on the first night. The common explanation I've been given is that the rest period between recording the album and touring was much shorter than usual, giving him much less time to heal up his voice for the coming months. Just doing some basic checking on this with wikipedia (someone can correct this if they have a better source), the last day of recording for News of the World was September 16 1977, leaving nearly two months between the recording and the first night of the tour, with the exception of the video shoot gig. For Jazz, it says recording went out to October, so at best he had a month, but then I believe they also rehearsed for 3 or 4 days, not to mention shooting the music video for Fat Bottomed Girls and parts of Bicycle Race. A good estimate would be about 2-3 weeks. Far less than on the previous tour. Good observation.
On the other hand - in 1975 it was mere days between finishing ANATO and going on the road, and he sounded just fine on that tour. It was only in Japan that he had a few off nights.
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Post by ted on Jun 11, 2021 21:29:41 GMT
georg wrote: Or even the Rainbow March '74 gigs. Could've been their Live at Leeds.
I agree - a live album was intended to be produced from the show(s) but it never materialized.
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Post by akirafish on Jun 13, 2021 0:57:47 GMT
To be on topic, I’d say one thing always embarrass me is when people say Freddie can sing opera.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 14, 2021 6:32:51 GMT
To be on topic, I’d say one thing always embarrass me is when people say Freddie can sing opera. He got closer than any of his peers:
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Post by akirafish on Jun 14, 2021 8:05:40 GMT
To be on topic, I’d say one thing always embarrass me is when people say Freddie can sing opera. He got closer than any of his peers. You are absolutely right. My dislike is based on some documentaries or programs when people discussing how good he was, someone just say 'he can sing opera'. I don't like it because 1) Comparing Freddie's Exercise in Free Love to Caballe's, the difference between him and a trained opera singer is obvious. I think to say him singing opera is kind of suggesting he can sing like Pavarotti, which is not true. 2) He was a great singer in his own right. He had more colors than the operatic sound. It's kind of lazy to say he's good because he can sing opera. |
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