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Post by oreno on Jun 3, 2021 13:37:49 GMT
- That March of the Black Queen "was the precursor to Bohemian Rhapsody"
- That Bohemian Rhapsody "was about Freddie's sexuality"
- That Queen "stole the show" at Live Aid
- That Hot Space side one "should have been played on real instruments"
- That Delilah was a "blight" on the Innuendo album
I am BEYOND bored of hearing these things, everyone who says them acts as if they are the first person in history to have that opinion or make that observation, and expect us all to sit round nodding and say "wow man, that's interesting, I've never thought of it like that, but now you say it, it makes so much sense".
For the love of GOD, let us not speak of these things ever again.
I look forward to hearing your nominations, and hope the mods will implement some form of censure for those who transgress.
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Post by ted on Jun 3, 2021 14:05:15 GMT
You're about to get (some of) what you don't want. My views regarding your top five Queen "facts":
- That March of the Black Queen "was the precursor to Bohemian Rhapsody": I've always considered TMOTBQ to be the prototype to BR, in other words, far superior. BR is the 'production line model' in my view.
- That Bohemian Rhapsody "was about Freddie's sexuality": I haven't read much at all about that so no comment from me.
- That Queen "stole the show" at Live Aid: Since there doesn't seem to be any dissenting view to speak of regarding this, I agree, no more need for discussion about it.
- That Hot Space side one "should have been played on real instruments": I think that album should never have been made; in my view Queen should have become a movie soundtrack Group only in the 80's, with solo projects in between.
- That Delilah was a "blight" on the Innuendo album: I don't own and have never heard the album in full so I can't comment on this.
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Post by Billblackman on Jun 3, 2021 21:25:50 GMT
Some people tend to say that In The Lap Of The Gods was the precursor of Bohemian Rhapsody...
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Post by 85guild on Jun 3, 2021 22:47:59 GMT
I would think In In the lap of the Gods was the precursor to We are the champions. Same time signature as WATC, singalong chorus, much more straightforward than Bohemian Rhapsody.
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Post by Sammy B. Willickers on Jun 4, 2021 1:11:54 GMT
- That Hot Space side one "should have been played on real instruments": I think that album should never have been made; in my view Queen should have become a movie soundtrack Group only in the 80's, with solo projects in between. I sorta agree, but also don't at the same time. While I enjoyed Flash Gordon and A Kind Of Magic (which was basically a soundtrack album), I think The Game, The Miracle, The Works, and yes, even Hot Space were more creative and better albums, at least in my opinion. |
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Post by Steve on Jun 4, 2021 5:45:52 GMT
You're about to get (some of) what you don't want. My views regarding your top five Queen "facts": - That March of the Black Queen "was the precursor to Bohemian Rhapsody": I've always considered TMOTBQ to be the prototype to BR, in other words, far superior. BR is the 'production line model' in my view. - That Bohemian Rhapsody "was about Freddie's sexuality": I haven't read much at all about that so no comment from me. - That Queen "stole the show" at Live Aid: Since there doesn't seem to be any dissenting view to speak of regarding this, I agree, no more need for discussion about it. - That Hot Space side one "should have been played on real instruments": I think that album should never have been made; in my view Queen should have become a movie soundtrack Group only in the 80's, with solo projects in between. - That Delilah was a "blight" on the Innuendo album: I don't own and have never heard the album in full so I can't comment on this. Ted You need to listen to Innuendo in full mate. You are missing out on an absolute treat. |
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Post by pg on Jun 4, 2021 5:58:45 GMT
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Post by n39 on Jun 4, 2021 11:52:40 GMT
I would think In In the lap of the Gods was the precursor to We are the champions. Same time signature as WATC, singalong chorus, much more straightforward than Bohemian Rhapsody. I think they were referring to 'In the Lap of the Gods', not 'In the Lap of the Gods... revisited' The first version IS similar to Bohemian Rhapsody - operatic-style virtuosic vocals in the first section, multiple distinct sections in different styles, varying key signatures and chords outside of the key, somewhat musically experimental. It's definitely a precursor to Bo Rhap in the same way My Fairy King is. |
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Post by ted on Jun 4, 2021 13:48:11 GMT
Steve wrote: You need to listen to Innuendo in full mate. You are missing out on an absolute treat.
I will endeavour to do so asap, as time allows.
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Post by georg on Jun 4, 2021 14:50:54 GMT
Have you done it yet? How bout now?
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Post by Steve on Jun 4, 2021 15:44:39 GMT
Steve wrote: You need to listen to Innuendo in full mate. You are missing out on an absolute treat.I will endeavour to do so asap, as time allows. Ted Good man. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 17:06:45 GMT
I'm sick of hearing about how Queen supposedly invented the music video with Bohemian Rhapsody. Interviewers almost always ask Roger and Brian about this and it simply isn't interesting. Of all the questions you could ask about such an amazing song, it's an incredibly boring one.
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Post by ted on Jun 4, 2021 17:21:26 GMT
I'm sick of hearing about how Queen supposedly invented the music video with Bohemian Rhapsody. Interviewers almost always ask Roger and Brian about this and it simply isn't interesting. Of all the questions you could ask about such an amazing song, it's an incredibly boring one. In the June 1992 issue of Record Collector magazine, there is an extensive article titled Queen On Video within which it's stated that the most enduring myth regarding Queen is that Bohemian Rhapsody was their (or in extreme cases of amnesia, THE) first promo vid. Of course as just about every Member of this Form should be aware, neither contention is true.
Keep Yourself Alive was the very 1st Queen promo vid. As for the 1st ever promo vid., that could involve some thorough research as I don't have the answer..
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 4, 2021 17:29:28 GMT
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Post by n39 on Jun 4, 2021 18:13:51 GMT
I'm sick of hearing about how Queen supposedly invented the music video with Bohemian Rhapsody. Interviewers almost always ask Roger and Brian about this and it simply isn't interesting. Of all the questions you could ask about such an amazing song, it's an incredibly boring one. In the June 1992 issue of Record Collector magazine, there is an extensive article titled Queen On Video within which it's stated that the most enduring myth regarding Queen is that Bohemian Rhapsody was their (or in extreme cases of amnesia, THE) first promo vid. Of course as just about every Member of this Form should be aware, neither contention is true.
Keep Yourself Alive was the very 1st Queen promo vid. As for the 1st ever promo vid., that could involve some thorough research as I don't have the answer..
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This is true, but I think the idea is that Bo Rhap was the first true 'music video' involving visual effects etc., as opposed to a promo vid which just is a mimed performance of the band along to the song...? |
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Post by georg on Jun 4, 2021 19:20:15 GMT
In the June 1992 issue of Record Collector magazine, there is an extensive article titled Queen On Video within which it's stated that the most enduring myth regarding Queen is that Bohemian Rhapsody was their (or in extreme cases of amnesia, THE) first promo vid. Of course as just about every Member of this Form should be aware, neither contention is true.
Keep Yourself Alive was the very 1st Queen promo vid. As for the 1st ever promo vid., that could involve some thorough research as I don't have the answer..
Ted
This is true, but I think the idea is that Bo Rhap was the first true 'music video' involving visual effects etc., as opposed to a promo vid which just is a mimed performance of the band along to the song...? What of Strawberry Fields Forever? |
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Post by fireplace on Jun 5, 2021 0:17:55 GMT
Paul Gambaccini's sinking feeling at hearing that Freddie would do "anything with anyone".
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Post by akirafish on Jun 5, 2021 0:18:08 GMT
I think BoRhap was the first vid that help the sales tremendously. Before it vid was just anything go along with the song, so the TV station could play the song with a image, Remember KYA was once accompanied by Nixon election. After vid pushed the sales of BoRhap, other musicians realized the commercial function of vid. That’s something I understand from watching various Queen-related documentaries, not sure if it’s universally accepted in the business.
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Post by ted on Jun 5, 2021 1:05:59 GMT
Thanks for that - further down in the wiki entry, it is stated that according to rock historian Paul Fowles, (Bo Rhap) is "widely credited as the first global hit single for which an accompanying video was central to the marketing strategy".
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Post by Steve on Jun 5, 2021 7:16:36 GMT
Paul Gambaccini's sinking feeling at hearing that Freddie would do "anything with anyone". Yeah, that is a massive annoyance! |
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Post by badboybez on Jun 5, 2021 7:53:18 GMT
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 5, 2021 8:24:01 GMT
This is true, but I think the idea is that Bo Rhap was the first true 'music video' involving visual effects etc., as opposed to a promo vid which just is a mimed performance of the band along to the song...? What of Strawberry Fields Forever? exactly. |
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Post by mikusguitarius on Jun 8, 2021 0:18:02 GMT
OK my five...
1) So what that they sometimes used programmed drums in the later years
2) So what that they sometimes used sequenced bass in the later years
3) Freddie's vocal performances on the UK dates of the Magic Tour weren't great (not to be insensitive to his recently developed medical condition)
4) They were four equal parts of the whole.... It wasn't all about Freddie
5) Queen + Adam Lambert is great and is the only way we can still hear those songs live (And Neil the bassist is awesome too)
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Jun 9, 2021 10:36:35 GMT
The Real WizardBrƎИsꓘiPretty sure the first music video by the definition implied would be either Bessie Smith or Cab Calloway in the late 1920s.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 9, 2021 11:49:02 GMT
3) Freddie's vocal performances on the UK dates of the Magic Tour weren't great (not to be insensitive to his recently developed medical condition) And it certainly has nothing to do with his condition - his worst 1986 shows are nowhere near as bad as his worst performances in 1979. |
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Post by The Fairy King on Jun 9, 2021 11:56:59 GMT
The first video to be banned by MTV was Queen's 1982 hit "Body Language"  I thought that was Duran Duran's "Girls On Film". |
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Post by oreno on Jun 9, 2021 12:00:29 GMT
I think Bo Rhap WAS the first promo video, as we understand them now, and here's why - - It was specifically created and intended to accompany and promote a 7" single release - It combines both "live" and "dramatised" footage of the song, directly synchronised to the recording - It was not part of a pre-existing longform project such as a movie or TV special These imo are what made it unique, and they define the specific format that Bo Rhap pioneered. (No one is suggesting that Bo Rhap is the first time anyone filmed musicians performing a song.) There were of course countless videos before and after that did not use the Bo Rhap format, and relied on the tried and tested methods of mimed performance, unsynchronised visuals etc - and Queen made plenty of these too. Can anyone suggest a direct precedent for Bo Rhap - footage specifically created to promote a single, that is not just filmed miming but also 'dramatises' the song, and that directly synchronises its visuals to the music? (staying on the thread topic, I'm suggesting that this is something that DOES actually bear further discussion.  ) |
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Jun 9, 2021 14:06:31 GMT
oreno : Those three criteria would also apply to Bessie Smith's St. Louis Blues from 1929, if we accept that it was promoting a 78RPM rather than a 45RPM single. I would argue they also apply to Cab Calloway's Minnie The Moocher (1932) and The Old Man Of The Mountain (1933), with the sole caveat that they also contain snippets of other songs than the title piece.
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Post by ted on Jun 9, 2021 14:31:25 GMT
I think Bo Rhap WAS the first promo video, as we understand them now, and here's why - - It was specifically created and intended to accompany and promote a 7" single release - It combines both "live" and "dramatised" footage of the song, directly synchronised to the recording - It was not part of a pre-existing longform project such as a movie or TV special These imo are what made it unique, and they define the specific format that Bo Rhap pioneered. (No one is suggesting that Bo Rhap is the first time anyone filmed musicians performing a song.) There were of course countless videos before and after that did not use the Bo Rhap format, and relied on the tried and tested methods of mimed performance, unsynchronised visuals etc - and Queen made plenty of these too. Can anyone suggest a direct precedent for Bo Rhap - footage specifically created to promote a single, that is not just filmed miming but also 'dramatises' the song, and that directly synchronises its visuals to the music? (staying on the thread topic, I'm suggesting that this is something that DOES actually bear further discussion. ) Alice Cooper made a promo vid. for Elected in 1972. It too fits the criteria listed above.
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Post by Egietje on Jun 9, 2021 14:48:25 GMT
Alice Cooper made a promo vid. for Elected in 1972. It too fits the criteria listed above.
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Did it act as a way to increase sales, or 'just' as an accompaniment to the music? |
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