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Post by Lord Fickle on Nov 20, 2021 11:01:50 GMT
I swear , for 1 second in the Wembley '86 footage, Freddie had a look in his eye which slightly freaked me. It stayed with me. Although the video for POTU was recorded only a couple of months prior to Wembley 86, Freddie-wise it looks like a couple of years. He doesn’t look fit during the entire Magic tour. Really? Is that with the benefit of hindsight though? I certainly wouldn't have had a clue anything was wrong with his health seeing his performances on the Magic tour.
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Post by mrmarioanonym on Nov 20, 2021 11:53:10 GMT
He does have a certain look to him during that tour. I'm not sure if it is fear or fatigue, but something is off.
I get the impression that he really had to work harder to be as energetic as on previous tours, but that could also be due to him reaching middle-age.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Nov 20, 2021 12:01:26 GMT
He does have a certain look to him during that tour. I'm not sure if it is fear or fatigue, but something is off. I get the impression that he really had to work harder to be as energetic as on previous tours, but that could also be due to him reaching middle-age. i think your last 11 words sum it up (more or less) precisely. Additionally, almost 10 years of chemical abuse of his body; vodka, cigarettes and coke - make it harder to stay in A1 condition. I think any 40-yr-old (no matter how fit) would struggle to run around those catwalks and gantries for 1½hrs at a time without looking absolutely shagged-out - even more so after a decade of vodka, cigs & coke! All anyone knew about Freddie was that he was gay. The fact that the tabloids insinuated he had aids was meaningless. He was gay, ergo…aids. i agree with almost everything you've said, but I've singled out the above. why? The tabloids weren't jumping to any conclusion, I believe they "knew" pretty much for certain, that's why. In those days, paparazzi and journos would dig into undergrowth, hiding in bushes and cars - trying to get exclusive images of all celebs. Just stop and think how often grainy tele-lens Princess Di images appeared. Freddie may have been a private figure but his private life - the parties etc were widely reported from 79-86. Then, in 1988/9 he just drops off the face of the earth. The journo/paps sonar would've started to bleep like crazy. So, what do they do? They know where he lives (here and in Europe), so the snooping begins. It's not inconceivable to think that they may have rewarded people working at a certain hospital for information concerning specific appointments and visits. They probably knew all along, but - as they weren't in a position to disclose their sources they couldn't really "publish and be damned", could they? If your intel is unofficial, then you can't report it, so what you do is allude to it instead. This way, a journo stays on the legal side of the privacy laws - and newspapers don't get sued. just my 2¢
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Post by mrmarioanonym on Nov 20, 2021 12:34:43 GMT
He does have a certain look to him during that tour. I'm not sure if it is fear or fatigue, but something is off. I get the impression that he really had to work harder to be as energetic as on previous tours, but that could also be due to him reaching middle-age. i think your last 11 words sum it up (more or less) precisely. Additionally, almost 10 years of chemical abuse of his body; vodka, cigarettes and coke - make it harder to stay in A1 condition. I think any 40-yr-old (no matter how fit) would struggle to run around those catwalks and gantries for 1½hrs at a time without looking absolutely shagged-out - even more so after a decade of vodka, cigs & coke! All anyone knew about Freddie was that he was gay. The fact that the tabloids insinuated he had aids was meaningless. He was gay, ergo…aids. i agree with almost everything you've said, but I've singled out the above. why? The tabloids weren't jumping to any conclusion, I believe they "knew" pretty much for certain, that's why. In those days, paparazzi and journos would dig into undergrowth, hiding in bushes and cars - trying to get exclusive images of all celebs. Just stop and think how often grainy tele-lens Princess Di images appeared. Freddie may have been a private figure but his private life - the parties etc were widely reported from 79-86. Then, in 1988/9 he just drops off the face of the earth. The journo/paps sonar would've started to bleep like crazy. So, what do they do? They know where he lives (here and in Europe), so the snooping begins. It's not inconceivable to think that they may have rewarded people working at a certain hospital for information concerning specific appointments and visits.They probably knew all along, but - as they weren't in a position to disclose their sources they couldn't really "publish and be damned", could they? If your intel is unofficial, then you can't report it, so what you do is allude to it instead. This way, a journo stays on the legal side of the privacy laws - and newspapers don't get sued. just my 2¢ Wasn't this more or less proven at one point?
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Post by coolcat27 on Nov 20, 2021 12:59:55 GMT
I believe it did come out later that one of the awful Murdoch tabloids tapped Freddie's phone lines to get the information they were looking for. Pure class.
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Post by baronlutenvank on Nov 21, 2021 3:41:06 GMT
Awhile back, coolcat made an interesting thread asking when was the 1st time you noticed something was off about Freddie. With November 24 coming up, and this year being the 30th anniversary. I wanna ask those who were around that time: Where were you, or how did you hear about Freddie's death? Feel free to share your anecdotes here.
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Post by saintjiub on Nov 21, 2021 4:33:38 GMT
I found out watching the news on TV. Being in the US, I had no idea that Freddie was ill. The Show Must Go On was just a corny song to me.
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Post by rupertpupkin on Nov 21, 2021 6:57:38 GMT
At the French TV - it was announced early in the morning (we used to watch video-clips in the morning for the breakfast), I think it was a musical channel (M6 or was it TV6 (old M6). "Innuendo" came first, but the single which was played over and over was the "Show Must Go On". It took me years to appreciate "The Show Must Go On" (it's a superb song, but it's too hard) - When the album came up the lyrics were obviously a "chant du cygne" and a last goodbye. Like Bob Fosse great movie "All That Jazz". I think that Freddie (the video-clips were hard to watch because he looks really ill) was kind of inspired by the morality-style of Bob Fosse's "All That Jazz". since there is the "show must go on" mor(t)lity like in John Cassavetes's great ending of "The Chineese Bookie". "Innuendo" is such a great rock song- so much powerful vocals; and I like so much the Spanish guitar interlude- I think that they succeeded perfectly with this album (you can't tell it's "marked" 90's).
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Post by Lord Fickle on Nov 21, 2021 9:51:09 GMT
Read his announcement on BBC Teletext (CEEFAX) the night before, and went to bed with it on my mind, but I never thought I would wake up in the morning, literally to the news that he had passed, as it was on my radio alarm.
Having 'known' him since I was 10 years old, it really felt like a family member or a close friend had died. They played Queen songs on the radio all day long, which I don't think happened even for Lennon (I don't recall all that much about Elvis Presley's death), and obviously he was at the top of every news bulletin.
I was glad he made the announcement the night before, as it kind of ended the speculation, but it was still a huge shock to hear that he had passed away.
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Post by ActionThisDay on Nov 21, 2021 13:57:36 GMT
As Lord Fickle says the AIDS announcement came on the Saturday night (23rd Nov) and I genuinely expected Freddie to have a few months or maybe up to a year left. Freddie's death was announced late on the Sunday night when I was already in bed for school (I was 15)
So it was my mum who came into my room to deliver the bad news about 7.30am on the Monday morning. I was in shock then quite distraught, it genuinely felt like losing a friend or extended family member.
As I mentioned in the other thread, I still had to go into school that day. Everyone knew I was a massive Queen fan and I received taunts about Freddie all day and that he 'deserved it for being gay'.
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Post by ActionThisDay on Nov 21, 2021 15:50:05 GMT
He does have a certain look to him during that tour. I'm not sure if it is fear or fatigue, but something is off.
I get the impression that he really had to work harder to be as energetic as on previous tours, but that could also be due to him reaching middle-age.
I only noticed this recently but in Budapest Freddie is already knackered just five songs in (Tear It Up).
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Post by DasTarD on Nov 21, 2021 18:53:59 GMT
I arrived on school and my best friend told me that Freddie was death, then a girl from my class told me the same thing, I was 17 and couldn't believe it. All day I wanted to go home to check this on TV. But then when I got home, the news struck me. I was so sad :-(
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Post by scotttmax on Nov 22, 2021 0:30:20 GMT
As Lord Fickle says the AIDS announcement came on the Saturday night (23rd Nov) and I genuinely expected Freddie to have a few months or maybe up to a year left. Freddie's death was announced late on the Sunday night when I was already in bed for school (I was 15) So it was my mum who came into my room to deliver the bad news about 7.30am on the Monday morning. I was in shock then quite distraught, it genuinely felt like losing a friend or extended family member. As I mentioned in the other thread, I still had to go into school that day. Everyone knew I was a massive Queen fan and I received taunts about Freddie all day and that he 'deserved it for being gay'. This is pretty much a mirror image of my Monday morning after Freddie passed away…. Especially the piss taking at school. I think it was the first time I actually cried over someone dying
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Post by bennkempster on Nov 22, 2021 15:54:58 GMT
There was a picture of him in either Ibiza or Montreux (I think from 1987) where he was overweight and had a large blemish on his cheek - date and venue may be wrong but it was obvious from that point things weren't right and touring was out of the Question. Then the IWIA video and subsequent Miracle videos, then The Brits. There was no question then.
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Post by bennkempster on Nov 22, 2021 15:56:16 GMT
He does have a certain look to him during that tour. Cocaine & vodka.
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Post by Raf on Nov 22, 2021 16:37:29 GMT
He does have a certain look to him during that tour. I'm not sure if it is fear or fatigue, but something is off.
I get the impression that he really had to work harder to be as energetic as on previous tours, but that could also be due to him reaching middle-age.
I only noticed this recently but in Budapest Freddie is already knackered just five songs in (Tear It Up). I guess nobody would believe he felt ill or had been diagnosed with anything in the Works era, but he was very inconstant during the Works tour. He does look chubby and sounds struggling on many songs in Rio and Tokyo 85. Let's not forget by this time he had a visible bald spot behind his head. It's probably fair to assume he was a middle-aged man who spent the past 10 years abusing his own body with partying and drugs and all the abuse combined with his age had finally begun to catch up with him. In a hypothetical parallel universe where Freddie doesn't get infected with HIV, he'd either have to get his shit together and start working out and dieting, like Mick Jagger and Paul McCartney, or his voice and his performances would most likely get worse over time, like Lemmy, Roger Waters, Robert Plant and Ozzy.
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Post by coolcat27 on Nov 23, 2021 17:44:32 GMT
I feel like I should know this but this is one of those topics that is all over the place (especially in the movie's most ludicrous scene).
Do we actually know when Freddie told the band he was ill?
Maybe in 1988 or so?
I believe they went out to dinner somewhere at a fancy restaurant. Maybe in Montreux?
I've heard the story a million times but it always seems a bit unclear on what year it actually took place.
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Post by emrabt on Nov 23, 2021 20:11:39 GMT
Peter Freestone said in the "Inside the Mind" special on Netflix it was during the Miracle sessions. So 88 or 89.
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Post by pg on Nov 23, 2021 20:24:05 GMT
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Post by scandal on Nov 23, 2021 20:31:23 GMT
I believe, that in all likelihood, it was after Miracle and prior to Innuendo. I think that during Queen for an hour interview the band still didn't know, as it's evident from the dynamics of the argument when the point of touring arose. Bearing in mind that Freddie wanted to keep things as usual for him for as long as possible, it's logical to assume that he tried to delay breaking the news to the very latest. As he did with the general public.
Jim Beach was managing Queen and him as a part of the band, I think he confided to him earlier so he would understand the graveness of the situation and wouldn't try to negotiate for some kind of a lucrative deal for a tour or for him to be aware that some kind of emergency could happen and he needs to be on guard. Also, perhaps he could help with some agreements on covert traveling or medical assistance while he was abroad. It's hard for me as an outsider to tell what his exact responsibilities within the band were.
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Post by ActionThisDay on Nov 23, 2021 20:57:23 GMT
The band knew by the Miracle sessions at the latest. At one point they didn't even think Freddie would be around to see it released. That's why they changed the album title from The Invisible Men as it was a 'miracle' that he was still around.
Personally I think Freddie told them early in 1988 and he may have been aware that the Magic tour would be his last.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Nov 23, 2021 21:25:34 GMT
The band knew by the Miracle sessions at the latest. At one point they didn't even think Freddie would be around to see it released. That's why they changed the album title from The Invisible Men as it was a 'miracle' that he was still around. I don't remember ever hearing that before about the album title.
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Post by rub3945 on Nov 24, 2021 0:56:39 GMT
Can't remember what the occasion was (someone on here will know), but it was around early to mid 1989 where Roger mentioned in a radio interview that the band had plans of doing something special in front of a live audience upon the release of The Miracle. I can't seem to find the clip on YouTube 🤷♂️ (anyone else remember?) but there's surely no way Roger would've mentioned this if he knew of Freddie's health. My guess is that Freddie would've had to tell the band shortly after this interview took place (or not long after the Queen For An Hour interview, whichever took place the latest).
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Post by angusscrimm on Nov 24, 2021 2:18:07 GMT
Wow, 30 years - and it still hurts, big time. I'm actually crying, and I can't be the only one affected by today.
I can only hope that the man - the legend - is making some awesome music, wherever he is. Freddie, we still love you!
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Post by georg on Nov 24, 2021 5:15:57 GMT
Can't remember what the occasion was (someone on here will know), but it was around early to mid 1989 where Roger mentioned in a radio interview that the band had plans of doing something special in front of a live audience upon the release of The Miracle. I can't seem to find the clip on YouTube 🤷♂️ (anyone else remember?) but there's surely no way Roger would've mentioned this if he knew of Freddie's health. My guess is that Freddie would've had to tell the band shortly after this interview took place (or not long after the Queen For An Hour interview, whichever took place the latest). Eh, Brian and Roger were still talking about maybe touring America in 1992 when they were on Rockline promoting Innuendo, and they definitely knew by then that Freddie didn’t have much longer, so it all could have been smoke and mirrors to give off the impression that all was well.
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Post by Dimitris on Nov 24, 2021 5:53:43 GMT
They might informed during the sessions of The Miracle. Was all worth it was the last track on the album, a hinted goodbye.
I suppose, if Freddie had died during the end of 1989 or early 1990, Queen had to deliver one album in order to fulfill their contract.
Another Miracle was the supposed title, probably it would had apart from remixes, Too much love will kill you, All God's people (were already recorded and not included in the miracle), maybe Delilah, Bijou, Don't try so hard and Innuendo (only bolero parts) these songs were recorded in 1989.
About performing live, their dutch concert promoter offered them one off gig in a stadium.
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Post by jlf on Nov 24, 2021 5:54:25 GMT
It's hard to believe that it's 30 years. I'm not sure if 30 years should be any more significant than it being 21, 28, or 31 years ago, but it does give us a moment to pause and reflect on Freddie.
Let's remember a wonderful singer, an incredible song writer, an extraordinary musician and an electrifying performer. For those who knew him personally, it's hard to know what they'll be feeling today. I'm sure they'll shed a tear along with the rest of us and I'm also sure they'll remember the happy memories.
Thank you Freddie for all you left us, we still love you.
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Post by Steve on Nov 24, 2021 6:47:51 GMT
Wow, where does the time go. 30 years.
Freddie, thank you for some amazing memories.
Hope they are looking after you up there mate!
Have a beer for me.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Nov 24, 2021 7:51:58 GMT
hi folks, I know people want to discuss this anniversary, but there were FOUR threads. Now some might think that each dealt with a different aspect of Freddie's Passing. But, naturally each has/will cross over into other territory.
I've therefore, merged all FOUR threads and retitled this one.
Any similar threads created after this point WILL be deleted.
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Post by highlander on Nov 24, 2021 9:07:00 GMT
I wasn't born yet in 1991 but my mom told me that she saw a picture of Freddie in the newspaper or in television when he was photographed on his way to the biopsy with the Mercedes car in the background. She though he doesn't look much healthy anymore.
It's 40 years since the Montreal concert today!
It must have been sad for Queen fans back im the day who wanted to see him live but either became a fan too late or couldn't make it to a concert previously.
Freddie will be known as the greatest singer with the most powerful voice. He and Queen (71-91) reinvented but without becoming distant of themselves.
May you have made peace with our creator and rest in peace dear Mr. Bulsara.
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